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30K is chump change in the big scheme of things especially when you consider the % of GDP we spent during the Cold War years and we didn't blink an eye or go broke either. NK has the CHICOMS behind them and we were there as a deterrent during the Cold War years. Surely you didn't object to that then? What is killing us are entitlements, big government, over-regulation and kookery over "going green". jorge Yep, all those things, plus maintaining a world-wide empire.
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trips, you obviously don't grasp the military and political significance of that tripwire detachment. which doesn't really surprise me in view of some of the other blather you post on foreign policy questions.
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Empire? we haven't the first CLUE on how to be imperialists. But like I said before (and you ignored) we spent a hell of al lot more during the Cold War years as a percent of GDP and it didn't even register. If it was up to isolationists like you, the Iron Curtain would presently be on the Rio Grande...jorge
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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you have to have one of their RP glossaries, Jorge:
empire = all foreign allies
unconstitional = any policy they disagree with
Neo-con = anyone who subscribes to the defense policies that won the cold war and doesn't favor isolationism
criminal suspect = captured al Quida combatants
torture = fratboy hazing of one of the above
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if you even insinuate the possibility it was an inside job, you are well on your way to kookery. jorge Yeah, treachery among men in positions of power should never be considered. I guess we should just ignore the many warnings over the centuries from prominent Americans from the Founding Fathers, to Abe Lincoln, to Eisenhower, and uncounted others, then. As for me, I am always open to its potential among men in power, and will always look at evidence for or against it dispassionately. Hawk, the one HUGE reason I don't buy into conspiracy theories is because a conspiracy of that magnitude would be impossible to keep secret. If it was under the GOP, the Dems would spill the beans for the political capital they would gain, and vice-versa. If you start with the premise that most politicians are scum, you'll understand that there is no way that 9/11 could be an inside job because someone would tell all.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. --H. L. Mencken www.oregonfirearms.org
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you have to have one of their RP glossaries, Jorge:
empire = all foreign allies
unconstitional = any policy they disagree with
Neo-con = anyone who subscribes to the defense policies that won the cold war and doesn't favor isolationism
criminal suspect = captured al Quida combatants
torture = fratboy hazing of one of the above
yup...jorge
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if you even insinuate the possibility it was an inside job, you are well on your way to kookery. jorge Yeah, treachery among men in positions of power should never be considered. I guess we should just ignore the many warnings over the centuries from prominent Americans from the Founding Fathers, to Abe Lincoln, to Eisenhower, and uncounted others, then. As for me, I am always open to its potential among men in power, and will always look at evidence for or against it dispassionately. Hawk, the one HUGE reason I don't buy into conspiracy theories is because a conspiracy of that magnitude would be impossible to keep secret. If it was under the GOP, the Dems would spill the beans for the political capital they would gain, and vice-versa. If you start with the premise that most politicians are scum, you'll understand that there is no way that 9/11 could be an inside job because someone would tell all. +1 on that. The problem I have with people who are always spouting off about big government conspiracies is the fact that their beliefs are predicated on the premise that the government is competent enough to successfully execute a large conspiracy. The government isn't competent at anything... except being incompetent.
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Hey Jorge is there over 200 US military installations throughout the world today? Ya think they are all necessary or could a good percentage be cut back?
Also if they serve as a tripwire, who is out there to trip all those locations?
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The United States has, since it's inception had a hand in international issues and while I fully admit our track record also reflects political naivete (as in trying to turn tribal based societies into western-style democracies) any nation that has ever attempted isolationism loses out in the end. Since you make that concession, I'll make one as well. To an extent, I believe we do have to play a part in international affairs as well as have a military presence overseas. It's the part where we go overboard protecting every whiny piss-ant country around or let our not so intelligent intelligence departments stick their nose in the affairs of foreign countries. Where we probably differ is to what extent we should be involved. In my opinion, we'd be a lot further ahead if we scaled back about 80-90% of our overseas efforts. Plus one.
