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Dear Campfire:
I'd like to ask you guys a question. Recently it has come to RIFLE magazine's attention that some readers are offended by my use of the term "rifle loony," because it means they're crazy--and the anti-gunners around the world might notice.
In a recent, published letter I tried to explain that I use the term "loony" not as short for lunatic, but affectionately and with tongue in cheek, as term for all of us excessively rifled folks.
Some people still didn't buy this. One suggested I follow the lead of the car mags and call us rifle "enthusiasts" or "devotees." The first sounds a little wimpy to me, and the second, unfortunately, has French roots, which also might offend many people these days.
Now, I am a gentle soul, and don't want to offend anybody (at least anybody who doesn't deserve it). Eileen and I paged through both the BIG Webster's and the thesaurus the other evening, and came up with a list of alternatives. Please let me know if any strike your fancy, or if loony suits you to a T:
addict
adherent
adorer
aficionado (a good word but Jack O'Connor has prior rights)
booster
connoisseur (French too)
crank
fanatic (where we also got the word "fan")
fancier
frequenter
glutton
habitue (unfortunately another Frenchie)
idolator
partisan
reverer
sucker
venerator
votary ("a person who is devoted to some object or pursuit")
worshipper
zealot (this actually means a person with a lot of zeal)
"Rifle votary" might hit the nail on the head, meaningwise, but just doesn't have any sort of ring to it.
We also came up with a couple for gun writers. "Boffin" is a scientist or technical expert. I have some science in my educational background, but have never considered myself a technical expert, so much prefer "rhapsodist," somebody who writes with "an ecstatic expression of feeling or enthusiasm."
That's what I want to be when I grow up, a rifle rhapsodist.
Thanks,
JB
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Any word you choose can be taken out of context, and will be by those presupposed to do so, for use to their advantage.
I say maintain YOUR writing style with which YOU are comfortable. Works for me.
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None of the terms listed strike me as particularly appropriate. The descriptor should convey the almost (well......) cultist devotion to the instrument that the true believer feels.
Maybe it is too wordy, but "member of the cult of the rifle" does have a better ring to it than the thesaurus entries listed, IMO. Dutch.
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I�m glad this topic came up, because I too have been offended.
So it�s �Mule Deer�, huh? What, whitetails ain�t good enough for ya? We don�t have mule deer in Minnesota so are you trying to embarrass me?
And what�s up with this �Big Stick� fella � is he trying to make all the �Little Sticks� feel inadequate?
�Charlie Sisk� is another one � some of us are too limp to use our real names lest some Internet boogieman steal our lunch money. Charlie makes me feel wimpy�and bad.
�Rifle Loony� is the worst. Just think what the soccer moms at the next PTA meeting would think of me. I would probably have to eat my piece of cake all alone in the corner of the gym. I would be an outcast�a social leper. I�ve seen Ms. Hilda Johnson-Olsen rip name badges in half for less offenses and it isn�t pretty.
I have to cut this short because it�s almost time for my daily affirmation, but allow me leave you with this suggestion:
�Primer Utilizing Shooting Sport Yahoo�
It�s trendy, PC, Internet-friendly, and most of all has a fitting acronym for all the complainers out there.
Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.
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I like "loony", it fits our culture, Its Campfire lingo for the folks who use and abuse their tools.
The folks who complained are just a very few PC idiots from New York City, dudes who pay 10g for somebody to saddle their horse for them on a hunt. These same people wouldnt know a horses butt from an elks.
I'm a loony and proud of it.
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I don't know about the rest of the shooting world, but "loony" applies to me. I must be a little nuts to spend as much as I do on firearms.
My only hold on sanity is that I spend more on my dogs.----------------------------Maybe I'd better reconsider my mental status-----------Oh well, I'm happy with it anyway.
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I'll stick with Loony. It sure describes me appropriately.
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John, if someone can't see it's an affectionate, tongue-in-cheek label then nothing will be adequate unless it's dumbed-down to the point where the original point is lost! We've got a lot of up-tight, humorless paranoid's in our rank's I'm afraid... don't change anything.
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The folks who complained are just a very few PC idiots from New York City Why is it that everyone who's a "PC idiot" is from NYC? Frankly, all a guy's got to do is go in a local gunshop anywhere in America to realize why we're called "Gun Crank's"... this has nothing to do with being PC, it's humorless paranoid's...
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Rifle Loony never bothered me. The Anti's are always going to find something to try to exploit, so if we get rid of "Loony", they will just find something else to try to grab hold of.
I'm also not offended by the fact that I still enjoy an occasional Loony Tunes cartoon.
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Brad, your not uptight now are you? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Okay, not pc, but hp? There all the same to me.
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MD, I just read the letter you are referring to and I think this fellow is just a bit too uptight on gun issues or maybe just generally unhappy with life (Not to disparage anyone from the Northeast or CT in general I know if I was stuck in Southbury, CT I would be a rather unhappy and grumpy fellow <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />). I think in the greater scheme of things terms like "rifle loony" will make little difference to the anti-gun crowd. They are already convinced guns and gun owners are evil. Changing or restricting the use of Rifle Loony would just allow this bunch to claim an unearned and illegitimate victory. I know I'm personally extremely proud to be a card carrying, certified RIfle Loony of the first order <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Keep up the great writing and urge the editors or other powers that be at Wolfe Publishing to not crumble in the face of criticism, HBB
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I'm not offended by the term "loony". I'm offended by the attitude represented by the offended party.
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Do you think they'd like "rifle slut" any better? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Seriously, I have no problem with "rifle loony" though I have recently paid to renew the name www.riflecrank.com, and therefore have a certain affinity toward its usage in print. Rifle crank. Yeah babeee! Rick
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Though I think you should stick to your guns <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> and stay with loony, I do like the sound of rifle glutton! Hey, I'm fat and it fits better.
Would always putting loony in quotes lend it to being percieved as a term of endearment?
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MD, You could change your signature to "Col. Loony", or John "Loony" Barsness. Maybe the "up-tights" among us would get it then. I wonder if there is a correlation between growing up watching Loony Tunes and being a Rifle Loony? It worked for me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Heck, we've been "gun nuts" for years, I thought "rifle loony" was a classy step up!
Loony! Loony! Loony!
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery.
Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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Brad, your not uptight now are you? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Okay, not pc, but hp? There all the same to me. Ok, you got me LOL! Though a Westerner by birth I had to endure being raised in New England til my great escape in 1980... there are good and bad people everywhere!
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John, here in Germany we got (or at least some blokes thought they got) the verrrry problem with the word "Waffennarr" which I would translate in "weapons fool". Some hunters/shooters called themselves a "Waffennarr" in a very positive meaning, some antis used it for offensing us.
At the end of the long story "Waffennarr" is still around.
Just my 2 �urocent: Stay with "rifle loony".
Regards
Werner
PS: Don't be too hard with (the) French: You know of course that English is just a bloody mix of French and German.
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I think the term is fine and you should worry about more important things such as does your lawn need mowing, do you need any oil changes, etc.
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I read the letter and thought "you must be kidding me". Why not ask him what he would prefer to be called?
I wouldn't lose alot of sleep over it. If we're voting I'm with with RickBin and Rifle Slut - but do we need different categories for big vs small bore?
