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Was this post intended as a news flash?

Nope. The vote thrown away is the one not based on your conscience. I vote my conscience regardless of party. The person that represents me best gets my vote and it's usually not D or R.

He swore he voted third party and not for McCain.

He gave a list of reasons as to why he could not vote for Mc Cain. He says he'll vote third party again if the candidates do not meet his criteria.

My job was soooo important I didn't have time for the jury pool and didn't register some years in some counties. That's bad but it's how I felt then.

I admit to voting for Bush twice and McCain, Nixon, etc..
I've never seen a Democrat I would vote for. Republican all the way. Some of them have abandoned the platform.

maybe he's on after your bed time or when you're in school, Jason, but Beck is a libertarian who has scalded the GOP for years. but you'd have to have actually listened to him rather than done some google fu to know that.


you completely lack the ability to compare and analyze political positions rationally, son, or to choose among real world alternatives rather than blather on like a two year old about what you want. good thing you don't vote.

Well, doing a search of your past posts, it's difficult to tell where you stand on much of anything, except that you take great glee at panning Republicans. I haven't seen any of the same vitriol directed towards the Dems, or their anti gun programs, or their SCOTUS appointees, or their economic policies, so I have to conclude that you either support or acquiesce to their efforts. If you don't, then say so. Lay out where you stand, instead of making people wonder. Picking on one group while giving the other a pass, or at least little to no criticism, is a good way to let people draw erroneous conclusions. If they ARE erroneous.

Mmm...not really. At least, not a consistent one. He's the same kind of libertarian Bill Maher is: an "I don't much like either the Republicans or the Democrats, so I must be a libertarian" libertarian. Hasn't done much thinking about it.

you couldn't say that if you'd read his books or listened to him much

Both senators from Oklahoma, Vitter from La., Jim DeMint from SC, Cornyn from TX, Thune, Sessions, McConnell.....those are the ones that come to mind first. If you weren't too retared to read a list that analyzes voting records, you could figure this stuff out for yourself.

But these people are, like, elected by voters in their states...and some states simply won't elect the kind of senators I would like. So unless your mommy will let you start a coup and execute the voters who disagree with you, you take it a seat at a time and put in the best available person.

Haven't read any of his books, but I've listened to him plenty.

Kind of a buttwad. Not that that should necessarily be held against him: after all, so am I.

But he's an advocate of the War On Drugs. Conservative, not libertarian.

He's in favor of the USA PATRIOT Act. Conservative, not libertarian.

He's in favor of military force against Iran. Neocon, not libertarian.

And for a libertarian he really had a puzzling animus toward Ron Paul--who is a minarchist libertarian.

He may now be more libertarian-leaning than he was before; but he's got a lot more thinking and contemplation to do before he gets anywhere near actual libertarianism.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1009/McConnell_Bank_bailout_worked.html#

McConnell, who is prone to speaking his mind on policy matters and has a rep as a straight shooter among Dems, saying he thinks the Bush-Paulson-Obama-McCain TARP bailout worked.

For the record...
Congress has voted to reject the automatic raise six times.

Would you agree; the government that governs least governs best?

w4bear, tks for that, it's an encouraging sign.

what happened? I'm assuming that the YEAs let's keep the automatic pay raise won out, since it still goes on.

any idea who proposed the vote?

No I don't, but here's a neat link

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/PDF/crs_congress_raises.pdf

well I see that Vitter proposed the most recent one and Reid didn't want it attached to a spending bill.

IOW's same old chit, I'll give it lip service, but that's about all, they did vote to NOT take the raise next year, but no vote on doing away with the automatic pay raise.

one thing I don't understand they call it a "cost of living adjustment or COLA"

wasn't that the same criteria they used to deny a raise to folks on SS?

Oh Beck will toss in some token griping about republicans a little more often than Limbaugh/Hannity, but at the end of the day it is still the same old bullshit.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/10847/

Glenn Beck: McCain pros & cons

GLENN: Fine, whatever. Gee, I was just trying to give an example of how you could balance it out on both sides. Fine, whatever, Stu.

Here's the actual pros and cons list. On the pros he -- and I believe him -- says that he will nominate conservative judges.

He's consistently pro Second Amendment. Amen to that. That one is a huge one for me.


So is Glenn either ignorant or lying?

Let's see, if I am saying I dislike the republicans since I view their actions as being no different than the democrats, that makes me a democrat supporter how?