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Hey Jorge is there over 200 US military installations throughout the world today? Ya think they are all necessary or could a good percentage be cut back?
Also if they serve as a tripwire, who is out there to trip all those locations? Absolutely, and use those monies to build back our offensive striking power by building our Navy back up from it's current, pathetic 230 plus ships. Don't know about that 200 number though, but where do you suggest we cut down? jorge
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you have to have one of their RP glossaries, Jorge:
empire = all foreign allies
unconstitional = any policy they disagree with
Neo-con = anyone who subscribes to the defense policies that won the cold war and doesn't favor isolationism
criminal suspect = captured al Quida combatants
torture = fratboy hazing of one of the above
lol Good one. Now let's try a Neocon version. Lady's guild = anyone with a brain Bush = conservative Constitution = anything bendable or that can be ignored Threat = anyone who doesn't live below the Mason Dixon line Evening news = Rush, Hannity or O'reilly Foreign nationals = terrorists Conservative = Evangelical Trade agreements = sign with any 3rd world country that won't be able to buy our products in return Budgets = smudgets. If Dems don't need to worry about them, neither do we lol Should start a whole Neocon to English translation thread
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Now let's try a Neocon version.
Lady's guild = anyone with a brain Can't help you there
Bush = conservative:Sorry but no.
Constitution = anything bendable or that can be ignored: example???
Threat = anyone who doesn't live below the Mason Dixon line.
Absolutely a true statement, but we can further define it to all the loser states in the NE that voted for Obama. You know like Pennsylvania..
Evening news = Rush, Hannity or O'reilly: Rush is not a newscaster and O'Reilly is anything BUT conservative
Foreign nationals = terrorists
Conservative = Evangelical Delusional there
Trade agreements = sign with any 3rd world country that won't be able to buy our products in return Nonsense
Budgets = smudgets. If Dems don't need to worry about them, neither do we
lol
Should start a whole Neocon to English translation thread
[b][/b] And I'm still waiting for a definition of a neocon from the isolationists crowd, but from the above diatribe I doubt I'll ever get it. jorge
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And I'm still waiting for a definition of a neocon from the isolationists crowd....
Easiest way for me to describe one would be - Take a liberal, sprinkle in a dash of irrational fear and then add a desire to force our nation building efforts on the rest of the world and you're pretty close to the definition.
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Common sense will never dissuade the warmongers.
Warmongering is as much of a sickness as liberalism.
There's a reason why war gets away with being the health of the state.
There's a mentality which exists that worships war,...and a government can transfer that worship to itself by engaging in it.
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Don't know what are where to cut down but Steve_NO said those installations serve as tripwires. So was wanting to know just who is out there to require that many locations. Mayby its like everything else...once ya got em its hard to do away with any of them.
Agree with a big buildup of the Navy. The more ships and boats the better. Ya go where and when the need arises.
But like I asked, who is out there that requires all these installations around the world...on a day in day out bases?
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And I'm still waiting for a definition of a neocon from the isolationists crowd, but from the above diatribe I doubt I'll ever get it. jorge Definition: A NeoCon spends like a liberal, creates more government like a socialist, subscribes to a evangelical approach to citizens private lives, rationalizes empire building under the catch-all "national security", and doesn't care if he votes for a liberal-socialist as long as the candidate of his choice sports an "R" after his name........ Casey
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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Don't worry, we'll be leaving Korea soon enough. Before too long the Chinese will ask us to before they buy some more of our AAA rated bonds.
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Don't worry, we'll be leaving Korea soon enough. Before too long the Chinese will ask us to before they buy some more of our AAA rated bonds.  Now that's putting it in perspective...... Casey
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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Best definition I've seen!
Definition:
A NeoCon spends like a liberal, creates more government like a socialist, subscribes to a evangelical approach to citizens private lives, rationalizes empire building under the catch-all "national security", and doesn't care if he votes for a liberal-socialist as long as the candidate of his choice sports an "R" after his name........
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