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No problem, at all, man.

I don't understand the loathing of Palin....as it seems silly and misdirected.

That said, I see the frustration that some have with how things went down. I think some were hoping for a quick hitter that could tangle intellect(knowledge) and wit with the best of them (them...being the media and other politicians). She was new to the game and fell short....and some might say she fell TOO short for what the party needed in 2008.





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Skippy, Skippy, I kinda like that moniker for the Majestic One. Who came up with that name in an early post in this thread? I like it. He gives a couple of skips before he goes into full shuffle. Skippy the Majestic, His Excellence. Amazed myself again...

And to Jeff O, you my fellow campfire member,,,you are a TROLL.

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Jeff O is far from a troll.

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Originally Posted by Scorpion
Jeff O is far from a troll.


You're right. That's not fair to trolls.


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The president [whoever] isn't elected, he's appointed. Your vote doesn't count. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVlZTWH7u8w


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Where's Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth when the country needs them? smirk

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Originally Posted by rrroae
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Obama voters are "CLUELESS IDIOTS" IMHO



Yep.

But what are Republican supporters who blindly vote for the GOP even as they get exponentially more liberal every year?


Agreed.

Party line followers, who march lockstep to whatever their () party decrees, are dangerous to the continuity of this nation.

That said, any gun-owning, hunting, fishing, working-for-a-living American who voted for Obama is truly moronic.




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Lot of theory here - let me give a real and hard example of the impact of Obama's election.

My partner and I have spent over $250,000 in getting a new business idea ready to launch. It would conservatively create 300-500 jobs in the next 2 years. We would invest over $10,000,000 in America made goods and services.

We have scrapped the project � why you ask? Higher taxes is the simple answer. Why should I risk $10,000,000 only to have 60+% of the profits go to taxes. Simply not worth the business risk for that low of a return. I can keep the cpaital and invest it in tax free munis with no risk.

Now when someone tells you that change was needed � tell them the real cost of that change.

Obama and his polices represent the greatest threat to America in since Roosevelt and his socialist policies.



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Why in the heck would anyone with an ounce of decency or morality or intelligence or common sense vote for the liar b-ho and his pack of tax evading, law breaking, baby killing, gun grabbing, elitist Richard F. N. Craniums?

There's no excuse for stupidity. It was all out there before the election for anyone to see, unless you were blinded by all of the BS that was spread. Then again, it's safe to say that most of the b-ho supporters don't fall into the literate category anyway. MI VHNTR


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The R party changed with the loss of 2 key leaders...Gingrich and Tom 'The Hammer' DeLay. They were conservative and gifted in making their case. RINO's (with W at the helm) became the power brokers. At least W stood on conservative principles with his Supreme picks.

The drifting away from conservatism has allowed Specter, Collins and Snowe to capture the spotlight....such as it is.

Let's not forget McCain in this thriller. From 2000 to 2008 he was a PITA.....


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Jeff,

I knew you voted for Obama but I was willing to chalk it up to a lost soul in the Northwest.

Now that I see your explanation of why and that you still, as of right now, endorse your decision, it greatly disappoints me.

I cannot understand how you make so many posts on this site regarding stupid ballistic gack and about how much you like to shoot yet then so hypocritically vote for someone so unabashedly who would take this away from you in an instant.

Take care...

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Originally Posted by Jeff_O
I voted for Obama. No, I'm not "a liberal". He was the better of the two tickets and not by a little.

If you are a social conservative or single issue voter (guns, abortion, etc), then you will disagree with me, perhaps violently <g>. I'm not a single-issue voter. I voted for who I thought was the better candidate for the times, overall. McCain is a good man but he's old, rigid if not calicified mentally, and didn't give the impression that he even wanted to win- especially at the end there. His decision making is suspect, as witnessed by choosing Palin for... for... uh... her gender and rabid social conservatism, maybe? Maybe? Not much else there.

Obama is doing fine so far, not that there's much "good" to be done. He's interfacing with Congress, listening, and trying to project calm (which McCain was TERRIBLE at). Let's face it- he's [bleep] just like McCain would have been. The economy is a MESS and it's not his doing, and there's no magic wand to wave to fix it. Let us not forget who our fearless leader was for the 8 years prior, and who gave away a trillion dollars to THE WRONG PEOPLE (if there even are "right people" for such stupidity) on his way out the door.

You want to tell me that Republicans are fiscal conservatives, warn me first so I don't blow beer out my nose, OK?

If McCain had won, we'd be going down the same path we are going down now- right? Can we all admit that? We'd all be complaining about the stupid McCain economic stimulus package. he'd be drawing down the war in Iraq over the next 4 years. The rhetoric might be different, but the results would be more or less the same.