As for not bitching about democrats, you won't find me chiming in as the 57th person answering a question in exactly the same way way as 56 people already have that can be found on many threads. There seems to be plenty of posters telling the truth about how bad democrats are, but then those same posters turn around and tout the merits of republicans who have engaged in the exact same actions of the (D)'s they were complaining about (and getting royally pissed when someone points out that discrepancy) which tends to make me doubt the posters' pro-liberty/limited government claims.

Wow that didn't take long did it?

Cornyn is another good example of what I have been talking about.

From: johngopsenators.com (Senator John Cornyn)

Dear Republican Friend,

Unimaginable greed.

Those two words are what we've seen over the past few days as we learn more about the $165 million in bonuses offered to AIG executives.

Help me get that money back by signing the NRSC's "Take Back The Bonuses" petition. And then support the NRSC with a secure online donation of just $5 or more.

My constituents in Texas have been calling my office all week asking "what's going on up there?"
The answer is two other words: liberal Democrats.

They're the ones who are in charge and approved the money for the AIG bailout. And a couple of weeks ago when conservatives and moderates began asking questions, we were told - in not so many words - to mind our own business.

Well, the taxpayer's money is our business.

Frankly, it's unthinkable to me that a company American taxpayers bailed out would hand out bonuses to their executives. Where I come from - and pretty much everywhere except Washington, D.C. - you pay people to succeed - not to fail.

But Harry Reid, Chris Dodd and the liberals who control the White House and Congress have received thousands in campaign contributions from AIG and other Big Money interests. In fact, since 1989, Dodd himself has received over $281,000 - making him the largest recipient of AIG contributions in the Senate. And he and others don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.

We're hoping to generate over 100,000 signatures on our petition. And once we have them, we will deliver them directly to Harry Reid's office to show that hardworking Americans like you think it's high time to Take Back The Bonuses.

Please take a minute to sign the NRSC's petition right now. Then help the NRSC fight to reestablish a conservative majority in Congress to prevent this type of embarrassing situation in the future.

Americans have seen what "change" means to them. More spending, higher taxes, and bonuses paid to greedy bankers and insurance companies for wrecking our economy.

I've had enough, and I think you probably have too.

Please take a moment to join me in working to Take Back The Bonuses by signing the NRSC's petition and making a contribution right now. Thanks.


Thanks again for your support,

Senator John Cornyn
Chairman
National Republican Senatorial Committee

P.S. Chris Dodd was the single largest recipient of money from AIG in the last 19 years, receiving over $281,000. They knew they needed to buy a few favors, and they also knew Dodd would scratch their back when the time came. It's time we demand our money back and send a message to Chris Dodd and other liberal Democrats who spend our money like it's water. Sign our petition to take back the bonuses and make a secure online contribution of $5 or more right now. Thanks again.



Funny, seems as though he was one of the enablers. Is he senile or just lying?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/John_Cornyn_Budget_+_Economy.htm

Inaction on $700B bailout is unacceptable leadership
Noriega assailed Cornyn over his steadfast support of President Bush and his vote for a $700 billion economic bailout, saying Cornyn demonstrated a �herd mentality� on a bailout bill that was loaded with pork projects and intended to help Wall Street mor than Texas families. Cornyn argued that Noriega wouldn�t have taken any action, which he said isn�t acceptable for an elected leader.
The Senate candidates both said those who committed wrongdoing in the financial crisis should be held accountable.

Source: 2008 Texas Senate Debate reported in Dallas Morning News Oct 17, 2008

Voting for $700B bailout demonstrates leadership
The nation�s struggling economy and the $700 billion bailout package Congress approved figured prominently in the debate. Noriega has criticized the bailout as lacking enough reform and Wall Street accountability, while Cornyn--who voted for the package--has said elected leaders must make difficult decisions on big issues.
Source: 2008 Texas Senate Debate reported in Dallas Morning News Oct 17, 2008

I don't know what all that red google fu is supposed to mean....but Cornyn is about as good as senator as there is. And I don't say that just because he goes to the Dallas Safari Club dinners.

And the opinion of an internet punk about issues he is incapable of understanding really doesn't signify, except to you, and maybe your mama.

Let's see, if Cornyn is about as good as it gets and he is sending out fund raising e-mails bitching about the very same program he stumped for and voted for what should that tell anyone who is honest?

The difference in color is to differentiate between what Cornyn said and my comments. The red was for a couple of reasons. One, was the red state thing. Second, (and I doubt this was the rationale for the red state thing) it was an acknowledgement of Carl Schurz, Franz Sigel, and other German 48'ers turned early republican boosters who made the republican party red from the start.