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As an owner of one 15 and three 10s, I am about to say the forbidden. The AR platform is obsolete. I just got my Benelli MR-1 yesterday and it is a generation ahead of any AR. No puking in its guts, no clunky gas tube system, shorter, lighter and less moving mass in operation. The ARGO system (used in the M4 and R-1) is simple, clean and rugged. It also shoots sub MOA groups as issued. I'm sure a 308 version will be coming soon...droolin! One thing for sure, my DPMS Sweet 16 will be sold as soon as I return to WY. Save your "expert" opinions until you get your hands on one. ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/pix149782890.jpg)
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First off, your "opinion" here doesn't mean chit to any of us  Your a no nothing blowhard, please leave and take your opinion's with you................FOAD
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Ill keep my AR's and M16 thank you.
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Good luck with spare parts and accessories.
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Could be a start. Of course how modular is that platform? I dunno as I"ve never had it, but I do recall you bragging on it a while back, but evidently you'd never had one before now?
What other calibers are coming. Scope mounts easy?
What ya want for the 15 or the 10s?
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So you must have done some extensive testing in the 24 hours you have had it.
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Where to start: My R-1s have seen several 1000 rounds with no "parts needed" Seems the USMC is finding the M4 to work just fine (same gas system) You should keep your ARs and M16s....heaven forbid you should try anything new. What accessories do you suggest I need and can't get? Maybe lights, lasers, bayonets and all the other crap wannabes clutter up their rifles with. Jimmy, didn't you teachers ever tell you that attacking the person with the opinion will never win a debate? Not covered in the GED? You own how many MR-1s? You have even seen one? When in doubt and having nothing else to offer call names...it makes you a really effective advocate. Hope you're all around, cash in hand when I put my ARs up for sale....(LAFFIN) Here's a preview of two of them plus a NIB lower and a couple of my R-1s: ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/DSCN2713.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/DSCN2714.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/DSCN2924.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/DSCN3062.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/benelli.jpg)
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The AR15 is to rifles what the 1911 is to pistols.
It's not going anywhere.
47 years in service in various stages of evolution. It's got to be the longest serving standard-issue military rifle in our country's history.
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Good luck finding someone to buy your crappy AR's on this site...
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I'm still waiting to be convinced that the M1Garand is obsolete.  whelennut
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Excuse me....I need to go filet a grouper.
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I'm still waiting to be convinced that the M1Garand is obsolete. whelennut +1
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How much do the Benelli MR-1's cost?
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I'm still waiting to be convinced that the M1Garand is obsolete. whelennut +1 +2 and add the M14
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How much do the Benelli MR-1's cost? Around $1200
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Greg, you advocate for ARs but mine are crappy? Why don't you pack up your sorry AZZ and take a trip down to DPMS and tell them what crap they make? You might clear the sidewalk before you landed. They will sell because they are fine ARs with valuable extras, and BTW, this site is not the only venue to sell guns (DUH)!
MM, agree they aren't going anywhere, heck we still have tricked out M-14s doing duty as the military has been too stupid to get a decent 308 semi-auto in wide issue. That doesn't change the fact that the ARGO system is superior to the "puke in your mouth" AR system (As your fellow Marines knew when they selected the M4 shotgun).
Resistance to change is human nature but Don't forget all the stories of the Devil Dogs in the Pacific who followed the Army guys around to pick up their M-1s (and dump their 03s) when the Army guys got shot.
I'd love to put a pile of M 14s and a second pile of M 4 223s in front of a bunch of Marines "over there" with a free choice of which to carry.......
Whelennut. Agree, still think my ancient, obsolete NM M-1 would clean the clock of any 223 AR once we got out to serious shooting distances (300+). You can also buttstroke someone with it and the stock won't break off.
Palmetto mine was $1300 delivered w/FFL fee and paid by CC. There are cheaper ARs and a lot more expensive ones. Benelli will also be "legal" in many areas that ban the "evil AR".
Hopefully (as with the R-1) they will offer barrel interchangability so the whole 223 base family could appear over time and when the 308 version comes out...oh boy! A 338 Federal version with a low X scope. Backpacker/hunter's dream out where I live with Mr Griz or for Elk.
Finally to you utes, just because you disagree, does not confer "being right" on you. It just means you disagree, so grow up and realize people can differ and still be civil. I happen to like the 300 H&H but that doesn't mean I won't hunt with my buddy who shoots a 300 WinMag.