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I wasn't offended at all. I took the comment in context. Some people (the complainers) need to get a life and worry about the important things ! Keep up the good work, John. One thing about the complaints, perhaps you hadn't thought about,----they must be reading your material ! That's good !
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Watched a fishing show on cable-TV last week (OK, I didn�t really watch-it, it was just on as background noise). The talking Fish-Heads were putting a deep bow in their Ugly-Sticks, hauling up some big, powerful, stubborn, honkin-fish from a reef off the Florida coast and they affectionately named the species �Reef-Donkeys�. It had a nice ring to it .... and with adaptation to the rifle crowd as �Rifle-Donkeys�, it would fit in perfectly with those folks in the rifle community who stubbornly stick to antiquated opinions and hand-me-down myths .... like that the .270 is the answer to every question, or that only Nosler Partitions can kill. That�s �Rifle-Donkeys� OH, wait, .... that has �Democratic� implications ... (Bad-Dog, No Bone ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) How about Ballistically-Enamored .... �Show me some Love.� .... or �Rifle-Ho� ... Then in keeping with the current Politically Correct trends, that everyone is disabled ... there is always �Ballistically-Challenged� or �The Cloverleaf Crowd� Myself, .... I�m partial to �Rifle-Crank� �You�ze can call me Ray, .... or you�ze can call me Jay .. But don�t call me ... late for dinner.� ... Silver Bullet (Alex, ... I�d like affectionate rifle-terms for $400 please)
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I'm with Silver Bullet, let's make it "Rifle Ho".
Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
Stolen from an erudite CF member.
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how about "jihad", after all, some of use just about consider an experience with a fine rifle as close to a "religious experience"
Just kidding, Really!!!
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John, I read the letters of reference in the latest Rifle and my immediate, visceral reaction was that the gentleman from Connecticut was a fine example of Eastern, liberal, over-educated(as compared to the amount of common sense possessed), priggish, effete snobbery. After due deliberation, I concluded that my initial impression was correct.
While I have always been partial to "aficionado", I find myself using the term "serious shooter" to indicate someone who uses, works with, and thinks about firearms as much as you or I or any number of fellow members of the Campfire do. While I have always found the term "gun nut" distasteful(because it is almost always used by someone who knows nothing about firearms and is said in a derogatory manner), I have long thought that your coined phrase of "rifle loony" to be a light-hearted, ironically amusing and sheepishly self-deprecating twist on the unpleasant "gun nut".
As a long time reader, I suggest that you write in a manner that YOU find appealing. Trust your own judgement; this has worked for many years. Cheers, RS
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I'm with Silver Bullet, let's make it "Rifle Ho". I have a friend who's an avid shotgunner, active with the Washington Women's Shooting Club, and named her boat the "Gun Ho". My wife even has a souvenir "Gun Ho" ball cap.
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If you have read much early gun writing from between the wars the term was �Rifle Crank�. Later it became �Gun Nut� now it�s "Rifle Loony", OK, now I know.
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The degree to which some people are ready to be offended at a word is due I believe to not enough fiber in the diet <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />. GDV
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MD,
I too am offended. By casting aspersions on our vocation you give us all a black eye. Wait that's not right, "dark eye" is better, and will not offend anybody.
Further, using the word rifle, is also a no-no, implying violence, and loony, is rather a nut case. So the whole term "rifle loony", needs to be added to the trash bin.
I rather like "projectile vomiter", but I afraid that might offend someone who is gastronomicly challenged.
So we are left with "projectile votary", since know one will know what it means, which is safe and very PC.
Yea, that's the ticket, "Projectile Votary".
Regards,
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Rifel Loony, rifle freak, self possessed rifle owner, obsessive compulsive rifle guy, It doesn't matter. The only people who can relate to us rifle loonies are golf club loonies(even though they don't know it) As one of each I vote to keep Rifle Loony
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I'd prefer to be called just a rifleman, but I don't think I meet Col. Cooper's requirements, so rifle loony is more than acceptable.
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MD Loony sounds perfect to me. As 2mp stated it is probably an evolution of a term from in between the wars. Sounds good to me!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> How many times have we heard someone refered to as a car, or some other collector of something, Junkie? Does that insinuate they are all on drugs? After all all drug users are junkies are they not? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Furthermore as an ex Wisconsinite and still die hard Packer fan you hit the nail on the head in your reply to the first complaint. I'm not certain some of those Packer fans aren't on something and it is a cinch some are "Loony". No doubt many of the same folks who complain about the term "Rifle Loony" would also think these fans all have an IQ of 140!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Keep up your same vocabulary. It will always fit us true rifle lovers. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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John,
Please don't go & start getting "politically correct". I read the "letters to the editors" in the rifle mag. My thoughts are those that complained "should get a life". I for one really don't give a dam if "political correct", people think I am looney. I know who I am, & am proud to be called/associated with "looney gun people"
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I think people who are offended by the use of the word looney have nothing else to worry about. There's always someone out there who gets offended over just about anything. Don't worry about it and keep true to your style. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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i did a bit of lexicographical research (i broke open my webster's new world) and found that loony has nothing to do with lunatic, which comes from lune/lunar, as in the moon. loony instead comes from the ancient scottish word loon (lown, loun), which means, in order, 1) a clumsy, stupid person, 2) crazy person, 3a) a boy, 3b) a harlot and 4) [archaic] a) a person of low rank b) a rogue. so i suppose those who support "rifle ho" or "gun ho" should be satisfied with the continued use of "rifle loony" and such based on the harlot referance. those who think themselves a bit roguish should find satisfaction as well in the term "loon." i certainly find no problem with "rifle loon." but if one had to come up with an alternative, i would suggest "rifle fan." this would go along with sports fan, racing fan, etc., as suggestive of someone who appreciates and follows the nuances of one's chosen sporting interest(s). what fun ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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I'll stick with Loony. It sure describes me appropriately. I agree, CAS is a Rifle Loony! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Althoug, I like the terms "rifle-slut" and "gun ho," "Rifle Loony" should stay. The leaders of the sport should not act from fear. Go forth, be yourself, promote the sport (and yourself) truthfully, not as someone else wants it (or you) to be. BMT
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Merriam-Webster Online shows the etymology as "by shortening & alteration from lunatic".
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well, i think merriam-webster doesn't know what it is talking about. so there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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I was not offended in the least and knew exactly what Mule Deer was referring to; our obsessions and radical interests to the max in our sport, hobby or whatever one wishes to call it. I don't have a clue as to why the man was offended. Different things set people off and what might offend him one day may not the next day. This site is full of loonies and we know it is a good thing to a point, as long as our looniness does not totally consume us and interfere with us being responsible in other areas of our lives.
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I agree Fish, I know I'm right but M-W often disagreas with my speling.
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I don't like names like that in print. Never liked Gun Nut either. Such talk would be fine of course face to face and we all know what you mean.
I like the term "Rifleman"
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I don't like names like that in print. Never liked Gun Nut either. Such talk would be fine of course face to face and we all know what you mean.
