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he got an amazing amount of money from people who work for big businesses and should know better......I never miss a chance to ask New York lib lawyers how that Obama thing is working out for them.
never knew they was so many commanisses on Wall Street.
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he got an amazing amount of money from people who work for big businesses and should know better.
never knew they was so many commanisses on Wall Street. Sure you did,....
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As reported under US Campaign finance requirements. This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
Because of contribution limits, organizations that bundle together many individual contributions are often among the top donors to presidential candidates. These contributions can come from the organization's members or employees (and their families). The organization may support one candidate, or hedge its bets by supporting multiple candidates. Groups with national networks of donors - like EMILY's List and Club for Growth - make for particularly big bundlers.Top Obama donors: University of California $1,385,675 Goldman Sachs $980,945Microsoft Corp $806,299 Harvard University $793,460 Google Inc $790,564 Citigroup Inc $657,268JPMorgan Chase & Co $650,758Stanford University $580,904 Sidley Austin LLP $574,938 Time Warner $547,951 National Amusements Inc $541,251 WilmerHale $524,292 UBS AG $522,019IBM Corp $518,557 Skadden, Arps et al $510,274 Columbia University $503,566 Morgan Stanley $490,873US Government $479,956 General Electric $479,454 Latham & Watkins $467,311 McCain Merrill Lynch $371,295 Citigroup Inc $320,251Morgan Stanley $271,152Goldman Sachs $230,095JPMorgan Chase & Co $225,557 US Government $207,829AT&T Inc $194,913 UBS AG $182,079Credit Suisse Group $179,053 Wachovia Corp $169,057 PricewaterhouseCoopers $167,900 US Army $162,870 Bank of America $155,251 Blank Rome LLP $154,426 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $150,396 Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,437 FedEx Corp $132,974 US Dept of Defense $131,675 Lehman Brothers $125,357 Bear Stearns $117,498 Source: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/
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If you are under age 40 or so (maybe higher) and are expecting to ever see a payout of your money on social security I think you will be disappointed.
I've lived my life and try to tell those that work for me and just people I know to treat it like a bonus. If it's there good, if not don't count on it.
Putting your life in the hands of the government and politicians doesn't sound like a great idea to me.
Biggest Ponzi scheme going. Nope, the biggest ponzi scheme is taking what little value the dollar actually had and driving it into oblivion, via more socialist spending and corporate/Union bailouts. Now even a 401K ain't worth schitt.
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If you are under age 40 or so (maybe higher) and are expecting to ever see a payout of your money on social security I think you will be disappointed.
I've lived my life and try to tell those that work for me and just people I know to treat it like a bonus. If it's there good, if not don't count on it.
Putting your life in the hands of the government and politicians doesn't sound like a great idea to me.
Biggest Ponzi scheme going. Now even a 401K ain't worth schitt. It is if you listened to Ron Paul and took your 401K out of the stock market when it was at 13,600. Or,...you can listen to the people on Fox News and get used to eating cat food in your old age.
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I have a ways to go (35), and some of it was moved....
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Big money has absolutely no effect on the outcome of Presidential elections and anybody who thinks so is probably a damned ole' union member who makes two hunna and senny fi' thousand dollars a year fer puttin' them things in the toilet that makes the water turn blue!
You commanust need to shut the hell up! I don't care which side of the argument you stand on, that is downright funny ......... Absolutely!
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It is called your or their problem for a reason. There are those that can and those that can't. My viable solution is to do for yourself and let the weak fade away.