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oldman1942 talking......still
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Some may think the AR is ugly but i truly believe they are beautiful rifle. I'm not resistant to change but i will stick with the AR platform. The AR will be obsolete when the last enemy of this country is buried and then it will still be the best coyote hunting rifle you can have in your gun safe. Given the choice in combat i would take the M14 and 1911 over all others.
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Have you guys seen the scam Oldman is pulling in the Classifieds?
Buy a rifle now (if you like ridiculous prices) and he'll ship them to you in JUNE.
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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JMHO but I bet they follow in the footsteps of the Whitney Woverine..... oldman1942...your intial post was fine until you hit this line
Save your "expert" opinions until you get your hands on one.
Obnoxious crap like that is why nobody cuts you any slack.
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The AR continues to evolve.
The gas piston uppers are becoming popular nowadays, and keep the gas/carbon out of the upper receiver. That's a huge improvement in my opinion.
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Agree but still think (IMO) the ARGO system is superior. ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/member12612-1.png)
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That stock looks like it has a ton of drop.  Will they make a 12ga version? 
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Sounds like a saleman for Benelli.
Nuttin wrong with that, of course I don't need a benelli because my ARs are foolproof.
Can ya put a 50 bmg bolt gun upper on that benelli? How about a 22 LR upper?
Time may change all that but for the time being, the AR will still rule.
Elk... I love those posts! thats true LAFFIN
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In answer to the question: No.
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It looks like a souped up Remington 7400.
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looks like a Nova fked a kel-tec. ![[Linked Image]](http://thefirearmblog.dreamhosters.com//blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Beretta_RX4.jpg)
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I never get involved in these "foolhardy" posts but this one really hits a nerve!
The M16 has been protecting the lives of our soldiers for decades. Most military gun collectors can't justify buying an M16 because of their high costs, so they buy AR's.
I think a lot of younger guy's and newer collectors that get into gun collecting (which is a good thing) initially focus on Ar15's because they see the full automatic versions on the news and their use in history. I think when they get there first AR it gives them a good feeling of patriotism knowing they have a weapon that is a semi-automatic version of the ones are military uses.
Ar15's will be around for a long time and to think a new Beretta MR-1 will replace the AR's popularity is just plain silly, I'm not picking on Beretta they make a great product but they are 30 plus years late !!!
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oldman1942 talking......still Classic!
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interesting. the blacked-out one in the first post sure looks pretty cool--I didn't know they could be configured like that. And the wood stocked ones surely look like something a huge cat would throw up on the couch.
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Save your "expert" opinions until you get your hands on one.
Its statements like this is why you are a legendary internet dumb puck. You think you know it all and get slammed all over the web by everyone because you dont. I have tried to mind my toung till now. Do us all a favor and take you're lazy eye azz the hell out of here.
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If you think he's a moron here, go read his ads on gunbroker. He has such a way with words. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=158108562
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Does it take an AR magazine? Does it come in 458 SOCOM?
Ignorance is not confined to uneducated people.
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This dude is a dick no matter where he goes.........
It�s a magazine not a clip......
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800 buck rifle for 1500.... used, just like driving a car off a lot.... Scope isn't a deal either... 600 buck scope used..... few odds and ends for the gun. A way overpowered scope for a 223, a useless pistol grip, couple hundred in a pod and trigger, and who hoo... you get the original trigger too. And to boot, its only a dpms... big deal in my books. But he has a right to ask what he wants. For that combo I'd give him maybe what the gun costs... maybe. Pretty nice rough wording too.
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oldfart1942 had the audacity to PM me about the snarky blonde. I never read his PM ( I deleted it) but it was entitled "accurate rendition of me".  If that dpms was so good why is he selling it? he wouldn't know a good ar if it bit him in the ass. too much tacticool schitt doesn't make it good.
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Well, ya know, he has a layaway plan the plan is he's gonna layyaaway with his prices. Ya know, my damn dog is even smart enough to know when it's time to leave.
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I think I handled one of these or something close at the last Tulsa Wannenmacher show. Thought it'd be nice cause I love my Benelli shotguns, M1 Field and M2 Tactical, same stock and all... anyway it didn't do it for me. If you like it then buy a truck load of em. Oh and the M4 has it's share of problems, here's a few examples http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=30469Now before you go off and get all huffy, don't. Like I said if you like it then fine, go find a Benelli forum.
