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I in the tomb I mentioned where the three archeologist discovered a king or governor or mayor with all the pottery and figurines they discovered the remains of the person. Along with the remains of the person they discovered a small dinosaur in the same state of decomposition.
I will try to remember the video and from where I got it. Most of the stuff I get, I loan or give to other folks to share the fun of life and discovery. If I find it and you would like me to mail it to you send a PM.
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I in the tomb I mentioned where the three archeologist discovered a king or governor or mayor with all the pottery and figurines they discovered the remains of the person. Along with the remains of the person they discovered a small dinosaur in the same state of decomposition.
Got a reference for the find in a peer reviewed journal?
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slasher Please tell me what Institution of Higher Learning you are referring to... I am curious. As to the length of DNA: http://omega.albany.edu:8008/calc3/vector-functions-dir/dna-solution-m2h.html "i.e. about 2 meters long!" -------------------------------------- "Somebody studied a coli in a petri dish." Is this the way you wanted to write that? "...but you have been known to fly off the handle." Up yours, Buddy!!!!!!!!!!! art Uncle Sam (throat slasher), Auburn, Cornell, and back to Auburn. I bet you're a google speed typist and would have been the first to volunteer for the SS death squads to shoot and hang Jews. You were the cretan who absolutely knew my daughter had died and continued with your vicious, apathetic sarcasm. "...there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Talk to yourself. You're on ignore with some other [bleep] here. Slasher WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have me confused with someone else! First, I have zero idea what you are talking about and second, I am not even remotely close to being racist! Hating someone for their race/religion is not me at all. Further, I have no idea what you are talking about relative to your daughter. I have/had no idea you lost a daughter. And quite frankly, losing kids is something I feel strongly about and would never make light of. I have no idea where your attack came from and I certainly apologize if in some glib moment I said something that offensive, but it was sure unintended... art
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Slasher, Sitka Deer offers an apology. Check it out.
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noKnees, Check out the following quote: I will try to remember the video and from where I got it. Most of the stuff I get, I loan or give to other folks to share the fun of life and discovery. Got a reference for the find in a peer reviewed journal? I will give it a try. But, here's what I have discovered about evolutionists' "peer reviewed" anything. If it has anything that even barely slightly contradicts anything to do with old earth and/or evolutionary believe, it is censored. I remember some years ago the curator of a museum in Canada was fired. Why? Because he accepted some artifacts from an archeologists that were unchallengeable, by their standards, too old for modern human. And yet they were of modern human origin. Life is tough when you live a lie. I will try to get the facts on this also.
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noKnees, Check out the following quote: I will try to remember the video and from where I got it. Most of the stuff I get, I loan or give to other folks to share the fun of life and discovery. Got a reference for the find in a peer reviewed journal? I will give it a try. But, here's what I have discovered about evolutionists' "peer reviewed" anything. If it has anything that even barely slightly contradicts anything to do with old earth and/or evolutionary believe, it is censored. I remember some years ago the curator of a museum in Canada was fired. Why? Because he accepted some artifacts from an archeologists that were unchallengeable, by their standards, too old for modern human. And yet they were of modern human origin. Life is tough when you live a lie. I will try to get the facts on this also. You are the only person that I have ever known who calls modern evolutionary science a lie. I think your Bible Christianity makes you bias and prejudice.
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The "what at first glance may seem a slight ambiguity as contradiction" is the whole point. A first glance, a second glance, a third glance, and hundreds of glances give the same results when reading the words from my RSV. There is no ambiguity. One must assume ambiguity and look for clues to try to get it to say something else. This is the problem I have with literalists. Every word is absolute truth unless you have to ignore what it says and try to look for "clues" to determine what you think it should mean. If it means what the words say, that is great. If it does not mean what the words say, that is great too. Consistency demands that you either say it is true, every word perfect, (EDIT) and try to find ways around the passages that seem inconsistent (END EDIT) or realize that the inconsistencies are there (EDIT) and accept them as part of the message (END EDIT). The inconsistencies do not bother me one bit. They do not detract from my understanding of Scripture and the message it communicates.
Your seem to claim to have the only true Bible and to know the only correct and completely consistent interpretation of the word of God. Lots of other people with different views have the same belief about themselves.
You never typed out the quotes from your Bible. You only threw out a few words from your Bible that are not in mine to try to say that my Bible is wrong.
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The "what at first glance may seem a slight ambiguity as contradiction" is the whole point. A first glance, a second glance, a third glance, and hundreds of glances give the same results when reading the words from my RSV. There is no ambiguity. One must assume ambiguity and look for clues to try to get it to say something else. This is the problem I have with literalists. Every word is absolute truth unless you have to ignore what it says and try to look for "clues" to determine what you think it should mean. If it means what the words say, that is great. If it does not mean what the words say, that is great too. Consistency demands that you either say it is true, every word perfect, (EDIT) and try to find ways around the passages that seem inconsistent (END EDIT) or realize that the inconsistencies are there (EDIT) and accept them as part of the message (END EDIT). The inconsistencies do not bother me one bit. They do not detract from my understanding of Scripture and the message it communicates.
