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Well stated. Unfortunately a lot of people consider high powered variables a replacement for binoculars and spotting scopes. In the field, I don't care much for this practice.
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Well stated. Unfortunately a lot of people consider high powered variables a replacement for binoculars and spotting scopes. In the field, I don't care much for this practice. I'm runnin' for cover ... how long has it been since we've had this debate (might be due again) ... usually good for a chit storm FTR ... I agree.
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Bobin,
I am holding my breath. We have a big celebration coming and want to serve wild boar. So far I still have it in the fresh box (the woods). Can you picture me telling the crowd, I missed because I only had a fixed? I think, I better borrow a real rifle from a serous hunter...
Kenjs,
that Weaver intrigued me to for a long time. Picked it up here at the fire this spring. Has all ready acounted for a couple hogs. Best thing, after lots of use, I still am intrigued. Sits on a 6mm Rem. (Kermit) that I finally found brass for. It and some TSX are due next week.
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The variables are no more likely to fail than the fixed. The advantages are that you have a bunch of different fixed power scopes in one.
It's 2009......wake up!
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Pretty funny considering your avatar.
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The variables are no more likely to fail than the fixed. The advantages are that you have a bunch of different fixed power scopes in one.
It's 2009......wake up! You have the wrong guy friend - I made no comment about the reliability of variables. Must be someone else. That aside, after this weekends use of my only variable I am more convinced than ever I don't want one -least for any hunting I do. Any benefit I might pull out of a scope from its ability to change magnification has been far outstripped by the repeatability and constantness of a fixed. The one point I voiced earlier was, and remains, this- the longest shots of the original poster was said to be under 50 yds so I don't understand the need for any scope at all. Kind of think the entire thread is full of info that really doesn't apply to the circumstance. Enjoyable, but not germane. (with respect)
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I have a bunch of varaibles. They are all perfectly repeatable and constant. I can't imagine hunting with a rifle without a scope. Of course I'm 52.
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I have both and think they're both great. The only reason I hunt primarily with a fixed scope is ME, not the scope. There is little worse than to miss the "shot of a lifetime" as that big buck crosses an opening 20 yards away, all because I left my scope on a high power of magnification. A 4X scope is plenty to hunt any animal in North America to 400 yards or better. That is a fact that can not be denied (sucessfully).
Another fact is that more moving parts equals more breakdowns, whether it be optics, or submarines.
I have variables, and like them. I just don't need them.
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I have fixed power scopes, but I don't need them.
They offer no advantages other than perhaps an oz. or 2 of weight savings. An older fixed power is a lot more likely to fail than a modern variable.
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An older variable is a lot more likely to fail than a modern variable.
The pearls just keep on coming.
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Your wearing them.
Older variables weren't so good. You guys are still stuck in the 1970s. New variables are just as good as it gets. The fixed power offers nothing. Old wives tales die hard.
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I have a bunch of varaibles. They are all perfectly repeatable and constant. I can't imagine hunting with a rifle without a scope. Of course I'm 52. So is this: Can't imagine using either WITH a scope...The 45 in the back has shot at least a dozen head of hogs/deer....it never knew it wasn't a rifle I guess...The one up close has drawn blood once..
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Old wives tales die hard.
Kind of like muskets and buckskin? Leave it alone... Like my man Walter Sopcheck says "you're out of your element Donny!" Less moving parts is always more reliable than more moving parts... and slightly larger lenses will always give the fixed scopes a brightness advantage. The only people who have trouble shooting schitt with fixed scopes... are people who haven't shot much schitt.
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Damn, you've tripled your post count in the past two days........grin
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Do you guys get paid to be a$sholes, or do you do it for free? You clearly know nothing. I'm use to that. I deal with it all day long.
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I don't think I said anything particularily assholish, but yes, they both have their advantages. As far as Steelhead knowing nothing, that is not true, he knows a lot. But he is a sensitive fellow and if you insult his intelligence the hurt will come out.
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Do you guys get paid to be a$sholes, or do you do it for free? You clearly know nothing. I'm use to that. I deal with it all day long. So you have severe agoraphobia.......
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I don't think I could insult his intelligence.
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Damn, you've tripled your post count in the past two days........grin Trying to catch up with Jeff... it's hard to get in 412.6 posts per day though.
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