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The .257 fits fine in a short action. I have owned,shot and hunted with a bunch of 2.8" magazined .257 Bobs and it does indeed do anything the .25-08/.25 Souper will do, though I guess it won't do it "properly," whatever that means. I knew I'd get someone with that troll. <g> .
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There's a niche for "justenuf" that can't be filled by something that's "modanenuf." The 25-308 fills that particular niche just fine. And for all who worship the 250 Ackley: surprise! The 25-308 is exactly the same, but without the case-forming hassles.
The same comments could be made for the .25WSSM. The 50.0 grains of water case capacity makes the WSSM precisely the same capacity as the basic .308 case. Just a shorter, fatter format. Steve
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While we are on this topic, which of the 2(257R or 25 X 308) would fit better in a Ruger tang safety short action? I have just such a gun that will be made into one or the other one day and honestly I don't care which. Regards, John.
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They would both work equally well.
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Having three 257 Roberts rifles on short actions, which I like a lot, as well as one short action 250AI, I can see me getting a 25 Souper on a short action just because....
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I forgot the 25 Wissississim, Steve. Thanks. Of course, most of the shooting world has already forgotten it, also. Perhaps I may be forgiven.
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I forgot the 25 Wissississim, Steve. Thanks. Of course, most of the shooting world has already forgotten it, also. Perhaps I may be forgiven. Friend Rocky, Heck, I've forgotten it!!!! I have to giggle every time I see one of Winchester's advertisements. The .25 WSSSSSM equals the .25-'06. Not in a pig's eye. Fifty-grain capacity gives basic .308-case performance. Period. In my opinion, the WSSM is the answer to an unasked question. It also screwed the possibility of Winchester ever bringing out the .25 WSM, which would have been a HUGE financial success. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. Just imagine a wonderful modern, low recoiling cartridge with performance between the .25-'06 and the .257 Weatherby ... it is the answer to a prairie hunter's dream and it would have sold like hotcakes. You'd be surprised at how many of Winchester's execs and retired execs shoot .25 WSMs on a personal basis. They never talk about it, but it was a missed opportunity. Beancounters SUCK!!!!! Steve
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25 WSM? 25 Souper?
Don't forget the 25BR.
As for me, the winter project this year is gonna be a 25 Better Bob.
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May you enjoy it to no end, Dave.
But remember that cartridges are like laundry soap: just because the packaging is "Improved" doesn't mean what's inside is any better!
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DS,
Great choice. I'm getting 3320 fps from 100 gr bullets w/out going over max listed charges, and getting pretty little clover leaves from said load.
I'm still planning to build myself a nice compact and light "standard bob" though. I don't think you can have too many 257 Bobs, 7x57s, or 30-06s, personally.
Keep us updated on the status of the project; I for one would love to see pics.
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There is no such thing as a BAD 25 caliber
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Except for the 25WSSM of course..
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Couple of more questions. Except for the obvious(factory vs. case forming) is there any good reasons to pick a .257 over the 25 X 308 or vise versa? Also, when making a 25 X 308 case, is it better to use .243 and go up or .260 and come down? Thanks, again, John.
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When I made mine, there were no 260s so I used 7-08 cases. One regular sizing pass is all it took with no rejects at all. The 260 would be even easier. You can use some 308 cases, but it is wise to use the seater die first as an intermediate form die (the neck are is larger on the seat die to allow room for a seated bullet). You might have to turn some necks because they'll be too thick.
I went down rather than up from 243 cases for the simple reason that it is very difficult to tell a 25-308 round from a 243 by sight and with the 243 headstamp it might be possible to get the wrong round into a rifle. That could be a problem.
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I forgot the 25 Wissississim, Steve. Thanks. Of course, most of the shooting world has already forgotten it, also. Perhaps I may be forgiven. Friend Rocky, Heck, I've forgotten it!!!! I have to giggle every time I see one of Winchester's advertisements. The .25 WSSSSSM equals the .25-'06. Not in a pig's eye. Fifty-grain capacity gives basic .308-case performance. Period. In my opinion, the WSSM is the answer to an unasked question. It also screwed the possibility of Winchester ever bringing out the .25 WSM, which would have been a HUGE financial success. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. Just imagine a wonderful modern, low recoiling cartridge with performance between the .25-'06 and the .257 Weatherby ... it is the answer to a prairie hunter's dream and it would have sold like hotcakes. You'd be surprised at how many of Winchester's execs and retired execs shoot .25 WSMs on a personal basis. They never talk about it, but it was a missed opportunity. Beancounters SUCK!!!!! Steve You get an amen to that. The 257 SM should have been. Maybe Ruger can come up with a 25RCM.
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Absolutely no doubt in my mind that one of the biggest pooch screws ever by gun makers was Win's choice to not do the 257 WSM...  And, even though the 325 WSM has done better than I originally expected. I do feel that if they'd of done the 338 WSM it'd of had more staying power and a higher piece of the pie chart. Dober
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No doubt a 25 Wizzum was the way to go.
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Dober +1 on the 25WSM idea...the boys in the back have literally built more of them, than we have sold of the 25WSSMs...oughta tell the marketers something, but if they were listening I'd have a rack full of Super Grade .300 H&Hs....
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When I made mine, there were no 260s so I used 7-08 cases. One regular sizing pass is all it took with no rejects at all. The 260 would be even easier. You can use some 308 cases, but it is wise to use the seater die first as an intermediate form die (the neck are is larger on the seat die to allow room for a seated bullet). You might have to turn some necks because they'll be too thick.
I went down rather than up from 243 cases for the simple reason that it is very difficult to tell a 25-308 round from a 243 by sight and with the 243 headstamp it might be possible to get the wrong round into a rifle. That could be a problem. This is why I choose to neck brass down instead of up. There is also the tendency for necking down to create slightly thicker necks and maybe provide a bit tighter fit in the chamber.
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I read a write-up on the 338 Fed in PS in which the guy said he gets less run-out when he necks cases down rather than up?
In that case, he said that he was necking match-grade 308 Win cases up to 358 and then back down to 338?
This was of interest to me, cuz I had a huge stash of 270 Win brass I've been using through my 338-06 with a single pass. Curious, since it has come up here, if you guys have an opinion on this?
FWIW, I've been running the 270 Win brass through the (Hornady) 338 die which seems to over tighten the necks, then through my Redding neck sizer to make 'em "just right", then annealing the cases before fire forming.
Thoughts?
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