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Got a chance to grab one (30" octagonal barrel, higher grade wood, silver fore-end tip, pistol grip, ladder sights), for a not bad price. Any thoughts on them? Oh, it's a '90, and I can like that......... 
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45-90, 50-90 or 1990??? I really like my rolling block (an original, not a Pedersoli). Had I had it built and finished before I ordered my Shiloh Sharps, I wouldn't have ordered the Sharps. If you're asking about a XX-90, I think you would like either the 50 or the 45. I have no great experience with either, though, as I only have boring 45-70's . . .
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There are no flies on the Pedersolis, or the .45-90. It has all the power any sane person would ever need, meaning it can handle targets to 1000 yards or more, and kill just about anything that walks. It not difficult to load for, although brass is a bit more than .45-70. You can use .45-70 loading dies, at least I have been able to do so. Most .45-90 shooters go with Starline brass. It's good stuff, although it needs to be annealed. Pretty routine step for us BPCR shooters.
If the price is right, I'd say go for it.
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Well, I got it.
Rifle (sans venier sight), Lyman 3-die set, 100 cases (97 virgin), and I'm into it less than $700.........
I can live with that.
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Are you planning on using black or smokeless?
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Pedersoli is BP only, and that's fine with me.
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I'm a black powder only guy, and have been for years. Do you have a mold, and what are you planning on for bullets?
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Haven't got to the mold part yet...... I figure 500-550 grains, 1-20 to 1-30 cast, but haven't gotten much further than that yet.
Definitely open to suggestions, though.
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The go-to bullet for the .45 BPCRs is a Postell weighing about 535 grs. As good a bullet to start with as any. You can buy them precast from various sources, and prelubed, or you can lube them yourself. SPG lube is a standard. You don't need a lubrisizer. A .060 veggie wad over the powder. If you didn't get one with the rifle, you'll need a compression die. Here is a good guide to get you started, and priced right (free). Some of the stuff is a bit dated, and some I don't agree with, such as sifting powder. You don't need to do that, especially with Swiss. Still, it's a good start with a lot of good info. http://www.ssbpcrc.co.uk/Resources/Introduction%20to%20BPCR%20Loading.pdfFeel free to ask any question you may have, and I'm sure I can help, as can some of the other posters here. Paul
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If you want to hunt, the Lyman 457125 Govt. bullet is in a class by itself. 82 to 85 grains of 2f will push that 520 grain round nosed bullet to something in the neighborhood of 1275 fps and it will shoot through and through any critter you get in your sights. I have killed American bison with it and used it in Africa. So far, I haven't recovered a bullet, as I have gotten complete pass throughs on everything I have shot.
If you want to shoot target at distances over 350 yards, the Lyman Postell 457132 at 535 grains has a better BC and shoots a bit flatter when you get beyond 400 yards.
You will find that the 1-18 twist in your barrel will not give very good accuracy with the lighter bullets, but that Pedersoli barrel is top notch and the 1-18 twist is in love with those two bullets.
Use the same powder charge with either bullet, and cast them at 30-1, and you and your roller will be a couple of happy campers.
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Fellas, I am MUCH appreciating the assistance! Figured out exactly the model. It's a Pedersoli John Bodine model, made specifically for Cherry's Fine Guns of Greensboro, NC, with the double set triggers, and from the breech face to the muzzle it's a 34" barrel. Damn................  The bore slugs to .457", or just a RCH under.
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I figured you took a trip to Cherry's. Their website is quite the pick-me-up if your feeling out of sorts.
Did you know that black powder is an aphrodisiac?
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It wasn't at Cherry's. It was orphaned at a pawn shop in Asheboro.
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It wasn't at Cherry's. It was orphaned at a pawn shop in Asheboro. I hate to see orphans. I've done my best to keep 'em from going to the orphanage when my friends just can't support them anymore. If you made out with 7 bills in it, you did good. Real good. Last I remember that was a 4 digit shootin' iron. You are intending to hunt with it, right?
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If it's a standard, Cherry's lists it for about $1,700. If it's a deluxe (and the wood is rather nice), it's about $2,300. Of course I intend to hunt it. Silly question..........
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Quite a deal you got. Now with all the money you saved you can rationalize buying all the additional junk it takes to play the BPCR game.  A 34" barrel might be a bit unwieldy for hunting. Another problem is fouling, which becomes more of a challenge with the additional length. If you ever decide it's just too much, it would be no big deal to have it lopped shorter. Most silhouette shooters seem to be going with 30", because of the weight limitation and for the offhand chickens. Long range shooters typically go with 32", although there are 34 inchers out there. I had my Shiloh .45-90 cut from 34" to 32", and like it better. I've never gotten into paper punching competition, but I use my .45-90 for gong shooting matches, that is steel out to 1000 yards. Great fun with a great bunch of people. Paul
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Sean, The link in the post above is a great resource fo BPC needs, Harlen is a friend and a all around great guy.
If you like the Roller I do have knowledge of a custom that could be had for the price of a new Pedersoli.
However, my suggestion for a BPC rifle is a HEPBURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nathanial you ever shoot at Alliance?
