Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Zbrojovka Brno, Norodni Podnik, Model 21H 7x64mm

I recently acquired a Brno Model 21, think it is a model H (does not have full length stock), no model markings on the rifle, but based on previous posts I read here earlier, it is a model 21. Action smooth, shotgroup very tight with Geco soft point. Serial # 24,000, 7x64mm, claw mounts, appears to be in 85-90% condition, barrel/bore are excellent; Czech Production Proof Mark from 1949 on receiver; Pachmayer recoil pad. I am considering having the claw mounts replaced with a EAW or Leupold quick release system, since the claw mounts for a scope are very expensive here in Germany to reproduce and fit correctly. Will this impact the value of the rifle significantly? Or is it worth the investment to get a claw mount scope put back on?

I have a BRNO 22 fullstock carbine in 7x64 and would, of course, love to have a matching rifle in any caliber, but 7x64mm would be perfect. Mine has claw mounts and a Hensoldt variable power scope with #1 post reticle.

So, I keep up with these things now, and shop for a companion rifle. Of the prices I see, I don't think it is going to add a lot of value to put on the claw mounts, but since you have the bases and only need the legs, it would seem you can find some standard ones that match. A lot of the ones of this era seem to conform to a standard.

I'll tell you how precision these things are, and the craftsmanship of the gunsmiths who mounted them. At the same time I bought my 7x64 BRNO, I bought a 1930 model factory Mauser full stock in 8x60mm, engraved, and with the claw mount bases but no scope. Out of curiousity, I removed the scope from the post-war BRNO, and tried it on the Mauser. It clicked into place! I was astounded. Two gunsmiths, almost 20 years apart, before CNC mills, just hand micrometers and calipers, locating the hole spacing within 2/1000 of an inch, as best I could read with my Starrett dial caliper.

Sadly, I could only keep one of the rifles (I had to buy them both to get one), so the 8x60mm has a happy new home.

You have the finest production Mauser ever made..The mod. 21 signifies that it is the "rifle version" and it came in 20 and 24 inch barrel length..The Mod 22 signifies that it is a manlicher version and it also came in both barrel length..They are both small ring actions and most were double square bridge actions, but a few (rare) have round receivers..

I would leave the claw mounts on the gun and they are the best QD mount ever produced as far as return to zero and a good smith can tighten them up from time to time but most have an adjustment just for that. You can't do better. I have owned many of these guns over the years but they kept getting so valuble that I ended up selling most of them when they doubled in value. They are still climbing every year in value.

Presently, I have a Brno M-21 double squre bridge small ring Mauser in 9.3x62 that is a super fantastic rifle..It was originally a 7x57 with a damaged bore, so I had the original barrel traced using a Lothar Walther blank, used the original sleeved rear sight, barrel band sling swivel and flush fitted barrel band front sight..It was traced so close that the stock bedding didn't even need a touch up, it was perfect..It looks to be completely original other than its in a caliber that Brno never produced and the stock has been refinished it appears..It is supurbly accurate shooting under and inch with several loads.

Great rifle in a great caliber. I am going to sell it or my Ruger SS 338, as they are so close balistically so whichever one sell first then I'll keep the other.. for additional information contact Ray at rayatkinsonhunting.com

Goldminer,

Welcome to the forum and congratulations on getting that Brno! Its not that clear to me what you have or need for mounts?

Do you have the 21H with the square receiver bridges? Is it possible to show pictures of what you have?

Here is a 21h with the square bridges and what I believe to be the factory mount.

I have a few,my 7x64 is the ZG47 model

Can't say to any of this but I listened to Zbrojovka Brno, Norodni Podnik backwards and found out where Paul was buried. Coo coo kachoo.

Rifle,

Thats a fabulous collection. Good for you.

If you wish show more pictures(s) of any of them.

While I was buying all of these over the years,I passed on some pretty good Savage 99's and early Marlins,now they are hard to find!..but I guess that's what keeps us in the game!

This is one of those keeper's !!

Send me your email and I will send picture. I am having problems uploading pictures due to file size. The rifle does not have square bridges.

Okay, I think the picture worked as a file attachment. Let me know if you can view. Cheers.

Thats beautiful Goldminer. Here is your picture.



I have a drilling with similar claw mounts. There have to be scopes out there with appropiate mounts that will fit.

Now that you have the picture you can show what you need.

Savage 99 thanks for pulling the picture in, still getting the hang of this site. Lot's of great info here and I appreciate all the comments and pictures of other great Brno/CZ collections. Although it may cost me a little, I am inclined to find a claw mount set that will fit; very reluctant to modify factory orginal from something produced in 1949 and still shoot quarter size shot groups.

I bought my first for $350.00,my last one at $1600.00.This was in a span of about 8 years! They all shoot great. I have 2 in 6.5x57,7x57, two 8x57 and the ZG47 in 7x64.I'm still looking for a 5.6x57 and a 9.3x62....You have a good looking rifle and good luck on the claw mounts.

Rifle,

You have a fabulous collection of fine Brno's. I had never heard of or seen one here in my area. To me the 99's and the old 70's were the ne plus ultra of hunting rifles.

Only when I read of the Brno's on the net did I seek one out. I paid more than you of course for the two I have as I got a late start. Now the prices are out of sight it seems.

To add: Here are some that I saw at a show last year.

Where was that gun show?

I think at today's prices they are still a good buy.The market finlly caught up to them,same with Brownings and FN mausers,they were slow to increase in value compared to Win/P64's,but they getting to that level....rifle

Wish I could remember? The dealer was not at his table and to be frank what with those asking prices I was not interested.

The FN Supreme that I had for sale took forever to sell at $595. Finally its gone and after the consignment commission I got $400 something.

I think the Brno's are priced way too high but the market sets the prices.



I switched that scope to an old Weaver and got $4XX for it. Its a 270. Maybe thats why?

Savage, I know that dealer, he's from the Albany, NY area. Saw those rifles at both the Albany and Saratoga shows.