I like the term "Rifleman" I agree with Sav99 on this. Not as a point of being PC, but for the ease of reading. "Rifleman" flows easily off the page. More importantly, is the way that "Rifleman" keeps the reader in the same "intellectual groove" as the writer. A colloquialism such as "Loony" breaks the flow of a well thought out column discussing the technical merits of boattailed bullets. Sometimes, words that are useful around the campfire, are distractions on the page. Just my 2 cents, Your mileage may vary, BMT
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John, What's wrong with "Gun Owner" or better yet "Firearm Owner". When I here Loony or Nut I kinda think of a person whos elevator doesn't get out of the basement. No pun intended but, lets not give the Left anymore ammo. Thanks my friend, it's just some food for thought. I tend to use the K.I.S.S. system. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Tim K.
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Rick & Everybody--
I think we have a consensus here. Thank you very much, especially Mr. Bin himself for registering "rifle loony" and thereby cutting himself a fat 10% of whatever I make every time I use the term. Lemme see, at X dollars per article, and an average of 2000 words an article, and mentioning "rifle loony" once every other article, that comes to about $30 a year. How about that!
Actually, I strongly suspect that the reason the folks at Wolfe ran the two letters in the last issue of RIFLE is to beat some opposing opinions out of the bushes. I don't think they are the least bit worried about it, but it doesn't hurt to have the opinions of the fine people on the Campfire arrayed behind RIFLE LOONY, even if they are one.
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JB,
Your appeal(to me),is your candor,on top of the firsthand knowledge.
If it ain't broke(and it surely isn't),don't fix it. Some folks wake up unhappy and needn't much of a reason to point a finger.
No making a tight azz happy,dat's been proved................
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This is a really tough issue because we are looking for something that conveys a person who doesn't just own guns ... doesn't just like guns ...
Trying to think of the kind of context where MD uses the term -- I happened to reread his piece on 7mms from a couple years ago and noted a discussion of "several" people who'd had Ruger No. 1s or Dakota Model 10s chambered for 7x65R.
Since either of those rifles is easily available in .280 Rem., which will do exactly the same thing without the need to make cases out of whatever you'd make 7x65R cases out of, I don't think "owner" or "enthusiast" quite covers it.
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Mule Deer, I say write it your way and stop worrying about a few cry babies. I'm sick and tired of all the politically correct bull crap and people worrying about offending someone. These people need to grow up or get a life. The last time I checked this was a free country, and if someone gets offended, so be it. I tell you what. Ask Bill Orielly and see what he has to say? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Rugernut-and I mean nut!
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J.B. I guess I just have to put in my $.02 worth. While all the names you mentioned may have value in some circles, The only one that jumped out at me was "Votary" While I have never considered myself a "Votarian", it does sound kind of sophisticated and chic. However, if you don't mind I am perfectly content with the term: Rifle loonie, In fact, I'm quite proud to be considered one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> .... Best regards...theLoony9.3Guy
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Gun Slut says it all to me but would probably offend some of the true Sluts out there.. Loony is fine with me but if you have to change, Rifle Crank does work but again, someone will take offense to that too. JHMO TM
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The guy needs to get a life. Trying to be politically correct to suit some anti gun nuts is a waste of time.
Your a good writer John, please keep up the good work. E
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If I can't be a "rifle loony" or a "gun slut" or a "gun ho'" then how 'bout "rifle bitch?"
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Mule Deer
I haven't read every word you have ever had published, but I have read a fair amount of it. The tone of your writing seems to me to be a little more conversational than much of the writing that's out there, and that is part of why I find it enjoyable to read. I have never read ANYTHING in any of your articles that was outside the parameters of good taste.
If the word "loony" offends someone, their ability to be offended far exceeds your ability to mollify them, so please just keep writing the same way you have been.
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MD, What Royce said was good. You have a way of connecting with your readers with down to earth, user friendly, Laymans language that any "Loony" can understand.
Also, in doing this you contect both some knowledgable and most knowledgable readership.
In other words, you aint boring, boy.
Thanks for asking us.
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Loony seems a corect term for me,my fellow workers walk away shacking their heads.
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John, Rifle Looney fits me perfectly. I'm not offended, in fact, I'm rather proud of it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Screw' em if they can't take a joke! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Steve
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In the past few months, I've actually noticed the term, "rifle loony" showing up at other gun boards on the internet. It seems to be proliferating quite nicely and I wouldn't change it just because members of the Taliban have subscriptions to Rifle magazine. I say dance with what brung ya.
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John,
"Rifle loony" is a classic... Two thumbs up!
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MD,
Please don't back up on this one.
If a very few out of your readership need to vent in this fashion, let them.
But, if we keep bending to this PC way of looking at things we will create a very sterile and boring world.
Please don't.
BTW, I really did enjoy your answer in the mag.
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MOBD...
One of the great virtues of the English language is its susceptibility to nuance...the same word or term can have a wide variety of well-understood meanings depending on context and tone. Jack O'Connor once wrote a hysterical piece on the multitude of Western uses of the term "son-of-a-bitch" (can I say that here?).
I think we all understand exactly what you mean, and what we mean, with the term "rifle loonie". Just like "SOB" can be a terrific term of endearment among friends, though susceptible of some misunderstanding amongst casual listeners.
I happen to like the term a lot, as seems to be the case with most of the Campfire. T-Shirts, anyone?
"The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets."
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John,
Borrow from O'Connor, "rifle enthusiast." I think "rifle loony" is harmless but I have never cared to so describe myself.
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Sir, The recent objection to your use of the term "rifle looney" is reasonable; at least so in the mind of the objector. In our society today, existence is governed by a plethora of minoritys. There are more citizens, than politicians. There are more Christians - one would suppose - than Atheists. There are more criminals, than law enforcement officers (oops, almost said lawMEN) and there are certainly more firearm owners than those who would see them banned. The correlations are nearly endless. Yet we continue to be ruled by these active minorities. We are much restricted by ever-increasing laws, We have separated prayer from the schools, the quantity of crime is increasing, and firearms ownership is ever more restricted. So, one would suppose, your use of the term may soon come to an end. To propose a subsitute term would be sheer folly. However, the use of the term "person" might find limited acceptance, as used in the form of "rifle person". It would seem to convey your intent, without offensive connotations. Alas, this terminology too might eventually fall into disfavor. At least whenever one should see your use of the term "rifle person" in print, we would be reminded what a dick this guy really is, and also be reminded that complacency eventually receives its just rewards! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Your "fan", Bug.
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When i saw the two letters in Rifle i couldnt believe that people are still beating this dead horse, only an idiot would take offense at the phrase "rifle loony".
I also love how a couple of people have come to the conclusion that its the liberal eastern view.The first letter came from Co. and out of the two letters in the latest issue of Rifle one was from Ms.
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Well, I will admit to never being called a "rifle loony", at least to my face. However, I have been called a number of different names, "gun nut", "rifle fanatic" -I rather like that one-, "the nut case with all the guns", -don't particularly like that one-, and a few that wouldn't go well in mixed company. I have also been accused of being a bit to "intense" about guns in general, rifles in particular. Now, down in my part of the South, being "intense" about something has a fairly specific meaning. It may, or may not be a good thing, depending on the context of how it's used.
So what it boils down to, I don't give a damn what I'm called, as long as I'm left alone to do my thing. Yeah, I'm a little "intense" about that...
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"Rifleman" by itself is not enough. It needs an adjective.