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oldman1942 talking......still That's awesome!!! 
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still think my ancient, obsolete NM M-1 would clean the clock of any 223 AR once we got out to serious shooting distances (300+).
Oh hell no.......you didnt just say that. Lets have a contest! you shooting your ancient, obsolete NM M-1 and me shooting my Grim Reaper..........I'm good at 700 yds.  ![[Linked Image]](http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/masterhunter1/Christmas09400.jpg) What do ya say?
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I don't understand the M14 mystic. I've used both M14 and M16 in combat and much prefer the 16. The M16 was much more accurate, had fewer function problems, and was much lighter than the M14. Also, you can carry triple the amount of ammo with a M16.
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still think my ancient, obsolete NM M-1 would clean the clock of any 223 AR once we got out to serious shooting distances (300+).
Oh hell no.......you didnt just say that. Lets have a contest! you shooting your ancient, obsolete NM M-1 and me shooting my Grim Reaper..........I'm good at 700 yds. What do ya say? Heck my M1 carbine prolly shoots better with open sites than that thing at 1000 yds
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What a joke ol lazy eye is! LOL! $1500 starting bid? Comedy right there.
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That isn't dreaming that is hallucinating...........
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Agree but still think (IMO) the ARGO system is superior. I looked at the link. I'll give you $400 for it if you'll throw in the scope. I'll need immediate delivery of it though. PM me.
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Seemed to recall a fella 'round here once made a comment about not needing to take a bite of a schit sandwich to know what'd it taste like.
Re: the OP, there might be a clue hidden in there, and perhaps one across the board.
Pun(s) there.
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still think my ancient, obsolete NM M-1 would clean the clock of any 223 AR once we got out to serious shooting distances (300+).
Oh hell no.......you didnt just say that. Lets have a contest! you shooting your ancient, obsolete NM M-1 and me shooting my Grim Reaper..........I'm good at 700 yds. What do ya say? Oh I missed that post I guess.... bring it on oldman.. I have zeros for my ARs to 1000 yards, I'll even spot you, you use a scope, I'll use irons.....
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still think my ancient, obsolete NM M-1 would clean the clock of any 223 AR once we got out to serious shooting distances (300+).
Oh hell no.......you didnt just say that. Lets have a contest! you shooting your ancient, obsolete NM M-1 and me shooting my Grim Reaper..........I'm good at 700 yds. What do ya say? Oh I missed that post I guess.... bring it on oldman.. I have zeros for my ARs to 1000 yards, I'll even spot you, you use a scope, I'll use irons..... Damn, my $$$$$$ on jeff for this one The funny part of all this is, oldman gets his ass spanked no matter where he posts his BS. Some people just don't get it.
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Good by me! You'd have a better chance to beat him with a scope anyway. I just suspect I could probably hold my own though... I"ve done it against a scope at 600 before... until I crossfired an X.....
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just so you know...
At 500 yards the Bravo target is 1/2 the thickness of the front sight post. good luck making hits at 1000 with irons.
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oldman1942 talking This Wannabe will stick with his M4 and ARs.
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Yall stop antagonizing old man.
Crossfire couldn't get him to a 30 cal shoot, what makes you guys think he'll take you up on the 223?
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oldman1942 talking This Wannabe will stick with his M4 and ARs. This should be the standard reply to anything oldman posts
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Greg, you advocate for ARs but mine are crappy? Why don't you pack up your sorry AZZ and take a trip down to DPMS and tell them what crap they make? You might clear the sidewalk before you landed. They will sell because they are fine ARs with valuable extras, and BTW, this site is not the only venue to sell guns (DUH)!
MM, agree they aren't going anywhere, heck we still have tricked out M-14s doing duty as the military has been too stupid to get a decent 308 semi-auto in wide issue. That doesn't change the fact that the ARGO system is superior to the "puke in your mouth" AR system (As your fellow Marines knew when they selected the M4 shotgun).
Resistance to change is human nature but Don't forget all the stories of the Devil Dogs in the Pacific who followed the Army guys around to pick up their M-1s (and dump their 03s) when the Army guys got shot.
I'd love to put a pile of M 14s and a second pile of M 4 223s in front of a bunch of Marines "over there" with a free choice of which to carry.......