The problem is that this doesn't happen. Those that feel (rightly or wrongly) to be excluded from the system or disenfranchised are the perfect base for a revolution. In that sense, welfare, social security and other entitlement programs were a compromise that kept people invested in the system, rather than rising up against it. It's Realpolitik. Certainly it's costly, but we had no revolutions in the early 20th century while other countries did A person with nothing to lose is the ideal revolutionary or terrorist. A person with government benefits to lose isn't going to take to the streets with a gun and try to overthrow the government. It's not a desirable situation (the welfare state) but it works to keep the country stable. You are correct, it does not happen. In your post you make the same old excuse (as do the masses/minions) to just go along with the system because it�s easier than hurting the feelings of some nut sack licking welfare case. Just my interpretation of your post. I have earned my goverment benifits and to loose them would not effect my existance one bit. I still can wipe my own ass and when I cant, it is time to fade away.
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Typical "class warfare" Thermidorian Reaction BS from a known socialist....jorge Pegged it, early on. StupidAssCharlie, at it again, though he'll never admit that his support of Hussein is what is truly killing this nation.
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What exactly do you define as big bucks? And what is "harvesting the country"?
There are many veiled ideas hidden in your words but either you don't have the cajones to say exactly what you want to say or you haven't fully thought it through. Either way, an intelligent discourse will be difficult - and likely end where these type of things always end.
At the risk of offending you, and in conjunction with your previous post, your words sound a little victimish and a little too fatalistic. There is nothing happening in the 2000's that hasn't happened in another time, industry, job market. The scale may be different but if the world is/was a smaller place, moving your job several hundred miles at that time is no different than moving it around the globe today.
I can�t stand fatalistic viewpoints. Those who practice them are bound to stay in that same station in life, those who don�t founded this country. And I thank them.
If you don't like what is happening to you - or has happened - you have the ability to do something about it. It won't be easy, but it can be done.
Again, life is as hard as you make it...............
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What exactly do you define as big bucks? And what is "harvesting the country"?
There are many veiled ideas hidden in your words but either you don't have the cajones to say exactly what you want to say or you haven't fully thought it through. Either way, an intelligent discourse will be difficult - and likely end where these type of things always end.
At the risk of offending you, and in conjunction with your previous post, your words sound a little victimish and a little too fatalistic. There is nothing happening in the 2000's that hasn't happened in another time, industry, job market. The scale may be different but if the world is/was a smaller place, moving your job several hundred miles at that time is no different than moving it around the globe today.
I can�t stand fatalistic viewpoints. Those who practice them are bound to stay in that same station in life, those who don�t founded this country. And I thank them.
If you don't like what is happening to you - or has happened - you have the ability to do something about it. It won't be easy, but it can be done.
Again, life is as hard as you make it............... Well ain't that special.
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What exactly do you define as big bucks? And what is "harvesting the country"?
There is nothing happening in the 2000's that hasn't happened in another time, industry, job market. The scale may be different but if the world is/was a smaller place, moving your job several hundred miles at that time is no different than moving it around the globe today.
Well we don't own the globe anymore. We use to be an industrial based economy producing our own needed goods and much of the worlds. The industrial sector use to drive our economy with the financial sector following in a balanced lockstep. In the '29-'33 depression our industrial sector was in place to carry us out of that depression. During this time our domestic energy production supported most of our needs and what we did import was easily offset by our industrial output and exports. We were not a debtor nation. Not so anymore. Over the last ~40 years our economy has been driven by the financial sector as our industrial sector has contracted due to the import of cheaper goods. The financial sector drives the economy with debt. That is the only product the financial sector has to sell. We are a debtor nation now. The BIG BUCK international banks have harvested our nation. Look up financialization and read all about it.
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Our industrial sector contracted because of obscene capital gains taxes, absurd government regulation and even more obscene labor costs. And it's going to get worse with this marxist in office. Not to mention the HUGE entitlement programs that SAP the country like a growing cancer. When the average salary of a semi-skilled assembly line worker exceeds that of a teacher, we have huge issues. Your last paragraph clearly shows how clueless you are Charlie. jorge
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When the average salary of a semi-skilled assembly line worker exceeds that of a teacher, we have huge issues. jorge I knew you would eventually say something sensible.
The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.
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I know I'm not the brightest bulb - but still don't get the harvest metaphor or analogy - whichever it is.