One could anchor a term or phrase by writting an essay or poem about it. The famous one "My Rifle" comes to mind.
This is what writers get paid for.
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Mark--
So far the voting is weighing heavily on the loony side, which may or may not say something about the folks who log on here. I can't recall O'Connor using "enthusiast," but could well be wrong. However, my guess is that he would use something a trifle more evocative, such as crank or "far-gone gun nut." I do know he used aficionado more than once.
Thanks for weighing in for the opposition.
The Bull Goose Loony,
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I like rifle loony as a descriptive term. It has a connotation of mild eccentricity, which is certainly true. Who else but an eccentric would spend money on more than one centerfire, one .22, and a 12 gauge? Or focus on spending hours slaving over a hot reloading bench trying to shave a meaningless quarter inch off a group size? I suspect we have more in common than we care to admit with the rich aunt who keeps a hundred cats, or the guy who can tell you a wine vintage by taste. "Loony" is just a matter of taste, and I think it's good taste! It doesn't make us better than the one-rifle hunter, but it does make us different. Stay with it.
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Loonie fits me, & most, just about right. (not all, but most.) Rifle slut is for the wife to use, the 20 yr old calls me a gun whore. My ten yr old says I am pistol whipped.......... Loonie, crank, whore, slut, whatever. None of it offends me personally, although some of the parents from the daughters softball teams think I may be just a bit "loonie" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />.
Use the style we know & love. That is why we read what ya write anyway!!!! Be yourself man!
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MD,
I had always considered myself a rifle sucker. I own a bow so I can be in the woods before deer season and I own a shotgun so I can shoot turkeys (I pretend it's a rifle, and aim it). I am enough of a rifle sucker to plan all my travels by the best used rifle racks, and I spend ghastly and unjustifiable sums on obviously superfluous and redundant pieces that I have no use for, just to stick them in dark safes and clean them a few times a year. I confess that I couldn't keep myself from being mildly put off by having found features in Rifle Magazine's Hunting Annual involving shotshells and arrows.
Speaking for myself, when I read the term "Rifle Loony", instantly I knew how Cinderella felt when she slipped her foot into the glass slipper. Angels sang. It just fit, and was much more literate than "Rifle Sucker".
So, I say, consider the source. The source of the term Rifle Loony. A thoughtful and talented wordsmith, whose work shows both classical training and natural humor.
It is worth noting that I have never, ever, felt "talked down" to in your work, as I have been by some of the well known writers. Your respect for your reader is always evident. To the author who challenged you, I say: It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.
But first I gotta git me one'a them Gun Ho caps...
Sourmash
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that)
PS: Maybe you should just abbreviate to "RL", we know who we are...
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J.B.; Before I read through your whole post I thought to myself, "Jack O'Connor would probably say aficionado". Stick with Rifle Loony. It was your choice and you must be doing something right judging by your fans, me included. I picked up a copy of "Hunting the Great Plains" a while back at a book store in Butte. Good read. Keep up the good work in Handloader and Rifle.
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hey mule deer, if o'connor were writing today, people would take exception to a lot of the things that he said and did.... same with whelen, if maybe a little less so... i don't know if he originated the term but whelen considered himself and his kind to be rifle cranks... crank, loony,.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> ..... john w
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Bingo! RIFLEMAN suits me just fine and was going to be my suggestion as well. The term has been around, nothing new here. But it implies both an affinity for rifles as well as the ability to use them.
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I wouldn't change a thing. If the PC fanatics don't like the "loony" term, screw 'em, and let them read another magazine. You'll never please everyone. I'll throw in an alternative anyway. How abou Rifle Spaz?
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My wife called me a rifle nerd last night.
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" rifle Looney" is also a badge of honour! Do you realize just how much time and money has to be invested to become accepted into the ranks of Looneyism? Tell em to take a hike! Any body can get up on a soap box these days and denounce something as offensive, without asking the people involved. The gunwriters obviously can't tell somebody to " blow it out their ears" in a reply, but the rest of us sure can! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> catnthehat
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Bingo! RIFLEMAN suits me just fine and was going to be my suggestion as well. The term has been around, nothing new here. But it implies both an affinity for rifles as well as the ability to use them.
Don't forget equality and gender mainstream: Rifleman, Riflemen, Riflewoman, Riflewomen, Riflekids.. Imagine in your newspaper the following comments on the SCI convention: [Washington DC] "The Chairwoman of SCI's SABLES addressed the crowd as follows "Dear Riflesisters..." Just joking Roe
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I'm a rifle loony.
I kill my game, I don't harvest it. Harvest is something my neighbor does with a big green machine and his wheat never outsmarts him.
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Looked through a ton of very old dictionaries, including Latin and Greek versions trying to find proof of what I knew to be right. I failed.
My assumptions had been a root of Lune for moon > lunatic for crazy > loon for melancholy x crazy > loony for crazy person.
What I found is general disagreement in the ranks. Scandanavian "lo" or "lomar" is the root of loon and lament. A couple specific texts say loony is rooted there as well and make the argument for its existence prior to the advent of lunatic, its claimed root.
Which brings us back to being able to use the MW definitions stated above, namely harlot or simpleton. Being correct means it is only making the language richer. Being PC has clearly the opposite effect.
As has been discussed here before, terms such as "weapon" are clearly incorrect and have very negative connotations, so shelving them is a very good thing, IMO. But correct is correct, so bring on the harlots!
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hey sitka, i can't believe that i missed the one where it was agreed that the word weapon was incorrect or had negative connotations..... maybe i travel TOO much..... all of my firearms are principally weapons, fit for battle, cared for as if they will do battle at a moments notice. i believe that my forbears felt pretty much the same..... yes, they used their weapons to put meat on the table, but in the land where i have lived and in most of the places that i travel, food comes a lot easier from the water... or is gathered from the soil..... i don't have too much around the place that i don't look at and try to visualize it as a weapon..... maybe i'm a little loonier than some??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> ..... john w
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Mule Deer,
Of all the words you listed, I prefer the following three:
aficionado,
fancier, and
loony,
and I see nothing wrong with loony (definitely better than zealot or fanatic in terms of PR with the general public). Although I might prefer to be called a fancier or aficionado, I think "rifle loony" is more descriptive, and isn't that what writers are supposed to find -- colorful, descriptive terms to describe their topic?
Keep up the good work!
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Do not want to sidetrack a very good thread, but the basic concept is weapon is an offensive impliment wielded by an aggressor and by original definition could not include defense, nor even use by a losing aggressor.
You will notice the term is not used by the NRA, and not because it is PC, but because it is wrong. You will be able to look at MW and find definitions now you can argue about, but I will not go there again. Improper usage is allowing its acceptance, but I see no reason to keep the word.
It has exactly as much validity with my firearms as Saturday Night Special and serves gun owners no purpose.
If weapon was the correct term I would have zero problem using it, but it is not. Your firearms are not weapons until you use them to overcome an enemy on its own turf.