Whelennut. Agree, still think my ancient, obsolete NM M-1 would clean the clock of any 223 AR once we got out to serious shooting distances (300+). You can also buttstroke someone with it and the stock won't break off.
Palmetto mine was $1300 delivered w/FFL fee and paid by CC. There are cheaper ARs and a lot more expensive ones. Benelli will also be "legal" in many areas that ban the "evil AR".
Hopefully (as with the R-1) they will offer barrel interchangability so the whole 223 base family could appear over time and when the 308 version comes out...oh boy! A 338 Federal version with a low X scope. Backpacker/hunter's dream out where I live with Mr Griz or for Elk.
Finally to you utes, just because you disagree, does not confer "being right" on you. It just means you disagree, so grow up and realize people can differ and still be civil. I happen to like the 300 H&H but that doesn't mean I won't hunt with my buddy who shoots a 300 WinMag.
You need to better understand military procurement and military service. There are lots of systems out there that are superior on paper than the old M16, but when they�re put in the field, they all come away as being inferior. 4 decades of finding out what works in the real world trumps any new fangled un-proven design. Just because it works pretty well with a shotgun is absolutely no indication it will make for a military service rifle. Benelli and Beretta aren�t considering it as a military rifle and aren�t marketing it as such, just a militarized sporting rifle. Beretta (parent company of Benelli) offers the AR70 as their solution for military rifle; a platform that is proven. The reality is, the M16 is a very hard act to follow, and it�s going to take something better than some guy on the internet who�s excited about some new rifle before the military considers a change. The M16 was slated for replacement the day it was adopted and there have been no less than 4 major development programs to do just that; all have gone by the wayside and the M16 soldiers on. My guess is if you put your slick new Benelli in the hands of poorly trained soldiers in the sandbox, your Benelli would return in a box of it�s own. As for using a brand new one in .308 that hasn't even been released over a battle proven M14 (and I'm not the world's best fan of the M14), is absolute lunacy. I thank God people like you aren't in charge of supplying our soldiers with their weapons. Think for a minute�Beretta and Benelli aren�t marketing that rifle as a replacement for any existing service rifle. Perhaps they know something you don�t.
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Good post Kevin! BTW he isn't really from WY....he's just a liberal transplant from someplace like NJ (no insult to the good people of NJ).
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Broke Back Mountain was in Wyoming. Maybe they left him there after they finished filming
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Hey now doggonit...them were 2 sheep herders from Montana! Still can't beleive they let that libtard jackass film that and say it was WY 
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just so you know...
At 500 yards the Bravo target is 1/2 the thickness of the front sight post. good luck making hits at 1000 with irons. Width of front sight does NOT matter in making hits. My front sight post for 1000 is the width of the FRAME... and the bull is already 44 inches.. IIRC the frame is about 72 inches. No problem smacking the 20 inch 10 ring as long as the wind doesn't get you. The width of my front sight at 600 yards is equivalent to 36 inches, and I'm shooting sub MOA groups, calling my shots to within inches at that range, and being able to hit the spotter thats 3 inches....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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just so you know...
At 500 yards the Bravo target is 1/2 the thickness of the front sight post. good luck making hits at 1000 with irons. Width of front sight does NOT matter in making hits. My front sight post for 1000 is the width of the FRAME... and the bull is already 44 inches.. IIRC the frame is about 72 inches. No problem smacking the 20 inch 10 ring as long as the wind doesn't get you. The width of my front sight at 600 yards is equivalent to 36 inches, and I'm shooting sub MOA groups, calling my shots to within inches at that range, and being able to hit the spotter thats 3 inches.... Oops. Someone stepped in it. That Jeff could post scores to back up his claims, is a given. Damned facts....
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I'm 10 for 10 at the 500 year after year. with an old banged up M16 that rattled like a paint can and 55gr FMJ off a stripper clip.
i sure would like to try that match gun, tailored ammo sunny day shooting...
Do the DI's throw rocks at your kevlar while you shoot?
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My , my, sure easy to wind up you AR lovers.
(At least the ones that are not already on ignore (GRIN))
As I said, I own ARs already, none of you have ever shot or own an MR-1 or an R-1 or a M1014 so, as usual it's just smoke being blown by wannabe experts. I also note the stalkers from ARAIG coming over here to carry on their stupid uninformed comments.