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VAnimrod--Whatever you do, don't cut the barrel off. Use it at 34". You'll get used to it. Those barrels are made with a taper choke built into the last 4 inches or so toward the muzzle, and this is one reason they have earned their great reputation for accuracy. Cut the barrel off, and you will remove the choke.
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Well that's alright but if you want something that tastes a little better than the bottom of a bog and willow buds.....  ![[Linked Image]](http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/Ranch137/shortyppatch08.jpg)
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I'm diggin' the way this thing looks and handles at 34". She is what she is, and she'll stay that way. If I want a shorter barreled rifle, I'll just have to get one...........
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I think you scored well, and you should have lots of fun and challenges in the coming months. Good luck, 1Minute
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Ranch 13, ET, You guys are no fun at all. You really know how to hurt a fellow stuck on dial up down here. I can't post pictures--what can I say.
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Ranch 13, ET, You guys are no fun at all. You really know how to hurt a fellow stuck on dial up down here. I can't post pictures--what can I say. Hello Wildblue Satellite Service? It only cost us 20 amonth more than the dialup, and the time it saves plus the added things you can do with these machines, its worth it> Nathaniel, I do to and sometimes Paul 39 does as well. Figuring maybe to hit the last monthly shoot over there if the weather straighens up by Sunday. You know anything about long range Shooting at Cheyenne? heard some rumbling the gunslinger bunch is shooting monthly down there.
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Damn, I want to shoot this thing this weekend so bad I'm tempted to grab a box of Rem. .45-70 405s, just to go bang with...... But, I know better.....
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EvilTwin has hooked him another one on the BPCR I see.
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Hell, I wanted a boomer LONG before meeting ET, though ringing 18" steel gongs at 505 yards with a .45-110 and the barrel sight just accelerated plans.......... and then I run into this deal.......... well, that, was that.
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ET had plenty of help from the rest of the BPCR bandits. Paul
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ET had plenty of help from the rest of the BPCR bandits. Paul He don't need no help..............
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Pics: Davide' Pedersoli "John Bodine" Rolling Block, .45/90, 34" heavy octagonal barrel, special run for Cherry's Fine Guns in Greensboro, NC: ![[Linked Image]](http://www.cherrys.com/pedpics/s821_4570b.jpg) To comply with target shooters and hunters requests in the late 1800's, Remington offered "custom built" rifles equipped with "set triggers." Davide Pedersoli & Co. are now pleased to introduce this new version of the famous Rolling Block equipped with "DOUBLE SET TRIGGERS" which enhance the use of this rifle in long range target competition, as well as in hunting. A heavy 30" octagonal barrel with blued matte (anti-glare) finish is used on the model S820 and this same type barrel 34" is on model S821. The comfortable pistol grip type butt stock and forearm are made from selected walnut and the forearm has an inletted German Silver cap. Sights are the same as listed for the Sharps Model S792 and consist of the USA430 Long-Range Creedmoor tang sight and the USA469-R front tunnel sight with inserts. The Rolling Block "John Bodine" offers an excellent choice for shooters who do not prefer the Sharps models and may like the hang, balance and feel of the Rolling Block. Weight: 13.45 lbs. for .45/90 (S821) BLACK POWDER ONLY! Pics: ![[Linked Image]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/VAnimrod/HPIM1513.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/VAnimrod/HPIM1514.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/VAnimrod/HPIM1515.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/VAnimrod/HPIM1516.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/VAnimrod/HPIM1517.jpg) [img] http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/VAnimrod/HPIM1518.jpg[/img]
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Cartridge comparisons. .45-90 and a .223: ![[Linked Image]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/VAnimrod/HPIM1528.jpg) .45-110, .45-90, and a .223: ![[Linked Image]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/VAnimrod/HPIM1529.jpg)
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VAN aren't you glad you didn't get that old roller we had the long conversation about?
Get on the machine get some scrapline 45-90 brass headed your way, some goex cartridge or some 1f and go make some smoke.
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Yep, and yep.
I have 100 Starline cases that came in the deal.
Just found a GOEX distributor within 30-45 minutes of the house.
Bullets, are in the works.
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Oh Lordy, that's pretty!
You may already know this, but primers aren't all that critical with BPCR loads, at least not until you get to the point of fine tuning for accuracy. Especially with the current shortage, just about any LR primer will do, standard or magnum. You don't have to worry about varying components producing excess pressure with BP the way you do with smokeless.
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Just found a GOEX distributor within 30-45 minutes of the house.
If that's the wholesaler over south of Winston, don't forget your driver's license. Not that I would drive anywhere without my license and have to drive all the way back to get it, than drive all the way back over to get powder.  Just a friendly reminder....
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<laughin'> You have no ideas how many times I left the house this week, without that permit............. 
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Oh Lordy, that's pretty!
You may already know this, but primers aren't all that critical with BPCR loads, at least not until you get to the point of fine tuning for accuracy. Especially with the current shortage, just about any LR primer will do, standard or magnum. You don't have to worry about varying components producing excess pressure with BP the way you do with smokeless.
Paul What primer shortage?