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I'm a Looney, and if there's doubt trot over to AR and visit the Small Game forum. I used to be a Miniac but that was a long time back. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Like your writing JB, keep at it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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sitka,
not concerned with merriam webster in the least... my firearms, knives, vehicles, hands, feet, and the dirt that i stand on are weapons.....
i don't see any point in discussing offensive vs. defensive, or the enemies ground vs. my ground.....
day in, day out, there is no need to use a weapon offensively, and fortunately, due to my geographical location and cultural surroundings, small need to use a weapon defensively.....
still, weapons they are, regardless of your conceptual view..... sounds like you and i are a long way apart on our definitions.... guess you can call yours what you want to..... john w
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I prefer "Rifle Shooter" or "Rifle Aficionado"......doesn't matter if Jack used the term. Loons........we have loons in Minnesota, you know 10,000 lake country and all. Loons are the Minnesota state bird. Now there's a thought....."Rifle Birds." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Roger--
Well said! I was on custom cutting crew for 6 years, and we harvested that grain. Stuff with blood is another thing.
I like Rilfe spaz and nerd too. Will tell my wife about Riflesister, as she is a shotgun loony.
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hey mule deer,
just call it as straight as you can, and, i'm pretty sure, you'll find us all behind you at the end of the road..... john w
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Do you think anyone would be up in arms if they described themselves as a mountain bike loony? Or a hockey loony? Or a beer drinking loony? Or even a Canadain dollar Loonie? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I read that letter and said to myself- Don't youhave anyhting better to do with your time than bend over becasue of how you are 'percieved' by everyone else? I figured out in my late 20's that I didn't care what others thought of me, as long as I was true to myself..Now, at 36 years old, I am so wise that I can even advise others on this topic <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Many sports related activities utilize the term, "rat", to describe extra devoted or obsessive enthusiasts. Examples are: Gym Rat for basketball, Diamond Rat for baseball, River Rat for those into the boating and waterskiing scene, and Desert Rat for the many who frequent the deserts to camp, ride atv's or race trucks. In that vein, why not something like "Rifle Rat" or "Gun Rat" to describe the truly looney amongst us?
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I like "rifle rat"! Might have to use it sometime, as in, "When the gun show was held last weekend, all the rifle rats came out of the woodwork."
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I just figured it out MD! It is not the second, but the FIRST word that is throwing these fools into a tizzy!( big stick tech term) If they are not Loonies, the concept of firearms gets them choked, and if they are, they have their heads to far up their butts to admit it! Case in point. I have actually had someone tell me on more than one occasion "No, I'm not a biker,I'm a motorcycle enthusiast". I'll try to explain this. They want to distance themselves at the proper times , mind you, from the 1%'ers, but want to be included, at the proper time to have the appropriate fun. This is a clear as I can figure it out for myself, anyway. Does this make sense? Myself, I think it comes down to political crappola. (catnthehat tech term) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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I think the problem is a case of "sour grapes" the writer simply hasn`t reached the status of "loony" yet and is bumming. Note: Gun Owner: has a rifle he inheirited from his dad. shoots once a year. Plays golf daily. Hunter: Has a rifle he acually takes in the field. Plays golf twice a week. Shooter: Has a couple rifles, may reload, shoots 1/2+ dz times a year. Plays golf on company outings. Gun nut: Has a dozen guns. shoots weekly at minimum. Won`t use factory ammo, inheirited golf clubs from uncle once but sold them for $$ to buy #4 H4831. Gun Loony: Owns more firearms then Wally World has on the rack, has a 28' x 40' pole barn as a component storage shed, is farther up the prefered customer list at Nosler then the local gun shop and has been known to stop to empty the mag in his 1911 when passing the range on the way to his daughters wedding "just because the ammo was loaded last week and he needs to recharge it with fresh". Whats a golf club?? You`ll notice the lower echelon haven`t quite got past playing with their putters and little balls. They just haven`t figured out how to run with the big boys yet. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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What's a golf club? For that matter , what is a golf? Are these "golfers" going to want thier own season and infringe on our seasons? Are the Greenies after them because they club golfs instead of shooting them? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Catnthehat
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I like "rifle nerd" and have actually used "gun nerd" as self description ... since I don't really specialize and it also takes in the policy arena.
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Sir - I would say the main reason those people are even reading those amgazines is because of your writtings - I would not change your style or choice of words.
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Rifle slut has a nice ring to it, IMHO. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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badger, a bit off topic but I couldn't resist. 363,000 miles and it has plugs. Haven't changed 'em for a long time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/img/115954.JPG)
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Dan, good one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> (Did ever tell you about Ted Owens, the guy who hauls 5'ers from the manufacturer to the dealers for a living? Yup, his '94 Dodge Cummins diesel has 1 252 000 miles with the original engine, injector pump & injectors. Original manual tranny, too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) He was featured in the Turbo Diesel Register magazine a few issues back.There a couple of others with Dodge/Cummins trucks over the million mile mark in the same issue. OK< I've done enough thread hijacking. I vote for rifle slut. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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All this confirms my wife's long-held suspicion concerning my almost total insensitivity. It never occurred to me that Mule Deer has been slyly insulting me from the pages of a magazine in my own home. And my immediate response to the reader's letter in "Rifle" was "Screw'im if he can't take a joke." Clearly, the sensitivity training is not working for me.
I can nevertheless understand Mule Deer's concern, but looking over the list of alternative terms, I failed to find one that would not offend someone somewhere for the reasons many of you have mentioned. If someone is looking for a problem, then they will generally find one--however inconsequential it might be.
Truthfully, my only complaint with the word "loony" is its slight inaccuracy. "Loony" is derived from "lunatic", which refers to an individual subject to periodic bouts of insanity. I don't know about the rest of you, but I am irrational on the subject of firearms pretty much all of the time. Frankly, I believe that I am a rifle idolator in both senses of the term: 1) a worshiper of idols and 2) a person that admires intensely and often blindly one that is not usually a subject of worship. I suspect, however, that few members of the board would appreciate that label.
Thus, I suggest that Mule Deer use whatever term he thinks best fits his writing style and his readers, and the "Rifle" reader who raised the issue should ensure that he does not in the future miss the morning pill cart.
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I'm a self-confessed rifle loony, and proud of it. Somebody design a t-shirt and I'll buy one. To me, a fancier is someone who might, as in the apocryphal story, order a best quality custom rifle built without a chamber because it was meant to be admired, but never fired. An enthusiast might own several rifles and enjoy shooting them, but might be content with factory ammo. Only a rifle loony would lie awake at night trying to figure out how to get his 1" deer rifle to shoot half-inch groups, reduce the concentricity of his handloads for his elk rifle under .002", or convince his spouse why he needs a .280 to fill the gap between his .270 and .30-06. JB said it best when he said that if gunwriters were merely journalists (as opposed to rifle loonies who write well), they could condense all the hunting rifle articles ever written into something like this: buy a small rifle, a medium rifle, and a big rifle. Mount quality optics on them, adjust their triggers to suit, and then practice a lot. Use the small rifle on small game, the medium rifle on medium game, and the big rifle on big game. While this might sound completely practical and sensible to the layperson, only a true rifle loony can see through this fallacy. Here's to you, JB. Take comfort in knowing that your rifle loony brethren have got your back. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Toss me into the "loony" bin, too, I was never offended by it, in fact, it describes me perfectly.
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Thanks again, guys. I have used "gun slut" and "rifle slut" on one or two occasions, but don't think that would make it by my editors as often as loony. Plus, I only occasionally feel like a real slut. Most of the time I'm just loony.