ARs will continue to sell to the wannabe military types, 99% of who never served. For those of us who did and had the opportunity to run the shiet out of M 16s, you can have them. Not a bad 50 year old design but progress has been made as evidenced to the frantic conversion to piston operation that is still inferior to the ARGO system.
For the few of you who read, you might want to read the recent test of the MR-1 and see what a terrible score in got. Anyone dumb enough to think Benelli makes bad guns of any kind has a room temp I.Q. and doesn't own/couldn't afford one in any case.
So I'm done with the "children's hour" on this thread as NOT ONE of you brats has come up with anything but subjective idiocy based on looking at a picture.... but what else is to expected from those who call names, hurl insults and can't back up a single claim with any verifiable facts? Time for your cookies, milk and Ridlin.
For those of you not adverse to being burdened with the facts:
"The M4 was the first gas-operated shotgun produced by Benelli. Its function is designed around an entirely new method called the "auto regulating gas operated" (ARGO) system. The ARGO system on the M4 opened the door for Benelli's development of the R1 rifle line. The design uses two stainless-steel self-cleaning pistons located just ahead of the chamber to function opposite the rotating bolt, thereby eliminating the need for the complex mechanisms found on other gas-actuated automatics. Benelli accomplishes this level of reliability through the simplicity of the mechanism. The ARGO is a short-stroke system that incorporates only four parts. It consists of two symmetrical shrouds containing two small steel gas pistons."
on the MR-1
"A combat carbine has to perform the first time, every time. The ultra-reliable ARGO (Auto-Regulating-Gas-Operated) system incorporated into the new Benelli MR 1 does it for the U.S. military, and now can be the centerpiece of an effective home defense plan. The MR 1 rifle, Benelli�s latest offering, is chambered in 5.56mm NATO (.223 Rem.) and uses the battle-proven ARGO system-the same system developed by Benelli for the M1014 and used for over a decade in multiple conflicts by the United States Marine Corps.
The sights are a military-style aperture, adjustable for windage and elevation in the field, using only a cartridge rim. A Picatinny rail allows mounting of both conventional and night-vision sights, while retaining metallic-sight capability. All steel parts are black phosphated and aluminum parts are hard-anodized in a matte finish for low visibility and corrosion resistance. The Benelli MR 1 carbine comes standard with a five-round magazine, and can also accept standard M16 magazines. An optional Picatinny tri-rail forend kit is available for mounting a laser aiming device, front handle, illuminator and other accessories.
The MR 1 features a stainless steel, self-cleaning piston that operates directly against the proven rotating bolt, thereby eliminating the need for complex linkages found on other inferior gas systems. This piston-driven system (ARGO), perfected by Benelli, incorporates a gas port located just forward of the chamber where the gases are hotter and cleaner, resulting in less fouling and more reliable cycling. In function testing the MR 1 exceeded the military requirements without malfunction. The result is a Benelli carbine with Marine-tough reliability able to function under the harshest environmental conditions."
OF COURSE "THEY" ARE ALL WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT ALTHOUGH NONE, NADA, ZERO OF YOU OWN ANY ARGO SYSTEM GUNS. MAYBE OBAMA HAS A SPOT FOR A "MILITARY WEAPONS CZAR"....YOU HAVE ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS..... COMPLETE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ETC.. (LAFFIN!)
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Evident by your own post, you didn't own one of those, the R1, until just the other day....
At least you can get benelli repair support when their shotguns break. We had 2 break one duck season, I simply handed over my other 11-87 and the guys kept shooting. Another loaner and off we sent 2 benelli shotguns off for repair. Ejector on both. A short 4 months later they were back, about 3 months after duck season was over.
But then don't get me started on Zeiss service... though they are by far some of the best glass out there, IE I'd spend 700 on a Z LONG before dumping it into a Bushnell product, the customer service is pretty slow...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I'm 10 for 10 at the 500 year after year. with an old banged up M16 that rattled like a paint can and 55gr FMJ off a stripper clip.
i sure would like to try that match gun, tailored ammo sunny day shooting...
