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If you are like me and believe that the Republican Party can never recover, or even wants to recover, would you consider switching to the Libertarian Party? I like a lot of their positions.

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no, and fragmenting the conservative vote is the only thing that would let the socialists stay in power


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I agree with you Steve in principle but what is really left of the Republican Party to re-build? Really?

I do believe that over the course of history "Conservative" politics has meant many different things so I'm not truly sure that one could perfectly describe it.


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I was discussing this very thing ealier today with an old friend before I started sampling Woodford Reserve and Makers Mark. Don't remember now where I left it.


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Gay marriage, legalizing drugs, pro abortion (protect the 'right' of the mother to take the life of her child), free immigration. No way in hell. As the book of Judges says "Every man did what was right in his own eyes". They had no rules and God hammered them for it.


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I was a member of the Libertarian Party even came close to be the state chair.

The Libertarian Party is NOT conservative. If one looks up the word 'conservative' one would see that to be conservative is to take a caution approach to changes, slow and study, maintain the status quo when and where possible.

There are no conservatives, just radicals and extremists in both the Democrat, Republican, and Libertarian Parties.

So in answer to your question, NO.


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Humm, interesting.


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The libertarians would stand a better chance if they did not always run crazy people as their candidate.

I like the idea of reorganizing the GOP better though. Get the RINOs out of there, and go with a fresh, conservative face.


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"If you are like me and believe that the Republican Party can never recover, or even wants to recover,"

That's exactly what the Obamacrats would like you to believe!

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when a party can't articulate what it stands for, and/or has laughably failed to deliver on what it supposedly stands for when they were in power, it's time to re-tool.

The strength of the Republican party is the socially conservative element, but it's also it's biggest liability. Since the R's have blown the whole "fiscally conservative" thing (see "laughable", above), they are hard to take seriously as far as that part of the supposed governing philosophy. . Most of us don't want what amounts to an American Taliban, which is what a hardcore socially conservative party would be, so what's left?

It's a conundrum.

I have Libertarian leanings, but it sure smacks of a wasted vote.

The Republicans BETTER field a legit ticket in 3 years. I can't vote Obama again, and I'd sure prefer to vote FOR someone, not just against...


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Jeff, you have hit the crux of it.

Look at the Republican party's record:

Smaller government? Nope.
Fiscally conservative? LOL
Upholding the Constitution and the rule of law? Don;t make me laugh.

Both parties are now all about increasing their power and turning citizens into subjects.

Unfortunately, the two major parties control who appears in debates and on ballots in much of the country. The deck is stacked to maintain the status quo.

Certainly the Libertarian party runs the occasional nut job, but at least it pays lip service to the Constitution, the enumerated powers, and letting individuals run their own life.


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I voted for Harry Browne and Michael Badnarik, and I might have voted for Wayne Allyn Root if he had been at the top of the ticket instead of underneath Bob Barr (?!); but I don't think the Libertarian Party will replace the Republican Party.

I think the Republican Party is dead, sure enough, and deservedly so; but the Libertarian Party has some pretty severe issues that have little to do with platform positions. I don't think it is capable of making the transition to being a major party without such a massive overhaul that it'd no longer be recognizable.

No, I think the next few elections are going to be the Democrats' to lose, as the hyenas fight over the corpse of the Republican Party. Of course, that assumes that Obama doesn't kill the Democrat Party the way Baby Bush killed the Republican Party--and he may very well end up doing just that, and surprisingly soon.

It'll be interesting if both the major parties fragment into several factions, none of which is capable of attracting more than 20% of the vote or so...


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I'm pretty much with Jeff O. Except the "can't vote Obama again" part.

I didn't vote for him last time but at the rate he's going I may the next. It'll be out of pity if I do. I'm expecting him to be shown for the disgrace that he is by then and I'll be the only one in hundreds of miles. Maybe thousands.

The repubs should be able to prop up any body on stage, even McCain's again, and walk away with a landslide.

I can always hope, can't I?


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Originally Posted by Jeff_O
when a party can't articulate what it stands for, and/or has laughably failed to deliver on what it supposedly stands for when they were in power, it's time to re-tool.

The strength of the Republican party is the socially conservative element, but it's also it's biggest liability. Since the R's have blown the whole "fiscally conservative" thing (see "laughable", above), they are hard to take seriously as far as that part of the supposed governing philosophy. . Most of us don't want what amounts to an American Taliban, which is what a hardcore socially conservative party would be, so what's left?

It's a conundrum.

I have Libertarian leanings, but it sure smacks of a wasted vote.

The Republicans BETTER field a legit ticket in 3 years. I can't vote Obama again, and I'd sure prefer to vote FOR someone, not just against...



Well said and I'm in total agreement(of course without the Obama part).

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The Constitution Party sounds like a better ideological alternative, but they are even more of a long shot than the Libertarians.


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with the way the map of red and blue breaks out, the DIXIECRATS should make a come back!!!!!

The States' Rights Democratic Party (commonly known as the Dixiecrats) was a segregationist, socially conservative political party in the United States. The term Dixiecrat is a portmanteau of Dixie, referring to the Southern United States, and Democrat, referring to the United States Democratic Party. It split with the Democratic Party in the mid-20th century determined to protect what they saw as the Southern way of life against an oppressive federal government.

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It would be interesting to see the dims and gop split into half a dozen or so parties. They might not get anything done that way and we'd all be better off.

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