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I kinda like the sound of "rifle crank" but some may think you're refering to a bolt handle or some other mechanical part. "Gun slut" works for me but everyone isn't as secure in their maleness as am I. I think "looney" refers to the odd little water bird that makes silly noises. Show a rifle looney a custom piece and I think you'll see just how appropriate that appellation is.
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After reading this entire thread I am confirmed in my original opinion that the appellation is relatively harmless, but I still don't like it.
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I often refer to other gun people as gunheads.
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MD,
A couple thoughts.
First, your editors must not have anything much on their
minds if they are really focused on such trivia. Are they normally
such a bunch of anal thumb-suckers easily made anxious by
any flake complaint?
Two, you are a known recidivist, having used the loony term
several times before. Why. once in the same 2000 article on the joys
of recoil, you called yourself and a woman guide -- gasp! --
"rifle lonnies" w/o any flap. Why are they making a federal
case out of it now? Office politics at work? Have they been recentl;y
infested by lawyers?
Three, this site is a poor sounding board for determining
the margins of good taste or constructive discourse. The guys
know rifles but, judging by the constant gratuitous, use of
"sucks" and "sluts", the sensitivity scale here is off kilter.
It is kind of like asking NASCAR drivers for tips on alternative
fuels.
Don't let the b******s grind you down.
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I'm loonier today than I was 18 years ago. Just sayin'.....
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John, if someone can't see it's an affectionate, tongue-in-cheek label then nothing will be adequate unless it's dumbed-down to the point where the original point is lost! We've got a lot of up-tight, humorless paranoid's in our rank's I'm afraid... don't change anything. This, unfortunately, is true. Be who you are.
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/AP39Jhm.jpg)
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John,
I like the term loony. It is descriptive of our devotion for rifles, and in my opinion any rifle loony who is offended by the term has a problem.
For me, loony is a cool, affectionate way of calling other members of our gun locos brotherhood.
So please carry on, and don't let this modern wave of political correctness stupidity influence you.
Kind regards from Spain,
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I for one am glad you did not kneel to the "cancel culture of the day" some twenty years ago. Rifle Loony? Or something else?
#301488 06/03/04 Dear Campfire:I'd like to ask you guys a question. [b]Recently it has come to RIFLE magazine's attention that some readers are offended by my use of the term "rifle loony," [/b]because it means they're crazy--and the anti-gunners around the world might notice
Thanks,
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Take it from the guy who fashions himself a Cervid Serial Killer: Rifle Loony is spot on.
Before I came to the 'Campfire, I might have thought the term was a bit over the top. However, when I see what some of y'all daft buggers argue over, I realize I was barely wetting my toe in the ocean. Sometime over the past 20-some years, you even have me now fretting over this stuff, and I just added yet another gun cabinet to the bedroom to take the overflow.
Tell the yobs at the magazine that anti-gunners don't worry about reality. If they have nothing to twist, they make stuff up. It matters not a whit whether the term is "Loony" or "Enthusiast." It is all anathema to them and they want it exterminated.
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308ld,
Thanks for bringing up this old thread! I had forgotten about it.
It's interesting partly because quite a few Campfire members who posted in it back then haven't logged on in years, for whatever reason.
Might also mention that years ago Eileen decided to get some rifle loony caps made--even she designed the logo, which has a circle around Rifle Loony, and in smaller letters above and below, "Grade A" and "Certified." Quite a few folks have e-mailed photos of them in their RL caps in various places around the world, from Alaska to Africa.
On a trip to tour the Sako/Tikka factory in Finland a few years ago, one of the dozen or so other writers on the trip was from France--and when he introduced himself to me described himself as a "rifle loony." (He also informed me that French gun laws aren't nearly as restrictive as many Americans believe. At the time he owned close to 50 rifles, including an AR-15, and many American classics such as a Winchester Model 71.)
One other story: When we first started self-publishing our books in 2009, we rented tables at several Montana gun shows in Montana to sell 'em, along with rifle stuff (though some of the rifles on the table were essentially "bait" to attract customers). After Obsessions of a Rifle Loony appeared in 2010 we were at the Bozeman show, when a guy and his wife stopped at our table. He looked around at the books and rifles, and then asked, "What's a rifle loony?" His wife rolled her eyes and said, "YOU are, you dummy!"
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John,
I think those letters to the editor fit into the category you’ve also written about how some people just want something to be upset about
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Loony suits just perfectly - Can't let anti gunners have
any more wins. Tell them its for the Canadian coin.
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When this thread started, my older stepson was 3. Now he’s in graduate school.
I always liked “gun crank” as used by some of the old time gunwriters. It has that period sound I like. Rifle looney is good, certainly a bit more contemporary.
Interesting looking back through this thread, who’s still here, who’s no longer around. Also interesting to see how some members’ tones have changed over time, not to mention a classic, pre-“hint” post by stick.
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I'd be more affended if you changed it.
I love loony, loony is me.
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A Gun Nut by any other name is still a Gun Nut
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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I need one of those hats!
Although my wife would say I'm just plain everyday loony.....
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A Gun Nut by any other name is still a Gun Nut Yep!
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"Loony" works for me - although, any of your terms would fit!
I'm up for almost anything involving fire, or explosives.
As are most males, probably.
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon.
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I would use 'rifle enthusiast' or 'rifle specialist' or 'marksmanship disciple' if you want to avoid the hypersensitive tone deaf Karens. I like 'enthusiast' as it connotes positivity and potential. Decades ago, the gay community adopted the 'queer' epithet and wore it both in defiance of and to take power away from their detractors. Worked for them, though this situation might be a little different. The ignorantii do love to sling that 'gun nut' epithet around though, and that's another term we use ourselves in comic self-deprecation. 'We're here. We like rifle gear. Get used to it.' 
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Looney fits me to a T  and it's not just fine rifles it's classic SXS shotguns (this addiction is as bad or worse than the rifle situation) and I've become enamored with vintage S&W revolvers as well. And if this isn't bad enough I'm a wood whore as well
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A Gun Nut by any other name is still a Gun Nut “Gun nut” was in pretty common use among the gunwriters of the ‘60’s as was “anti-gun nuts. That’s when “gun crank” had that great period tone, like “dope” for data, another freshly archaic term.
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I would use 'rifle enthusiast' or 'rifle specialist' or 'marksmanship disciple' if you want to avoid the hypersensitive tone deaf Karens. I like I prefer getting right in their faces to pandering to their disabilities.
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Looney fits me to a T and it's not just fine rifles it's classic SXS shotguns (this addiction is as bad or worse than the rifle situation) and I've become enamored with vintage S&W revolvers as well. And if this isn't bad enough I'm a wood whore as well I recognize those symptoms.
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I'm loonier today than I was 18 years ago. Just sayin'.....
The Sneezer I'm loonier today than I was 18 years ago. Just sayin'.....
The Sneezer Double Just for the fun of it all. Thanks Dan for digging this old post up. Still thinking about that reloadable 22LR case……. And a modified 39A to run it in. Squirrel Stew is nervous already. BTW the hat comes out on special occasions where other like minded PUSSY’s gather.