Do the DI's throw rocks at your kevlar while you shoot? Umm, I've done enough shooting with the actual issue M16s in civilian qual courses and their issue ball ammo to know that simply hitting that target at 500 isn't really an issue for a good shot. The triggers on the 3 shot burst guns are interesting to say the least though. As to tailored ammo and match guns, yep. As to sunny day shooting, well we shoot regardless until lighting is within a 5 mile radius. I've done that when its below freezing, to over 100, and pouring so hard the targets "melt" and wind blowing so hard that the 2x4 target frames snap in half from Lake Erie winds. We never shot those targets just to hit them, you have to have a group on the target so you have some leeway of wind calls, and you have 50 seconds exposure to expend as much ammo as you can at one time starting at 600 yards and then moving in. And to top that off I was swing gunner which meant my duty was to empty my first mag(typically of 18) into the one target, reload, and regain a new NPA and dump the last mag into a second target. Did they throw rocks at us? Nope never did. But if you are concentrating on what you should be, you don't realize things like hot brass burning into your skin or a myriad of other things, you are in your own world and nothing but shooting. If you are aware of them throwing rocks, they you'd understand you are not shooting correctly as the sub conscious mind can do only one thing at once. If its distracted by rocks, it concentrates on avoiding the rocks rather than shooting correctly.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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As far as not having the $ to buy one, i have seen your gunbroker ads...all of them. If you add the totals of all them together you STILL wouldnt add up to just 1 of my machineguns. I still dont want a unproven rifle. Your going off what others say....the people who make $ off you buying their product, so its in their best interest to make the tests fall in their favor or exaggerate.
If your happy with your toy, then so be it, its NOT gonna be a replacement for the M16, you may have been in Veitnam, but i bet i have slung more lead from a M16 then you have. But im just a wanna be.
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I'm 10 for 10 at the 500 year after year. with an old banged up M16 that rattled like a paint can and 55gr FMJ off a stripper clip.
i sure would like to try that match gun, tailored ammo sunny day shooting...
Do the DI's throw rocks at your kevlar while you shoot? They did, and I did quite well out to 500, thank you. Semper Fi.
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My , my, sure easy to wind up you AR lovers.
(At least the ones that are not already on ignore (GRIN))
As I said, I own ARs already, none of you have ever shot or own an MR-1 or an R-1 or a M1014 so, as usual it's just smoke being blown by wannabe experts. I also note the stalkers from ARAIG coming over here to carry on their stupid uninformed comments.
ARs will continue to sell to the wannabe military types, 99% of who never served. For those of us who did and had the opportunity to run the shiet out of M 16s, you can have them. Not a bad 50 year old design but progress has been made as evidenced to the frantic conversion to piston operation that is still inferior to the ARGO system.
For the few of you who read, you might want to read the recent test of the MR-1 and see what a terrible score in got. Anyone dumb enough to think Benelli makes bad guns of any kind has a room temp I.Q. and doesn't own/couldn't afford one in any case.
So I'm done with the "children's hour" on this thread as NOT ONE of you brats has come up with anything but subjective idiocy based on looking at a picture.... but what else is to expected from those who call names, hurl insults and can't back up a single claim with any verifiable facts? Time for your cookies, milk and Ridlin.
For those of you not adverse to being burdened with the facts:
"The M4 was the first gas-operated shotgun produced by Benelli. Its function is designed around an entirely new method called the "auto regulating gas operated" (ARGO) system. The ARGO system on the M4 opened the door for Benelli's development of the R1 rifle line. The design uses two stainless-steel self-cleaning pistons located just ahead of the chamber to function opposite the rotating bolt, thereby eliminating the need for the complex mechanisms found on other gas-actuated automatics. Benelli accomplishes this level of reliability through the simplicity of the mechanism. The ARGO is a short-stroke system that incorporates only four parts. It consists of two symmetrical shrouds containing two small steel gas pistons."
on the MR-1
"A combat carbine has to perform the first time, every time. The ultra-reliable ARGO (Auto-Regulating-Gas-Operated) system incorporated into the new Benelli MR 1 does it for the U.S. military, and now can be the centerpiece of an effective home defense plan. The MR 1 rifle, Benelli�s latest offering, is chambered in 5.56mm NATO (.223 Rem.) and uses the battle-proven ARGO system-the same system developed by Benelli for the M1014 and used for over a decade in multiple conflicts by the United States Marine Corps.
