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Mattias - I did not say we did not depend on others just taht in a lot of cases they need us more than we need them.
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Mattias - I did not say we did not depend on others just taht in a lot of cases they need us more than we need them. It was a general comment, not directed at you specifically. But I'll have to disagree with your notion that "they need us more than we need them". If you are speaking of European nations, you are dead wrong. A very common misconception. Heard of steel tariffs lately? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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That would be 1 part of the economy - if they don't need us at all why is it they are crying about th e economy impact of us pulling our military out of europe?
Just a question - what would happen if we cut off ALL foreign aid to every country that currenty recievs money from us?
How many countries' economies would be left standing in 5 years? Ours would be hust no doubt as those countries would be forced to tax and tarrif heavily anything going in or out of their countries but I would say that it would be alot wors for them than, relativly speaking for us - all that money spent on aid would have to be used to soften the hit our economy would take from the retribution from us pulling our aid.
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Personaly I think we should be gatting a better return on our investment so to speak. We give you a ton of cash- which you don't pay back - I just feel like we should be getting a little more in return thats all. Like all those African countries - Diamons cost way too much - It too expensive for me to mess up with the wife - jewlery is draining the account !! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> (thats a joke BTW)
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That would be 1 part of the economy - if they don't need us at all why is it they are crying about th e economy impact of us pulling our military out of europe?
They're not.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> As to the rest of your posts, it depends on what countries you are talking about. I assume we're still talking about Europe? Europe imports a lot more american goods than America imports european goods. Foreign "Aid" to Europe, especially western europe, is virtually non-existant. Europe does a lot of trading with newly opening markets in the Former soviet bloc, as well as Asia. I am telling ya, they don't need us near as bad as we need them....
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Yes they are complaining per my friends returning from Germany and now Sout Korea is complaining that they are gonna lose so much money by the American forces moving south - away from the DMZ.
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It doesn't seem to be widespread complaining, as I try following particularly German media, and more often than not, the response towards withdrawal of US troops is positive.
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You don't even have to stray out of our sphere of "influence". Just listen to the 'Ricans over the closure of Roosevelt Roads! They cut their own noses off to spite their face!
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BTW, don't kid yourself into thinking that military bases in Europe account for more than a miniscule fraction of their economies.
As for loans to Africa...well, like I said elsewhere, foreign aid should stop altogether (Not trade!)
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Mathias you an I are never gonna agree on a lot of things so I am gonn let things lie - not a flame,complaint ect.
The things I know - I know cuz I talk to the people on the ground and I read the intell reports (Iraq - that conversation will go round and round for the next 50 years much like I am sure the Civil war did in general stres across the country)
I am just gonna back away and let others play - so to speak - In all honesty all of these conversations are really draining. I'll stick to T-lee's jokes, hunting and pistols (as they have captured my imagination lately).
Oh sure as I see things that really strike me I'll pop in but I really do not have the energy anymore - need to save it for the fight that will surely come if that jerk Kerry gets in. Then it will be an all out brawl as I will ahve to fight to keep the little bit I do make in my pocket, my guns and way of life.
I have no ill feelings personaly against anyone who does not agree with me just don't agree thats all - thats how this country got here - we just didn't agree with England!
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T- I have a ton of friend that are here instead of PR - some of them have PR wives and their families are HOWLIN bout the lose of the range - now want us just to give them the $ we spent there to subsidise them but not use the range.
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Mathias you an I are never gonna agree on a lot of things so I am gonn let things lie - not a flame,complaint ect.
The things I know - I know cuz I talk to the people on the ground and I read the intell reports (Iraq - that conversation will go round and round for the next 50 years much like I am sure the Civil war did in general stres across the country)
I am just gonna back away and let others play - so to speak - In all honesty all of these conversations are really draining. I'll stick to T-lee's jokes, hunting and pistols (as they have captured my imagination lately).
Oh sure as I see things that really strike me I'll pop in but I really do not have the energy anymore - need to save it for the fight that will surely come if that jerk Kerry gets in. Then it will be an all out brawl as I will ahve to fight to keep the little bit I do make in my pocket, my guns and way of life.
I have no ill feelings personaly against anyone who does not agree with me just don't agree thats all - thats how this country got here - we just didn't agree with England! . WOW!! 100% in agreement with you, Sir. In fact, you sound so much like me there, it's scary. I used to argue this type of stuff endlessly here, now I get tired.... Please also keep in mind that at least for me, these discussion are "intellectual fun". I do not hold grudges, and would probably have beers with just about anyone I've ever argued with on a forum, including you.
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Well if you are buyin...... I am pretty sure you could next day air a cooler full of beer? Do not believe that falls under hazmat..
See that is one of the great thigs about this place - aside from some trolls most everybody would be beer/shootin budies aside from the differences.
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Thumbs up sir! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Don't even think of sendin that cooler COD- I sent a guitar amp back - was like 120 for shipping from TX to St Louis IIRC !!
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I don't shoot beers, I DRINK em! I will shoot bears though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Drinkin them is the best way to get cans for plinking - just not at the same session tho!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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All this talk about beer is making me thirsty, time for a Killians red.
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Gonna grab an Amber Bock or three myself, all this has made me thirsty!
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