Your seem to claim to have the only true Bible and to know the only correct and completely consistent interpretation of the word of God. Lots of other people with different views have the same belief about themselves.
You never typed out the quotes from your Bible. You only threw out a few words from your Bible that are not in mine to try to say that my Bible is wrong. I have several translations of the Bible, and I've never read first and second Genesis as contradictory in the least. You have to be looking intentionally to turn slight apparent ambiguity into contradiction to do that.
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I am just looking for the truth. You see ambiguities, I don't. Inconsistencies would seem to bother you but don't bother me. I am glad you are as happy with your interpretation as I am with mine.
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I make no pretense of knowing the Bible, but I think you guys are debating a red herring here.
Can't you find just about ANYTHING in that book? To include many, many internal contradictions?
I understand that it contains a creation myth that many subscribe to, and this is what this thread has evolved into (har har)- a Creation v. Evolution redux.
I guess I'm trying to say that a book of myth and fable, written by confused men over centuries, rife with contradiction, seems like a pretty silly thing to hold up as Exhibit A against a deep, wide scientific theory backed by literally mounds of physical evidence.
More bluntly, I'm calling BS on the entire premise of Bible Creationist v. Evolution debate. It's like putting a book of poetry against Newtonian physics. Sillyness on the face of it.
Now, if one views the Bible as an allegory; a telling of the human creatures' emergence as an intellectual and spiritual animal, then on philosophical grounds it's interesting to look at how people saw themselves, and the world around them, at a time when we were "waking up".
But Bible v. Science is no contest.
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derby_dude, You are the only person that I have ever known who calls modern evolutionary science a lie. I think your Bible Christianity makes you bias and prejudice. In case you haven't discovered it yet, I can help you. We all have a bias. We all interpret the same evidence from our world view resulting from our biases. I used to be an atheistic evolutionist. Some facts by an evolutionist cause me to doubt my atheism. It was so devestating to my psyche I consulted a shrink. Eventually I started believing in Infinite Intelegent Energy. Finally I became a Christian and read the Bible to discover my new bias. I concluded if God is Infinite, then He is able to protect His Word. Therefore I read it in the same manner I read the posts here.
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Jeff_O, But Bible v. Science is no contest. In your limited darkened mind, you think it is modern man against aceint ignoramasus. Perhaps you didn't know it but all the scientist who brought us out of the dark ages were Bible creationist. They believe God made a stable universe so that laws could be discovered. The evolutionist has to borrow from the Bible world view in order to do science. There are many PhD scientist who became creationists after they earned thier doctrates. Because you call "BS" means nothing to the debate.
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I guess I'm trying to say that a book of myth and fable, written by confused men over centuries, rife with contradiction, seems like a pretty silly thing to hold up as Exhibit A against a deep, wide scientific theory backed by literally mounds of physical evidence.
Are you describing the Bible or your collection of posts?!
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Jeff_O,
There are many PhD scientist who became creationists after they earned thier doctrates. Because you call "BS" means nothing to the debate. "many" is probably an overstatement. The last decent estimate I have seen is that in the US about 98.5% of life scientists in the US believe in evolution. Remember that that is in the US where belief is in creationism is much higher than in europe and asia. In my time in science starting in 1992 I have yet to meet a Ph.D level biologist that did not believe in evolution.
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noknees,
If you want to know what happens to someone who even asks about creation, rent the movie "EXPELLED". Any scientist or professor who accedently or purposely hints at creation looses thier job. Don't give me cleche's, rent the movie. You know, it's like be informed before you argue.
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Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation Dr. William Arion, Biochemistry, Chemistry Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist Dr. Don Batten, Plant Physiologist Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics Dr. Rob Carter, Marine Biology Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiology Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist Dr. Bob Compton, DVM Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research Dr. Andr� Eggen, Geneticist Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History Dr. Stephen Grocott, Chemist Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics Dr. John Hartnett, Physics Dr. Mark Harwood, Engineering (satellite specialist) Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist Dr. Harold R. 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Jones, Plastic Surgeon Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry Dr. Johan Kruger, Zoology Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology Dr. John Leslie, Biochemist Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist Dr. Alan Love, Chemist Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist: Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist Dr. Ronald C. Marks, Associate Professor of Chemistry Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist Dr. John McEwan, Chemist Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics Dr. David Menton, Anatomist Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist Colin W. Mitchell, Geography Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918�2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research. Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher Prof. John Oller, Linguistics Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology) Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon Prof. Richard Porter Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology Dr. Jonathan Sarfati, Physical Chemistry Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist: Dr. Ian Scott, Educator Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics Dr. Emil Silvestru, Geology Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915�1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist: Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892�1979) Surgeon Dr. Tas Walker, Geology/Engineering Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology) Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist Dr. Carl Wieland, Medicine/Surgery Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997) Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology Is there evidence of discrimination against creation scientists? Contemporary suppression of the theistic worldview Do creation scientists publish in secular journals? Do creationists publish in notable refereed journals? Bias in higher education Peer pressure and truth Revolutionary Atmospheric Invention by Victim of Anti-creationist Discrimination Science magazine refuses to hire creationist Which scientists of the past believed in a Creator? As far as we know, the scientists of the past listed here believed in a literal Genesis unless indicated with an asterisk. The ones who did not are nevertheless included in the list below because of their general belief in the creator God of the Bible and opposition to evolution. But because the idea that the earth is �millions of years� old has been disastrous in the long run, no present day �long-agers� are included intentionally, because we submit that they should know better.
