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It sounds like you read more then you shoot! I never use a mag primer in the .44 or .45, only a Federal 150. Mag primers triple groups. I also hunt in very cold below zero weather all the way to very hot summer heat without a problem with 296. I just don't know where this problem came from except from not knowing how to load to start with. Fist size groups at 50??? That would piss me off at 200 yards! My revolvers shoot around and under 1/2" at 50 yards. Most will hold 1" to 1-1/4" at 100 yards. I have nothing to prove either, I pass along information gleaned from experience to make a revolver shoot as good as most rifles. However I can prove what I have learned and I don't need a keyboard. I will post some pictures. No loss of velocity with H110 from summer to winter, huh? Is a Fed. 150 hotter than a 155, CCI 350 or Win LP? You surely don't know how the [bleep] to work up loads either, other than just saying a gun is "hot" and the powder sucks. Maybe your just getting what you give? Yep, keyboard.... There is seven deer. I shot four of them; one with a handgun (45 Colt), with Lil' Gun no less... This was shot at almost 80 yds., once, with a dose of H110 (25.5 grs. and a Fed.155M , 280 gr bullet). Accuracy.....and groups. How about this target at 125 yds (rangefider verified it) from a 445 SuperMag? The mess is from a softnosed cast slug using AA1680. Keyboard.... Of course I have shot deer with Blue Dot as well, all does 'cept a dead on his feet, not in his mind mulie for a friend. The crappy Lil'Gun, again, at 2,800 fps. with a cast bullet from the Hornet; On a summer day.... Reading.... And Rocky, all his does is read too (and write).. Well, you might find him in the "Ask The Gunwriters" section. You won't like it, as you are more apt to tell... If you have nothing to prove, why are you so adamant others must, especially since you are NEW here?
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Can I play? First target shot, 25 yards, with the first load tried in a brand new 5.5" Ruger Bisley Blackhawk SS (AccuSport version): Of course, that's just crappy ol' Unique (10.0 grains) under a 280 gr. WFN hardcast, WW cases and primers.
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Did I mention that was two-handed, off-hand?
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Yours was sans scope as well.......
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How about 50 yard groups with the 45-70. Notice the sighter target on the left for deer hunting. First five in 3/4" and next five in 7/16". Yeah sure, forgot more then me. 56 years of working with guns makes me a beginner. Get off the pot and show me just how good you load your ammo! Show me how much you know about powder! Nothing worse then a keyboard bragger. How many hundreds more pictures would I need to post before any of you dared post ONE? As usual, my pictures will end a thread. The BFR 45/70 has a nice long throat. You could try seating your bullets out closer to the end......and your not the only one who has one.
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The shot low in the 9-ring (5 o'clock) was the first. Adjust sights. Low 10-ring (7 o'clock) was the second; adjusted again. Third shot was 3 o'clock, 10-ring; slight adjustment. There are 9 shots (IIRC) in that x-ring cluster. Obviously, I didn't think it needed further adjustment......
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Obviously it needs 175 more yards, diff powder, a scope and more adjustment (grins)
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Naw, I think I'll just stick with that load and kill stuff with it, as is. Assuming, of course, the bullet don't fail.................
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With any luck, after 56 years of reloading, I won't be a dick...(fingers crossed).
Bullets only work on paper (grins).
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Or, how about this one, from a factory Kel-Tec PF-9 with Speer GoldDot factory loads (of course) at 10 yards, again, offhand?
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With any luck, after 56 years of reloading, I won't be a dick...(fingers crossed).
Bullets only work on paper (grins). Seems some bullets only do......... You've got a few years to work on fixin' that problem.......... Oh, and if you believe the 56 year track record, I've got a bridge that I need to sell................
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I believe most people, until they lie.....
Unless others I know are credible tell me they are a liar beforehand....
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I just figure people are [bleep], until proven otherwise. Saves time and hassle.............
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You need to get outta VA.....(grins).
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I just figure people are [bleep], until proven otherwise. Saves time and hassle............. occupational hazard, bro'
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You see, the normal thing happened! It has gone downhill including masked swearing. The discussion was about powder with someone saying ball powder will not work in the cold and needs a mag primer. I posted pictures of groups shot under conditions from -10* to almost 100* using 296 with several calibers using a LP standard primer without any change. Larger cases need a mag primer for better accuracy but still fired fine with a standard primer as all were tested. The 45-70 shows there is a powder that works with a short barrel and performs any time of the year. Not once did I ask how anyone shoots or how far or how many deer you kill. All I want is proof that 4227 works perfect in the .44 or .45 if you shoot far enough and with enough shots to show me exactly how wrong I am. I have proven that 296 works but most of you avoid what I have asked and jump all over the place with derogatory remarks instead of showing any intelligence and desire to prove anything. I asked you to go to 50, 100 or more yards and shoot enough shots to heat the gun with your 4227 loads and show the targets. I would also like to see chrono results and a picture of the primers. Shoot 30 or 40 shots with no more the 5 or 6 minutes between each 5 shots. Better if it is a hot day in the sun. I would do the test but would be called a liar. When you come back, I will return. As of now the level of knowledge here does not warrant further response. I have no idea why the moderator allows some of you.
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H110/296 not working in the cold is news to me. It's the only powder I use in my .44s and .475 in 100+ degree heat and below zero temperatures. Whoever fed you that nonsense knows not what they speak of.
I know bfrshooter personally and have hunted extensively with him. He can shoot circles around most and he has been reloading longer than many of us here have been on this earth, me included. So, when he speaks of his personal findings, you would be well served to listen.
BTW -- that isn't scope on his .45/70, it's a red dot (Ultradot 30).
Why the hostility?
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I assume you just hit reply and aren't talking to me.....are you? I am agnostic on the powder issue.
You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me?.....T. Bickle
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Nope. Not talking to you. You assumed correctly.
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I run 23 grains of Enforcer with the 225 grain barnes for 1450fps
23 grains of H110 with 300 grain speers for 1300fps
20.5 grains of H110 with 325's for 1200fps. all loads with Starline brass, Ruger with a 7.3" barrel.
the only time i had problems with 110 is when i tried to makc my own load with 230 hardball, not enuff powder made a sqib load that left the bullet half way down the barrel.
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