As to Obama partying in college... give me a BREAK... who DIDN'T!? George W. Bush snorted coke, smoked pot, and drank like a fish... yet we all voted for HIM.

I know posting this won't endear me to some of you. Oh well. Hopefully you'll at least have some respect for the fact that I ain't gonna lie to you or pretend to be something I'm not. I'm a hippie redneck <g>, live out in the woods, got my guns and trucks and chain saws, but I also got my guitars, mountain bikes, and skiis...damned if I will close my mind and just swallow what the RNC or DNC is putting out. I'll use my own head and decide on the candidates on a case-by-case basis.

Respectfully,

-jeff




I REALLY feel sorry for you. You were caught up in his eloquent speech, his hollow promises, and his perfect manners. It is humanly impossible for him to keep his campaign promises. Anybody in his right mind could see through him. His election was won because he brought people out to vote that had never voted before AND will never vote again. You sir are the reason I constantly look at people and figure how stupid some of them are. There are plenty right here on the campfire that voted Democrap and won't admit it. The fact that you did only confirms your stupidity to me.


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Actually Republican congressmen and Senators holding the line with only 3 turncoats that Obama, Reid and the media can use to claim a "Bi-Partisan" agreement, is what allowed those three to capture the spotlight.

It's actually an example of the GOP being MORE conservative since you only have 3 out of 219 Republicans siding with a liberal spending package.


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Originally Posted by Ken Howell
"I won," he says, as if the majority of the electorate endorsed his policies.

How many of those who voted for him voted for his policies?

Not many, I betcha.



How often does anybody ever vote for a presidential candidate's policies?

Did you vote for somebody else's policies?

"Policies" rarely mean anything--they change with the changing events--or they change with whatever is convenient for the current set of politicians out there these days......

I mean, if one is conservative, and paid attention to a presidential candidate's consistent set of policies while in office, then Ron Paul would be president right now........ wink

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Originally Posted by rrroae


Hell, I can't tell the difference between any of them anymore.




Then you need to get your eyes checked, bro.


here's a hint....why don't you compare Obama's first nominee to the Supreme Court to Roberts and Alito? Or Eric Holder to Ashcroft on gun control...or any other issue for that matter.

Do you think any Republican would be pushing a "stimulus bill" with a four billion dollar payoff to ACORN for their fraudulent assistance in the last election?

The list goes on and on.....people who say elections don't matter deserve what they get.


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Originally Posted by Foxbat
Actually Republican congressmen and Senators holding the line with only 3 turncoats that Obama, Reid and the media can use to claim a "Bi-Partisan" agreement, is what allowed those three to capture the spotlight.

It's actually an example of the GOP being MORE conservative since you only have 3 out of 219 Republicans siding with a liberal spending package.


Yep. To bad we couldn't govern as conservatives when we owned all three branches of government....let's not forget 9/11 and the spending necessary to protect the country. The only moderates that can be counted on are dims, you know they'll vote the party line. You never hear the term DINO's.


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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
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Hell, I can't tell the difference between any of them anymore.




Then you need to get your eyes checked, bro.


here's a hint....why don't you compare Obama's first nominee to the Supreme Court to Roberts and Alito? Or Eric Holder to Ashcroft on gun control...or any other issue for that matter.

Do you think any Republican would be pushing a "stimulus bill" with a four billion dollar payoff to ACORN for their fraudulent assistance in the last election?

The list goes on and on.....people who say elections don't matter deserve what they get.


My color perception is just fine--I can see the difference between the "D" and the "R" --and that's about the only diff......

I'm glad the R's have miracously and suddenly discovered fiscal conservatism--but where were they in October when the Wall Street/CEO Bonus bailout was voted?......let me give you a hint; They were voting in lockstep with their R president.

Now that a D pres is carrying the water, it is miracously and suddenly different?

I mean, at least there is a debate over the Main Street bailout.

But color me suspicous--there seems to be a awful lot of Republicans in the Congress/Senate who were there during 2000-2006 when the deficit went from 1 trillion to 7-8 trillion--a feat that has not been proportionaly matched since, well, WWII--not the Great Society, and certainly not during Clinton's term.

If Ronald Reagan was currently the president, and he had a D after his name, I get the feeling we would be hearing the same rhetoric about him from the Neo-Cons......

The R's have become a one issue party--lower taxes. OK, they have become a one and a half issue party, we'll throw in USSC nominees.......

You know, the minority always bank on the courts to keep them in the game--kind'a like the tree huggers did on environmental issues during RR's and Bush Sr three terms.......


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Originally Posted by Stan V
You never hear the term DINO's.


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Give 'em time.......


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I wonder just how far and how bad it will have to get before some of you can see a difference?

If some of you can't see a difference between McCain and Obama, you just don't want to see it because you're too angry and your high blood pressure is impairing your vision. smile.







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