I don't deny the US has slipped in the global manufacturing arena - it has. My point is still - how do you rectify the situation w/o imposing some form of free trade restrictions/incentives? We can continue to bemoan the fact that the industrial base in this country isn't what it was in the 1950-60's. In a free market economy folks have the ability to work for whatever wages they desire and buy products based on those wages. The world works that way. Either figure out how to be more innovative, productive, etc, or dream something up that the consumers want - namely around the globe.
The oxymoronic thing to me is folks bitch and moan about the cheap labor in 3rd world countries stealing all the manufacturing jobs by working for pennies. Do you really think these same folks working for $0.12 an hour are buying the products they make? Are they really buying $20,000 cars? $2500 computers? Wii game systems? Ever been to a Walmart? Somehow the parking lot is full of folks buying cheap things, made in other countries, by the folks making $0.12 an hour. Kind a like bitching about cigarettes killing you as you buy another pack.
At the end of the day, the US is part of a global economy that is consumer driven. No amount of propping up by the US Gov is going to bring back the manufacturing base of the 1950's and 60's. Instead of bitching, lets figure out ways to increase production in the areas we are strong in. I still maintain, manufacturing and assembly jobs are not the future of this country. And I'm not sure it should be because of the aforementioned global payscale. Hi-tech, computers, health care, financials, are where the jobs are - and will continue to be into the future. We simply don't need 6 people to manufacture things any longer. A machine can do the work of these same folks, driven by a better educated operator using a computer. It works that way and has since this country was founded.
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I know I'm not the brightest bulb - but still don't get the harvest metaphor or analogy - whichever it is.
It's not that complicated. Those who have the money to influence government are manipulating it for their own benefit. You ultimately get to pay for it. http://sites.google.com/site/disclosuredelta/
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it's a serious subject, but we might as well have a little fun as we go. in a fast water stream, and the crew is in an inflatable raft, when it comes time to hold-on, capsize, or do all one can to get through the rapids "intact," the thing to do is to run to the "high-side." it's std issue. said in other terminology, technology is no respecter of persons, no matter their nationality, or history. time to move-on. the past is the past. the future, now there's something to consider.
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I wonder with the influx of cheap labor into this county, would you guys agree that there are millions of jobs that don't pay what they used to?
Would you guys agree or disagree that millions of jobs that our fathers had no longer afford those who hold them, what our fathers were afforded?
Around my parts for the most part only the educated or the union jobs pay enough to buy a home, if you work the jobs our father held that are not union or do not require college, you rent.
Because middle class jobs have been over run with cheap labor, the middle class workers who gravitate to the last of the good paying jobs are now the enemy?
I wonder if once the government takes over the health care system and demand less wages for doctors, if said doctors form a union to represent them in negotiating with the government, who will be the greedy in that scenario?
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I wonder with the influx of cheap labor into this county, would you guys agree that there are millions of jobs that don't pay what they used to?
Would you guys agree or disagree that millions of jobs that our fathers had no longer afford those who hold them, what our fathers were afforded?
Around my parts for the most part only the educated or the union jobs pay enough to buy a home, if you work the jobs our father held that are not union or do not require college, you rent.
Because middle class jobs have been over run with cheap labor, the middle class workers who gravitate to the last of the good paying jobs are now the enemy?
I wonder if once the government takes over the health care system and demand less wages for doctors, if said doctors form a union to represent them in negotiating with the government, who will be the greedy in that scenario? the American Medical Association may not be our friend? we need more doctors and nurses. it's a supply problem, unless you own the license to practice. then it might be a license to ensure prosperity for your family, at the expense of others? seriously, the whole system has become archaic. we've got folks from every corner fighting to preserve the status quo, and meanwhile the status quo is dead and gone. well, it's dead, and nearly gone. we are all attempting to perpetuate the past. the past is over and done. it's time to rethink. but, how do we do that???
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