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Early Francis Bacon (1561�1626) Scientific method. However, see also Culture Wars:
Galileo Galilei (1564�1642) (WOH) Physics, Astronomy (see also The Galileo affair: history or heroic hagiography? Johann Kepler (1571�1630) (WOH) Scientific astronomy Athanasius Kircher (1601�1680) Inventor John Wilkins (1614�1672) Walter Charleton (1619�1707) President of the Royal College of Physicians Blaise Pascal (biography page) and article from Creation magazine (1623�1662) Hydrostatics; Barometer Sir William Petty (1623 �1687) Statistics; Scientific economics Robert Boyle (1627�1691) (WOH) Chemistry; Gas dynamics John Ray (1627�1705) Natural history Isaac Barrow (1630�1677) Professor of Mathematics Nicolas Steno (1631�1686) Stratigraphy Thomas Burnet (1635�1715) Geology Increase Mather (1639�1723) Astronomy Nehemiah Grew (1641�1712) Medical Doctor, Botany The Age of Newton Isaac Newton (1642�1727) (WOH) Dynamics; Calculus; Gravitation law; Reflecting telescope; Spectrum of light (wrote more about the Bible than science, and emphatically affirmed a Creator. Some have accused him of Arianism, but it�s likely he held to a heterodox form of the Trinity�See Pfizenmaier, T.C., Was Isaac Newton an Arian? Journal of the History of Ideas 68(1):57�80, 1997) Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646�1716) Mathematician John Flamsteed (1646�1719) Greenwich Observatory Founder; Astronomy William Derham (1657�1735) Ecology Cotton Mather (1662�1727) Physician John Harris (1666�1719) Mathematician John Woodward (1665�1728) Paleontology William Whiston (1667�1752) Physics, Geology John Hutchinson (1674�1737) Paleontology Johathan Edwards (1703�1758) Physics, Meteorology Carolus Linneaus (1707�1778) Taxonomy; Biological classification system Jean Deluc (1727�1817) Geology Richard Kirwan (1733�1812) Mineralogy William Herschel (1738�1822) Galactic astronomy; Uranus (probably believed in an old-earth) James Parkinson (1755�1824) Physician (old-earth compromiser*) John Dalton (1766�1844) Atomic theory; Gas law John Kidd, M.D. (1775�1851) Chemical synthetics (old-earth compromiser*) Just Before Darwin The 19th Century Scriptural Geologists, by Dr. Terry Mortenson Timothy Dwight (1752�1817) Educator William Kirby (1759�1850) Entomologist Jedidiah Morse (1761�1826) Geographer Benjamin Barton (1766�1815) Botanist; Zoologist John Dalton (1766�1844) Father of the Modern Atomic Theory; Chemistry Georges Cuvier (1769�1832) Comparative anatomy, paleontology (old-earth compromiser*) Samuel Miller (1770�1840) Clergy Charles Bell (1774�1842) Anatomist John Kidd (1775�1851) Chemistry Humphrey Davy (1778�1829) Thermokinetics; Safety lamp Benjamin Silliman (1779�1864) Mineralogist (old-earth compromiser*) Peter Mark Roget (1779�1869) Physician; Physiologist Thomas Chalmers (1780�1847) Professor (old-earth compromiser*) David Brewster (1781�1868) Optical mineralogy, Kaleidoscope (probably believed in an old-earth) William Buckland (1784�1856) Geologist (old-earth compromiser*) William Prout (1785�1850) Food chemistry (probably believed in an old-earth) Adam Sedgwick (1785�1873) Geology (old-earth compromiser*) Michael Faraday (1791�1867) (WOH) Electro magnetics; Field theory, Generator Samuel F.B. Morse (1791�1872) Telegraph John Herschel (1792�1871) Astronomy (old-earth compromiser*) Edward Hitchcock (1793�1864) Geology (old-earth compromiser*) William Whewell (1794�1866) Anemometer (old-earth compromiser*) Joseph Henry (1797�1878) Electric motor; Galvanometer Just After Darwin Richard Owen (1804�1892) Zoology; Paleontology (old-earth compromiser*) Matthew Maury (1806�1873) Oceanography, Hydrography (probably believed in an old-earth*) Louis Agassiz (1807�1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology (old-earth compromiser, polygenist*) Henry Rogers (1808�1866) Geology James Glaisher (1809�1903) Meteorology Philip H. Gosse (1810�1888) Ornithologist; Zoology Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810�1895) Archeologist James Simpson (1811�1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology James Dana (1813�1895) Geology (old-earth compromiser*) Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817�1901) Agricultural Chemist James Joule (1818�1889) Thermodynamics Thomas Anderson (1819�1874) Chemist Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819�1900) Astronomy George Stokes (1819�1903) Fluid Mechanics John William Dawson (1820�1899) Geology (probably believed in an old-earth*) Rudolph Virchow (1821�1902) Pathology Gregor Mendel (1822�1884) (WOH) Genetics Louis Pasteur (1822�1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization Henri Fabre (1823�1915) Entomology of living insects