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Ranch 13, ET, You guys are no fun at all. You really know how to hurt a fellow stuck on dial up down here. I can't post pictures--what can I say. You dial up [bleep] must be hating me about now.........
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Very nice.
You will have a thread about HUNTING with it I hope?
Silly question...and very sweet rifle!
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Nathaniel, I do to and sometimes Paul 39 does as well. Figuring maybe to hit the last monthly shoot over there if the weather straighens up by Sunday. You know anything about long range Shooting at Cheyenne? heard some rumbling the gunslinger bunch is shooting monthly down there.
I have stopped by Cheyenne and checked out their LR shoot once but have not gone back. Will be in Alliance this weekend, left my camper there in August and need to bring it home. Sausage and eggs Sunday morning?
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Well if we get down there in time, might bum a cup of coffee....
Not sure the way the weather is if I'll make it down or not, but thanks for the offer.
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VAnimrod buys a roller and I found a 45/90 1886 Winchester yesterday. A current production version mind you not an original.
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Hell, I wanted a boomer LONG before meeting ET, though ringing 18" steel gongs at 505 yards with a .45-110 and the barrel sight just accelerated plans.......... and then I run into this deal.......... well, that, was that. Yeah, bangin' a small target that far away WITH AN ORIGINAL RIFLE and OLD style ammunition has a way of warping a brain even faster and farther than usual VA, I goofed and miscounted. I will have 35 paper patched slugs, 540 grainers from Jorge's mold and 15 gg Lyman 125 slugs going out tomorrow with wads and lube ribbons to cookie cut going out tomorrow
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I wish you all would hush. My wallet can't stand a BPCR purchase right now.
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Trade fodder, HBB..... Trade fodder......
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Hillbillybear: I wish you all would hush. My wallet can't stand a BPCR purchase right now. Ain't that the truth. I had never been around BPCR stuff, but a group rolled into our range for a morning shoot, and I had to go over and see what was going on. They started at a 1000 yds to beat the heat waves and worked their way in to the short stuff. That inquisitive moment cost me about 4 grand 6 months later.
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VA, you gotta know that we'll all be waiting for a range report. Meanwhile, here's a bit of inspiration/aspiration for you. Shot with my .45-90 and the load I sent you, Jones Creedmoor bullet. Load was new, not previously tested, 200 yards, no sighters. Paul ![[Linked Image]](http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m88/Paul39/IMG_0112.jpg)
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That is so not fair.
Paul, thank you for the bullets and the information you've provided. I'm still digesting the e-mails, and will respond in time (likely later this week).
I anticipate a range session before the end of the month.
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I anticipate a range session before the end of the month.
You haven't got the time for a range session, what with work and neighbor issues and all. Let me come pick up the gun, and I'll take care of that tedious and sometimes painful process of break in and load development. I'll have it ready to go by next deer season. Or the one after.
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I anticipate a range session before the end of the month.
You haven't got the time for a range session, what with work and neighbor issues and all. Let me come pick up the gun, and I'll take care of that tedious and sometimes painful process of break in and load development. I'll have it ready to go by next deer season. Or the one after. Such generosity............ How can I possibly refuse?
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Mighty nice of 'im ain't it VA?? 'Ceptin' that once the well of the BIG slugs runs dry he's gonna haveta learn to cast big slugs of his own. No matter how ya slice it, gettin' bit by the BP monkey is gonna suck ya in farther and farther and farther....,
Be afraid,be VERY VERY afraid ad triarios redisse My Buddy eh76 speaks authentic Frontier Gibberish!
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Once you find out how well those BIG SLUGS work on game, how accurate they are, and how far you can reach and shoot all the way through things with them, you won't want to shoot anything else. But then, why should you?
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Awwwwm comeon now Sharpsguy, we all know if you ain't got a belted maginum you can't shoot nothing bigger than squirrels. And the best you can hope for is a 350 jacketedy bullet doing 2200 from a 45-70. Why them ol slow big slugs......
Oh and dont forget those bullets best be designed on a computer program cuz them guys that built bullets for the Sharps co didn't know diddly.......
(lots a tongue in cheek in this post)
the most expensive bullet there is isn't worth a plug nickel if it don't go where its supposed to. www.historicshooting.com
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Campfire Kahuna
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Don't own any belted magnums (well, except a P17 .300H&H conversion, that ain't here yet, that will will eventually be a .375H&H).
'06, .221, .243, .303 British (times a lot), .30-30, frontstuffers from .50 and up, .22LRs.....
They just kill schit, and that's what I want them for.
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Ranch--Do you think we oughta tell him to get a Rough and Ready rear barrel sight for his roller and correlate it with a laser rangefinder? Do you think he would want to know how to kill elk at 500 yards? Probably not, but I was just wondering.
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Mean. Just damned mean...........................
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Sharpsguy, no I don't think we'ld ought to even mention he can go to www.montanavintagearms.com and order the rough and ready sight for 90$. Probably don't want to mention anything about making a front sight from a copper penny either. Wouldn't wanna spook him off of the reddot sight with the turkey rectumicle he's dreaming of mounting on that rifle.....
the most expensive bullet there is isn't worth a plug nickel if it don't go where its supposed to. www.historicshooting.com
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