I used to only shoot shotguns and rimfires, then I made the mistake of getting a subscription to handloader.......
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My brothers saw my Loony hat and said it described me to a T.
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John, are y'all still putting out those caps? I"d pay for a couple/few.
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Yeah, we have 'em on the website, www.riflesandrecipes.com. Eileen also introduced "Gun Gack" caps a couple years ago, around when she also started offering a larger size for big-brain rifle loonies....
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If they don't like the term 'Rifle Looney', tell them to Eat a Bag...
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Mule Deer: I introduce myself to new acquaintances as a "Rifle enthusiast".
Both of my brothers are "Golf nuts".
By the way did you harvest a Moose on your coveted Montana tag as yet?
Hold into the wind
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VarmintGuy,
No, I haven't--because I have a cow moose tag, and so far have only found bulls!
John
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I have several of the hats and I wear them proudly. I have had several people ask where to get one of the hats for themselves or as a gift.
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Brothers with golf balls??
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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"aficionado (a good word but Jack O'Connor has prior rights)"
I dunno. Sounds kind of snobbish to me. Rifle loony just has that certain ring that fits. Why back to to liberal fools that want to disarm us anyway?
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Rifle Patriots.
Let'em try to get their panties in a wad over that.
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I like the term "rifle looney" and it describes me and several of my friends. It kind of excuses my sins when I was younger and sold a perfectly good rifle for less then I paid for it so I could buy a rifle that I was not happy with after I got it.
Then for the rest of my life I am sorry I sold it and still mourn the absence of the rifle. Like the special order Dakota .358 Winchester I picked up for $600.00 and sold back for the same amount to the friend because he asked for it back. At least I broke even on that deal. I have more I could mention but it is to painful.
Only a "rifle looney" would do that. Woe is me.....
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2004 sounds a lot like 2022. Special needs type of individuals getting all red-assed over a word that has no negative connotation within the firearms community.
Those who were born and nurtured into a constant state of perpetual butt-hurt. I say ‘Looney’ won’t hurt you.
Now go buttfûck a cat and leave us, our words, and firearms alone.
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Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog
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Cats don’t need to be tortured like that, otherwise I very much agree with the Beaver.
Used to have a .38-55 that shot a .40 caliber bullet. I’m loony enough to wonder if a .22 GTC case could launch a .45 round ball. Whatchu think?
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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"Rifle Crank," Someone will be offended by it, but it's better than "loony."
Because when they get offended you can just say "if you don't like it you can kiss my crank."
Kiss my loony would just sound too gay.
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I like old threads, thank for finding it, bringing it back to life!!
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Dont like Rifle Loony.
It's just too limiting,
There is a whole world of handguns out there!
And even shotguns, I guess.
(Only have about 8 of those. But one has the forcing cone lengthened,
D&T with an optic and an expensive choke! Bad signs!😉)
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Sheriff Dillon, try this: "Shooting Loony"
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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I'm not into it enough to get the card, but who gives a rip what some wadded-panty-chewing woke thing thinks? looney works for me- I can tell who you are.....
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If there was a card available I'd have one and carry it proudly. I haven't even picked up my latest custom rifle (this week I hope) and am thinking of the next one
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It’s perfect - I wear the hats I got from you proudly - leave it alone and anyone who is “offended” by it really isn’t one anyway and/or has no sense of humor!!
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I think loony is a pretty good description for many of us.
I had a LH model 700 BDL .270 stolen out of my truck 30 or so years ago and although I've had plenty of other rifles to use I really wanted another Remmy like the one I had.
A couple of weeks ago I found it's twin (almost) on GB and paid damn near 3 times as much as I gave for the first one and I'm stupidly happy to have it, high price or not. I found an original butt plate on ebay to replace the poorly ground Pachmayr pad that's on it now and bring it back to original.
It's absolutely loony to pay the amount I did for a 1967 model 700 but I couldn't be happier.
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The minute we care about what the leftwing "progressive" LOONS (and that term is used here with a very strict definition we all understand) we lose. Never let them control the language. That said, I like Loony" spelled with and E...it just looks better to my eye.
As to O'Connor's ownership of the aficionado, meh. I remember there was a court case some years ago where someone thought their work had been improperly mimicked, and I think it was about a song but really don't recall. I DO recall what the judge said when finding for the defendant, though, because I thought it was classic: "the plantiff...does not own iambic pentameter." I suggest that O'Connor did not own the English language.
Whoever cannot handle "rifle loony" should go suck an egg. Even without the E.
Don't be the darkness.
America will perish while those who should be standing guard are satisfying their lusts.
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Considering that the term is in my screen name, I think I'll keep it. Please keep writing with your OWN style, in this world, you're bound to offend someone!!!
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Dear Campfire:
I'd like to ask you guys a question. Recently it has come to RIFLE magazine's attention that some readers are offended by my use of the term "rifle loony," because it means they're crazy--and the anti-gunners around the world might notice.
In a recent, published letter I tried to explain that I use the term "loony" not as short for lunatic, but affectionately and with tongue in cheek, as term for all of us excessively rifled folks.
Some people still didn't buy this. One suggested I follow the lead of the car mags and call us rifle "enthusiasts" or "devotees." The first sounds a little wimpy to me, and the second, unfortunately, has French roots, which also might offend many people these days.
Now, I am a gentle soul, and don't want to offend anybody (at least anybody who doesn't deserve it). Eileen and I paged through both the BIG Webster's and the thesaurus the other evening, and came up with a list of alternatives. Please let me know if any strike your fancy, or if loony suits you to a T:
addict
adherent
adorer
aficionado (a good word but Jack O'Connor has prior rights)
booster
connoisseur (French too)
crank
fanatic (where we also got the word "fan")
fancier
frequenter
glutton
habitue (unfortunately another Frenchie)
idolator
partisan
reverer
sucker
venerator
votary ("a person who is devoted to some object or pursuit")
worshipper
zealot (this actually means a person with a lot of zeal)
"Rifle votary" might hit the nail on the head, meaningwise, but just doesn't have any sort of ring to it.
We also came up with a couple for gun writers. "Boffin" is a scientist or technical expert. I have some science in my educational background, but have never considered myself a technical expert, so much prefer "rhapsodist," somebody who writes with "an ecstatic expression of feeling or enthusiasm."
That's what I want to be when I grow up, a rifle rhapsodist.
Thanks,
JB Looney works just fine for me. Guess I better order a couple more hats before the cancel culture here effects a change. Just had one blow off my head and end up in the delta and to much chop in the main channel to find it. Damn!
Never take life to seriously, after all ,no one gets out of it alive.
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If there was a card available I'd have one and carry it proudly. I haven't even picked up my latest custom rifle (this week I hope) and am thinking of the next one Actually, Eileen made up cards on her computer a few months ago, for us and a few friends--which is why Shrapnel has one as his signature line. Here are samples of the "generic" and personal versions. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/medium/206259.jpg)
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Yep rifle loony is fine, maybe put rifle on the front & loony down each side in larger print!!!!!!! ,or just make the print larger on the front!!!!! Some older liberals don't see to well. GWP. 🐾👣🐾👣👍🏻
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If we just had a sticker for the truck window, we'd be in business.