William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824�1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable (believed in an older earth than the Bible indicates, but far younger than the evolutionists wanted*) William Huggins (1824�1910) Astral spectrometry Bernhard Riemann (1826�1866) Non-Euclidean geometries Joseph Lister (1827�1912) Antiseptic surgery Balfour Stewart (1828�1887) Ionospheric electricity James Clerk Maxwell (1831�1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics P.G. Tait (1831�1901) Vector analysis John Bell Pettigrew (1834�1908) Anatomist; Physiologist John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842�1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases Sir William Abney (1843�1920) Astronomy Alexander MacAlister (1844�1919) Anatomy A.H. Sayce (1845�1933) Archeologist John Ambrose Fleming (1849�1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve Early Modern Period Dr. Clifford Burdick, Geologist George Washington Carver (1864�1943) Inventor L. Merson Davies (1890�1960) Geology; Paleontology Douglas Dewar (1875�1957) Ornithologist Howard A. Kelly (1858�1943) Gynecology Paul Lemoine (1878�1940) Geology Dr. Frank Marsh, Biology Dr. John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer Edward H. Maunder (1851�1928) Astronomy William Mitchell Ramsay (1851�1939) Archeologist William Ramsay (1852�1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation Charles Stine (1882�1954) Organic Chemist Dr. Arthur Rendle-Short (1885�1955) Surgeon Dr. Larry Butler, Biochemist
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If you want to know what happens to someone who even asks about creation, rent the movie "EXPELLED". Any scientist or professor who accedently or purposely hints at creation looses thier job. Don't give me cleche's, rent the movie. You know, it's like be informed before you argue. I see that its at Net flix, Ill take a look but its contrary to my experience. In my experience scientists that provide evidence contrary to dogma are very well received IF there works stands up to review and scruitny. In fact some of the most highly regarded biologists are ones who went against the grain. I could site many examples of this, and for each one there is a case where someone announces something that doesn't stand up to review. In science if you make a claim and it turns out to be grossly unsupported it will cost in terms of funding etc. Do it a a couple of times and you be ostracized. Back when I was working in the lab, our group tested and repeated some of the results of Andy Fire and Craig Mello, who basicly set entire field of gene regulation on its head. When there results were first announced there were many sceptics, more so because Andy was not a long established investigator. Did Andy and Craig's work receive a very very close look? yes, but once a few dozen labs tested and confirmed their work the change to Dogma was accepted. Craig and Andy won the 2006 Nobel
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Equal to a million years? Hows come them bacteria's weren't walking by then? Heck, at least crawlin around. Was them short bus e. coli?
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noknees,
Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation
Its a pretty small list when you consider the 3.5 million or so Life Scientists. I see at the bottom of the list you say that Science magazine won't hire a person who believes in creationsim is there any reference for this?
The collection of taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny. Under this Republic the rewards of industry belong to those who earn them. Coolidge
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Jeff, if you're referring to me, you're way off base. I'm the guy who started this thread. I fully accept the reality of evolution by natural selection. In fact, I have always found the subject fascinating, and its evidentiary support compelling in the extreme. I also believe the Bible to be the inspired and inerrant word of God (not a book of ancient myths). After many years of studying both subjects, I find no contradiction.
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Jeff, if you're referring to me, you're way off base. I'm the guy who started this thread. I fully accept the reality of evolution by natural selection. In fact, I have always found the subject fascinating, and its evidentiary support compelling in the extreme. I also believe the Bible to be the inspired and inerrant word of God (not a book of ancient myths). After many years of studying both subjects, I find no contradiction. Many scientists think this way because there evolution says nothing about the existence of God. The two are not mutually exclusive. John
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