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No, we are in the 10th. Boy will this piss off a lot of the lib's in Chicago.  Les
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That it comes from the 9th, unanimously on this point, is telling.
If by "telling" you mean "simply F-ing astonishing", I agree. 
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isn't it funny how liberal conventional wisdom a couple of years ago was that only quacks believed in an individual right under the second amendment, and the media dutifully parroted that view as something all normal people should know and believe.
and now we get language like this from the most liberal circuit in the country.....simply amazing, and further evidence for the "elections don't matter, they're all the same" crowd to pull your heads out of your collective asses.
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No, we are in the 10th. Boy will this piss off a lot of the lib's in Chicago. Les Chicago,.....? Pelosi's gonna' chit a green ,........... .......................................Pelosi ? GTC
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Feinstien's gonna cop a coniption fit.
GTC
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Boxer's gonna' have a Pelosi Hehmorage.
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I'm not going to comment about Fat T.K.
......but you know ,...this COULD induce "The Big One"
GTC
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That pesky 'Heller' deal strikes again.
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We need to make this decision nationally known. An excellent ruling!
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Boxer's gonna' have a Pelosi Hehmorage.
GTC Do you mean "Pelosi Hehmorage" or "Pelosi Hemroid"?
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From the 9th! Will wonders never cease!
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The new Nordyke is a strong opinion, even though it allows restriction on gun shows on public property under the "reasonable regulation' rule. A defendant who pleads an exception to the 2d Amendment has the burden of showing that the statue or ordinance restricting gun fights is reasonable under the circumstances. The far left loonies had really hoped to restrict Heller to federal cases, whch would have made it of significant, but limited, utility as only the US government would be bound by the 2d Amendement. The NRA and other 2d Amendment protectors geared up on this one, got good lawyers in place, and made frontal assaults in CA and other places. This case will make it very hard for IL, DE, NY, MA and other such havens to continue to deny citizens their 2d amendment rights. I have belonged to the NRA for 34 years and now am an Endowment Member. If you do not belong, look them up on the web, https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp, and become at least an annual member. This is especially important with the current administration. Remember that treaties, which are ratified by the US Senate, take precedence over federal and state statutes (although not over the Constitution). A firearms import-export treaty with Mexico could seriously affect our 2d Amendment rights. Get up and join the NRA now (unless you are a member)!
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Steve, I'm a little rusty on this. Would you do me the favor of explaining the meaning of "incorporation" in this case?
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Essentially, and in very simple terms, the states incorporated the mandates of Heller to state application rather than a sole Federal application.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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The new Nordyke is a strong opinion, even though it allows restriction on gun shows on public property under the "reasonable regulation' rule. A defendant who pleads an exception to the 2d Amendment has the burden of showing that the statue or ordinance restricting gun fights is reasonable under the circumstances. The far left loonies had really hoped to restrict Heller to federal cases, whch would have made it of significant, but limited, utility as only the US government would be bound by the 2d Amendement. The NRA and other 2d Amendment protectors geared up on this one, got good lawyers in place, and made frontal assaults in CA and other places. This case will make it very hard for IL, DE, NY, MA and other such havens to continue to deny citizens their 2d amendment rights. I have belonged to the NRA for 34 years and now am an Endowment Member. If you do not belong, look them up on the web, https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp, and become at least an annual member. This is especially important with the current administration. Remember that treaties, which are ratified by the US Senate, take precedence over federal and state statutes (although not over the Constitution). A firearms import-export treaty with Mexico could seriously affect our 2d Amendment rights. Get up and join the NRA now (unless you are a member)! "A firearms import-export treaty with Mexico could seriously affect our 2d Amendment rights." I find this to be pretty typical of an NRA within whose "Leadership" we can still find one Juaquin Jackson. This , from a fellow lifer who signs up many a new member,...and pretty regularly. I find the excerpt from your post above typical in it's "soft pedal" approach. Try this, "A firearms import-export treaty with Mexico could seriously affect the longevity of the "Globalists" purveying same" The Second Amendment has NEVER been stronger, and all that ammo that we can't find on shelves did NOT get shipped to Mexico. Bout time folks quit acting "Spooked",.....and Fear Mongering was abandoned as a recruitment tactic. One Lifer to another,..... GTC
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Essentially, and in very simple terms, the states incorporated the mandates of Heller to state application rather than a sole Federal application. Got it. Thanks, Isaac.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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A defendant who pleads an exception to the 2d Amendment has the burden of showing that the statue or ordinance restricting gun fights is reasonable under the circumstances.
Dammit, I thought this meant they could no longer restrict gun fights!
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It takes $250K or more to take a case as far as this one has gone and the NRA and a few other good organizations are making it possible. Did you help make this decision possible?
I am very familiar with the Obama administration's lies about the % of guns used in crime in Mexico that actually are smugggled in from the US. Also, I try cases in towns along the Texas--Mexico border and am all too knowledgable about how dangerous the border area is and how the present administration might use this danger as an excuse to sabotage the 2d Amendment via a treaty with Mexico.
Making threats only marks you as someone who talks loud but does not help shoulder the burden. Others will protect the 2d Amendment while you rant.
You are now on my "ignore" list.
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Wonder if this will even hit Holder and Emanuel's radar... Not that they will give up, they'll try something along the lines of banning specific features, or taxing/registering ammunition, etc. Going to slow them down a bunch, though.
Thanks for the heads up on this, didn't even know it was in court!
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For a new guy, you best learn the ropes before you decide to go cowboy. Crossfire is a fine member of this forum and you won't have many disagreements with him at all in re: this issue.
Slow down a bit and learn the players or it will come back and bite you in the ass.
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