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While it's interesting (and somewhat gratifying) that this thread has rumbled along for quite a while now, apparently quite a few posters didn't notice that it originated in 2004.
After 18 years I am not terribly worried about what the non-shooting world thinks about "rifle loony", or even the shooting world. Have seen and heard the term used considerably since then, so apparently it's pretty well accepted among us....
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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It actually started in 2004, MD. Go shoot a cow moose!
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“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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Thing about old worthy literature is that people keep reading it, over and over and over again. 
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.
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OK, but you're an old fart--even older than me!
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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Don't have the time or inclination to read the whole thread but remember this,
"You will find what you are looking for"
People looking to be slighted or for a reason to complain....... well,
Stick to your guns! (See what I did there?!)
Proud rifle loony,
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OK, you wankers triggered my imagination. Brace yourselves please.
Pistol Packer = Poony
Shotgun Shooter = Shoony
Rifle Nut = Roony
And just for the heck of it, if you're a muzzle loading nut = Moony
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Shooter of Sh*t = Shoony?
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz
"Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
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Mule Deer
You are correct. Adding one more on the 18th. Will be celebrating with Mickey it being his BD as well.
Rick
PS I still prefer Gun Nut even though not so “correct”.
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“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.
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Rick,
Have a great BD! Mine isn't until December 1st, the one with a zero....
At your age you might stick to "rifle crank"....
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I always feel like a kid around JB, him being 32 days older than me.
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John,
I still remember when I overheard an older shooter refer to me as a real gun nut. I was about 14 and knew I had arrived. He was likely in his 40’s but I thought he was ancient.
I will seriously consider rifle crank as I am becoming less tolerant of guys who have opinions based on either reading numbers from a ballistic printout or on the two BG animals they got in the last 10 years.
Thanks my friend,
R
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“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.
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Whoever’s offended needs to unfug themselves and stop being a damn puzzy. Keep doing what you’re doing John.
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Very descriptive to me, besides what would I do with my hat? Take a magic marker to it. All this BS goes to far in my opinion, I like the Rifle Looney term
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“Rifle loony” is venerable and has panache.
Another vote here for status quo.
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What’s wrong with fuggin gun nut ?
Rifle loony is good
As said there will always be a mfer with crocodile tears
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OK, you wankers triggered my imagination. Brace yourselves please.
Pistol Packer = Poony
Shotgun Shooter = Shoony
Rifle Nut = Roony
And just for the heck of it, if you're a muzzle loading nut = Moony Poony, Shoony, Roony, Moony. Suddenly, I don't feel as limited by Rifle Loony!😁😁
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“Rifle loony” is venerable and has panache.
Another vote here for status quo. +1 ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/bjqf9qS.png) ya! GWB
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Rifle Loony - a person, usually a man, who could have been an alcoholic or religious zealot (many like a drink or display an appropriate amount of religious zeal) but who, at the crucial moment in his psychological development, instead of taking the pamphlet from the bald person at the airport or the wino's bottle, found himself leafing through an old book ("Handloading" by Phil Sharpe or one John Barsness' "Gun Gack" series) or perhaps contemplating the magical and consequential extension of his will beyond his hand in the dying of a buck on a cold November morning. Whatever the triggering experience this man has found a mold of sufficient complexity and meaning to hold his soul. He can lose himself in the endless, esoteric physics or feel himself braced in the rush and violence of life as lived in the moment by prey and predator. If you ask him what a "Rifle Loony" is, you are apt to get a wholly unsatisfactory answer. No one feels this lack of proper clarity more than the Rifle Loony himself. But, how can a man describe what is essentially a way of being.
Gun Nuts, Rifle Aficionados, etc. are the various earlier stages in the development of the 100%, certifiable Rifle Loony. Interventions, water-cures, homeopathy can show some effect in these early stages if the condition is deemed undesirable in a specific case. However, once a man or in some cases a woman has reached the stage of Rifle Loonyism he is beyond hope or reproach.
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1eyedmule,
May we quote you on that?
John
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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Absolutely! Rifle Loonys love to be quoted!
"One should not talk to a skilled hunter about what is forbidden by the Buddha."
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Rifle Loony - a person, usually a man, who could have been an alcoholic or religious zealot (many like a drink or display an appropriate amount of religious zeal) but who, at the crucial moment in his psychological development, instead of taking the pamphlet from the bald person at the airport or the wino's bottle, found himself leafing through an old book ("Handloading" by Phil Sharpe or one John Barsness' "Gun Gack" series) or perhaps contemplating the magical and consequential extension of his will beyond his hand in the dying of a buck on a cold November morning. Whatever the triggering experience this man has found a mold of sufficient complexity and meaning to hold his soul. He can lose himself in the endless, esoteric physics or feel himself braced in the rush and violence of life as lived in the moment by prey and predator. If you ask him what a "Rifle Loony" is, you are apt to get a wholly unsatisfactory answer. No one feels this lack of proper clarity more than the Rifle Loony himself. But, how can a man describe what is essentially a way of being.
Gun Nuts, Rifle Aficionados, etc. are the various earlier stages in the development of the 100%, certifiable Rifle Loony. Interventions, water-cures, homeopathy can show some effect in these early stages if the condition is deemed undesirable in a specific case. However, once a man or in some cases a woman has reached the stage of Rifle Loonyism he is beyond hope or reproach. Wow! Nicely done. Guy
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"One should not talk to a skilled hunter about what is forbidden by the Buddha."
- Hsiang-yen by way of Gary Snyder
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Not understanding the word part of various authors is due to inhibited literary dysfunction…..
Less TV, more books…..
Looney works for me….
I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one comes to the Father but by me. John 14:6
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i am a little late to this post . am i a rifle Loony ? ya just ask my wife or the ladies before i married my dear wife i call Blondie 45 years ago . i really am afraid to count the different cartridge dies , rifles , and pistols i own yet probably 70 + or more but at 69 years of life it is sure is fun or as some of us say : beer and bullets nothing better !
LIFE NRA , we vote Red up here, Norseman
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Pete I call my wife of 30+ years Blondie as well. I'm a Loonie, in fact going through GG4 I have 19 of the calibers listed. At a new 70 I say beer, bullets and bourbon nothing better. It's a great club to be in.
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Pete I call my wife of 30+ years Blondie as well. I'm a Loonie, in fact going through GG4 I have 19 of the calibers listed. At a new 70 I say beer, bullets and bourbon nothing better. It's a great club to be in. i got 41 caliber/rifles in this little book mentioned i have many more too and i have the ability to load and have loaded 22 Win. mags. that`s a long story. > cool so there is another lady with name Blondie , my friends could never understand why she stayed with me ? i did make a promise to my Blondie no more Bourbon i got in to much trouble that Tarzan juice made me too crazy.
LIFE NRA , we vote Red up here, Norseman
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Wow 41 calibers (of course I have several that aren't mentioned) I feel like an underachiever LOL. I am way out of my pay grade with my Blondie that's a fact.
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my personal opinion is we need a gun loony flag to hang our house's that says that we are gun loony's and proud of it!
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I like that a gun rat because I like pistol auto or revolver shot guns and rifles reloading and just plain shooting from center fire and rimfire or shotgun and I'm truly a gun slut, loony or rat. i think if it needs to be changed gun rat would be better.
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