Crossbows are easier for the first shot. Any follow-ups give the advantage to the Compound. I guess since I've run into yahoo's from Montana that must make most people form there incompetent and therefore should be banned from the woods. Somebody surely needs to give you a hug, and a pat on the head. Ignorance must be bliss.
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Wow the crossbow lobby is really busy on here. Did not know that much money was in it. I know guys pushing the same agenda have been kicked off other archery sites.
Won't change my mind. I am sure the NY bowhunters will defeat this.
I guess if they do allow cross guns a 30-06 would be fine to use too in archery season. After all why would you deny me, a decorated combat veteran, my freedom to choose?
I wouldn't be against a separate season if that's what it took to allow them. I just don't think it's necessary. What the people of NY decide is their right and privilege.
I don't see how a rifle can be considered archery, but I do see how a crossBOW could. Not that big of a stretch.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
ribka you could use that .22 that shoots a bolt hell its a bolt thats all that matters right?
AJackass I am not against them I just have the common sense to know that if your going to allow them, then it needs to be in their own season.
You know how many people I see come into the shop asking about crossbows that have zero clue? It amazes me they don't even know how to operate it. They don't know the hunting regs. It is a train wreck. I would say 1 out of 50 that inquire about crossbows knows anything. Compared to 40 out of 50 that come in about bows.
It is a big difference up here in the Northeast compared to say Covington County AL. Seeing as how I have hunted both I do have the first hand experiance.
ribka you could use that .22 that shoots a bolt hell its a bolt thats all that matters right?
AJackass I am not against them I just have the common sense to know that if your going to allow them, then it needs to be in their own season.
You know how many people I see come into the shop asking about crossbows that have zero clue? It amazes me they don't even know how to operate it. They don't know the hunting regs. It is a train wreck. I would say 1 out of 50 that inquire about crossbows knows anything. Compared to 40 out of 50 that come in about bows.
It is a big difference up here in the Northeast compared to say Covington County AL. Seeing as how I have hunted both I do have the first hand experiance.
Off subject but grew up in rural WI in the 1970's and poaching was a part of the culture there. Our family didn't but all of my friends who lived on farms did. My buddy used to take a 20 gauge double barrel and take out the shot in the shell and stick arrows in the barrel then shoot deer with it. Good out to about 30 yds.
Off subject but grew up in rural WI in the 1970's and poaching was a part of the culture there. Our family didn't but all of my friends who lived on farms did. My buddy used to take a 20 gauge double barrel and take out the shot in the shell and stick arrows in the barrel then shoot deer with it. Good out to about 30 yds.
Reminds me of a x bow
"Crossbows the lazy man's archery alternative"
If you're against them in principle, that's fine, I don't want to use one either, but you haven't answered any posts regarding the fact that there haven't been any problems in other states(Ohio for one) that use crossbows. I believe your arguments of idiots in the woods(they're there already), shortening seasons, and an adverse effect on the deer population are unfounded. Comparing legal crossbow users to poachers is a little out there too.
The first deer hunt I went on was with my dad in 1947. Being raised on an Adirondack farm I learned the value of game laws. I, also, began to realize that many of those laws were enacted by folks who knew little about the realities of the wilderness and wild game. Many of those laws were enacted on an emotional bases or some kind of bias mostly effected by down state politicians. Little has changed.
I watched with disdain the development of the Adirondack Park Agency and the encroachment of the "Forever Wild" laws which brought about gradual destruction of the Adirondack culture and lifestyle. Our villages diminished, jobs left, and businesses were forced to close but the "Forever Wild" laws remain.
The one thing that was vastly missing was the application of common sense developed from factual life experiences from living on and maintaining the land.
I think am seeing the same lack being postulated and applied to the anti-crossbow arguments here.
I hope that "Crossbows the lazy man's archery alternative" does not apply to me. I am 72yrs old, working hard daily to hold down a full time job, still hunt small game, large game, fish, and am well acquainted with Victors, Conibea, Boyds and even use antique Newhouse.
Due to a deteriorating back (crushed disc) I think I would like to try the crossbow. Primitive, light, quiet, though a bit clumsy, and an efficient, humane killer. Given the facts from other states there is no reason for a separate season, no noticeable increase in the number of hunters, no measurable increase in game killed, I would like the privilege of hunting the full season with one. It could potentially give me a few more years to hunt.
Where am I wrong?
Thanks,
Jim
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The first deer hunt I went on was with my dad in 1947. Being raised on an Adirondack farm I learned the value of game laws. I, also, began to realize that many of those laws were enacted by folks who knew little about the realities of the wilderness and wild game. Many of those laws were enacted on an emotional bases or some kind of bias mostly effected by down state politicians. Little has changed.
I watched with disdain the development of the Adirondack Park Agency and the encroachment of the "Forever Wild" laws which brought about gradual destruction of the Adirondack culture and lifestyle. Our villages diminished, jobs left, and businesses were forced to close but the "Forever Wild" laws remain.
The one thing that was vastly missing was the application of common sense developed from factual life experiences from living on and maintaining the land.
I think am seeing the same lack being postulated and applied to the anti-crossbow arguments here.
I hope that "Crossbows the lazy man's archery alternative" does not apply to me. I am 72yrs old, working hard daily to hold down a full time job, still hunt small game, large game, fish, and am well acquainted with Victors, Conibea, Boyds and even use antique Newhouse.
Due to a deteriorating back (crushed disc) I think I would like to try the crossbow. Primitive, light, quiet, though a bit clumsy, and an efficient, humane killer. Given the facts from other states there is no reason for a separate season, no noticeable increase in the number of hunters, no measurable increase in game killed, I would like the privilege of hunting the full season with one. It could potentially give me a few more years to hunt.
Where am I wrong?
Thanks,
Jim
You can already use a hold back device on a bow. A few hoops to jump through to get permission but NY already has an option for hunters who are injured.
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A simple note from your Dr. denoting a disability is all it takes to use a cross bow in most states during archery season. I know lots of guys that get them. Very few have actual disabilities but that is their business.
A simple note from your Dr. denoting a disability is all it takes to use a cross bow in most states during archery season. I know lots of guys that get them. Very few have actual disabilities but that is their business.
A simple note from your Dr. denoting a disability is all it takes to use a cross bow in most states during archery season. I know lots of guys that get them. Very few have actual disabilities but that is their business.
not that easy in nys.
-ken
You can get a permit to use a hold back device on a bow. One quick form and $5, compared to most crap in NY its easy.
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