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Last time I looked they were all government lawyers and judges.

"Will he be nice to us George if we carry Milkbones at all times?"
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Attempting to bribe an officer of the law is a serious offense. You could be tazed and bitten! Then arrested and fined.




"Common sense agrees with the Supreme Court."

It used to, anyway. And the Surpreme Court used to always agree with common sense, too.

My, how times have changed.

"Last time I looked they were all government lawyers and judges."


That is a fact. You cannot be either a lawyer or a judge until you've buddied up to the system and promised to play along. Don't believe it? Go against the flow and see how long it takes til you're disbarred.

One in most every crowd!

I new a cop or two down in the old country of Oklahoma, before cops were civilized, that probably had more fleas than their dogs!

"Flee" conjures and image not altogether relevant to the issue from where I'm sitting. "Flee" is probable cause. "Avoid" is another bag of worms entirely. Not unlike the difference between 'cover' and 'concealment'.

I think it a mistake to take what is said in this discussion with narrow focus or interpretation. Life isn't like that and all circumstances are as variable as snowflakes. I am not impolite toward LEOs, nor am I submissive. I don't expect, I demand professional behavior, not only from LEOs, but all government employees. That's my line in the sand so to speak.

I took issue with a Hispanic FHP officer down in Dade County some years back due to his behavior and misconduct. His LT. was not impressed to find out that HE had been lied to and I rather imagine it slowed down the patrolman's career progression, as well it should. Neither was the presiding judge now that I recall it. Funny what a phone call and a few well considered questions can do. Reminds me, just how many times can a cop's father die anyway?

Too, I lived through the River Cops caper down in Dade.....strange times then.

Well, that's a small piece of the foundation upon which I stand. I would help a cop in a bind w/o compunction. Due to the administration of our criminal justice system they are living their own version of Vietnam with no end in sight. Pity is due, help when and if appropriate, and don't think your short hair and barks will cow me. I've seen scarier stuff.

Worked with quite a few ex LEOs in the ATC world. Seemed a popular career progression in the community. Every one of them had their little coffee shop stories about how they screwed somebody over and got away with it. <giggle, giggle>

I'm not laughin' here.

I was in the biz for 30+ years and never screwed anyone. You should report illegal activities from LEO to the proper authorities.

Why not??

I won't answer for anybody else, but for me lying is simply too labor intensive. Much easier to simply tell the truth than to try to remember lies.

George

Daddy always told me I couldn't be a liar, 'cause I wasn't smart enough to remember what I said yesterday. I never forgot that.

I can safely say the same. If someone got cuffed or even summoned by me, they were guilty.

Was thinking of you today Lt. I had to finish up a grant for the new dog after I got back from the Academy. Just finished actually.

George

Pat, that is great advise for all. George said it similar as well. The truth is always the easiest thing to remember.

Lying is just something that isn't a part of my personal code. Under oath, of course, and that's the salient point. It is against the justice system. And I took an oath, btw.

On a practical level, the results aren't worth the cost of lying. So some guy beats the rap? OK, that's the way the system works...imperfectly.

"Guilty" means they're convicted. That wasn't always the case. As I said above, a few beat the rap. Life goes on.

...on the other hand, I alway told myself that I was saving my lies, 'cause one day I would really, really need them! What I found, of course, was that if you never lie about little stuff, you never have to lie about big stuff.

Even though it's semantics, we will disagree here. Guilty means they did it. Convicted means they have been found guilty by the court. I have seen many, many guilty people not convicted.

I have seen many, many guilty people not convicted.
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Sorry about that!

Not my cases, of course. You're still not over that "Fort Dixs "spanking you got, are you?

Is the Troop Commander and presiding judge "proper authorities"?

My point was this: Never should have happened in the first place. It is not a citizens job to police the police.

Glad someone understood my point. That point being my cuffing was not done cause I was bored.