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This R17 is beginning to look and behave an awful lot like the old H205 in the 30/06,and that could be a good thing.I suspect it is faster by a good deal than MRP......(?)

Want data on the 165; I suspect it'll burn 'em

Your post before this one would have been a great time to stop digging that hole...

Not much sucks worse than an NPT....................

Really???

Now this schitt I gotta hear ('specially from a [bleep] that thinks the AMAX is a killer BG bullet)

I gotta have a look at that RL17.

NPT's zook easy,have poor BC's and are the model of inconsistency. None of which horns me up.

The A-Max trumps the NBT in terminal affects(but what don't),while smoking it hard in aerodynamic form,which is a win/win for them who are inclined.

Wasn't long ago you were flapping your yap about logs and now you wanna try boolits,with ME?!!?

That is hilarious................

Yea, all he had to do to get these velocity figures was to exceed the manufactures listed maxium load for a 165gr bullet by 2 grains! Alliant lists 50grs as their max load for 165gr bullet in the 308. MM got these velocities with 52grs! of RL-17.

Sorry but I don't think you can get there without loading to higher than normal pressures......................DJ

Read more,yap less.

"Moly" was plainly mentioned and extrapolates perfectly. As do the rather genorous Remmie SAAMI chamber/throats.............

I pretty much get your point dj. You've been following me around the cyber-playground telling mer this for a few days now.

Why not spring for a lb of '17 and actually shoot it and bring some results back to share.

Hell, I don't know precisely how much pressure I'm generating. My findings are remarkably in line with others who have actually burn't some of this stuff though.

Two grains over, with a loosey-goosey Remington chamber/throat, moly, and roomy brass, is not a shocker to me.

PWC, Surely you aren't so stupid as to think that moly allows you to use bullets 35 grains heavier and use 2 more grains of powder and still stay at the same pressure.

And maybe you should read more and type less the Sierra Game Kings were NOT Moly'd...............DJ

I dunno...

Yesterday I smoked critter #53 with an NPT (I've been gunning them for 15 years now) I can't EVEN see how you think they're inconsistant. If impact happens at 2000 FPS or higher, [bleep] dies. Easy as that.

BC ain't everythign...

And WTF is Zook???

I've shot RL-17 in two different calibers so far. My Velocities tracked near exactly with the factory recommend loads....................DJ

Additionally, RL17 is not what you would call a fast powder by any means, in a 308 case. There just isn't a lot of volume there, relative to bore diameter.

It's very obvious that you do not know and don't think that weren't the crux................

That's fairly thin information.

Chambering, bullet, velocity, bbl length, charge weight, might be informative.

Oh, and the pressure you generated, since that's a big thing with you. And how you calc'd it.

SGK's push easily. Always have,likely always will.

Will moly slow pressure by a grain or more,in a 308 hull? Yes and every time. Will the generous Remmie chamber/throat/bore,bleed pressure in like fashion? Yes and every time.

Will those facets in conjunction,reliably bleed pressure? Yes and every time.

I find it curious,that you wish to reiterate your cluelessness,but such things seem to be in vogue as of late............

Alliant says that it has a "similar burn speed to IMR-4350 but with more speed". So it is slower than most powders you normally use in the 308 but of course it's probably right at the burning speed you'd want for the heavier bullets.

In the Nosler Reloading Guide #6 they list 50.0grs of IMR-4350 as the max load with 180gr bullets. - and at 114% loading density......................DJ

Ahhhhhhhh...she opted to "delete".

Rather good call..............

Or not. It certainly hasn't always been the case for me but then I've only reloaded for 14 different 308 Winchester rifles....................DJ

dj,

This 308 barrel of mine has a few thousand moly'd bullets down it with sparse cleaning.

At this point, sending a few nekkid bullets (the SGKs you referenced) down it is not going to make much difference.