The sights are a military-style aperture, adjustable for windage and elevation in the field, using only a cartridge rim. A Picatinny rail allows mounting of both conventional and night-vision sights, while retaining metallic-sight capability. All steel parts are black phosphated and aluminum parts are hard-anodized in a matte finish for low visibility and corrosion resistance. The Benelli MR 1 carbine comes standard with a five-round magazine, and can also accept standard M16 magazines. An optional Picatinny tri-rail forend kit is available for mounting a laser aiming device, front handle, illuminator and other accessories.
The MR 1 features a stainless steel, self-cleaning piston that operates directly against the proven rotating bolt, thereby eliminating the need for complex linkages found on other inferior gas systems. This piston-driven system (ARGO), perfected by Benelli, incorporates a gas port located just forward of the chamber where the gases are hotter and cleaner, resulting in less fouling and more reliable cycling. In function testing the MR 1 exceeded the military requirements without malfunction. The result is a Benelli carbine with Marine-tough reliability able to function under the harshest environmental conditions."
OF COURSE "THEY" ARE ALL WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT ALTHOUGH NONE, NADA, ZERO OF YOU OWN ANY ARGO SYSTEM GUNS. MAYBE OBAMA HAS A SPOT FOR A "MILITARY WEAPONS CZAR"....YOU HAVE ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS..... COMPLETE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ETC.. (LAFFIN!) old douche1942 has me on ignore but he peeks all the time, he can't help himself. I am sure he will send me another PM to delete after this. blowhards like him are good at google-fu but wouldn't make a pimple on a good marksman's azz.
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I made the honored list also oldman1942 Campfire Regular Registered: 09/15/09 Posts: 1216 Loc: WY & FL Glad I pissed you off enough to send a childish card. Welcome to "ignore". You punkass brat. Top
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If oldman had half the experience packing (let alone using)the M4/M16 series that the resoled boots I am currently wearing do, he would still not even be qualified to be my driver.
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Doltman also sent me the PM informing me I was on ignore.
Truly a bizarre individual.
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Doltman also sent me the PM informing me I was on ignore.
Truly a bizarre individual. He has to tell you that he's ignoring you? Shouldn't he just, well, uh.... um.... ignore you?
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I find it interesting that someone considers a 1500 dollar rifle out of the economic reach of someone else. Bragging about owning one and the supposed tax bracket that allegedly puts you in - RIGHT after mentioning selling 3 other POS rifles to afford it is hilarious.
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He's an arrogant oldbastard. This is trolling thread just like the BS ad in the classified.
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watch it shameless will call you on that remark!
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Color me not giving a pelosi!  Douchebags may get old but their still douchebags.
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Just yankin yer chain!
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You get a Benelli and declare the AR obsolete......my AR is obsolete because of your say so? That's funny.
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Big deal...
My 45 Colt (Long flavored) is obsolete, but it is still fun as hell. My Mosin M44 is obsolete but it still makes others at the range wish they brought hearing protection. My plain jane 270 ain't no WSM so I guess it is obsolete as well, but it still puts rounds where I want them, every time if I do my part.
Who cares what others shoot, just be glad they are shooting.
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You are correct Ost, it is no big deal, BUT there are a certain number of folks who cannot tolerate any opinion other than their own. The internet gives them the cover of never having to back up anything they say as well as the "courage" to call other folks all kinds of nasty names w/o any consequences.
Wonder if any of you keyboard warriors caught the show on History channel HD recently called High Impact M-16? It traced the whole history of the M-16 as well as the FACT that the US military is evaluating several replacements. The footage of the HK being pulled out of the mudpit and still working fine was amazing...especially when the REAL expert said no M-16 would EVER be able to do that. The AUG was also impressive. I doubt the MR-1, as made today, would either but it still doesn't puke in its innards either.(and don't go on about piston operated M 16s as there are none in the hands of the average grunt doing the fighting "over there".)
I'm sure we'll still be fighting with puking ARs for years to come given the fact that our fascist dictatorship of community organizers doesn't give a rat's azz about equipping our military with the best available when there are useless union bloodsuckers to be pacified with "free" programs.
Hope you have lots of ammo, water and MREs stockpiled when the food wars start. I just ordered 20 30 round magazines for my MR-1.
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I don't think anyone said your MR1 is going to be a bad thing, but then its a fix for something thats not wrong currently.
As to the military looking, they CONSTANTLY test just to see... and of course at some point they will change... I don't see it coming anytime soon as trained troops have no issues with the current rifle.
As to your constant barrage of the gun puking in itself... yeah, but it continues to run.. I"ve run them well over 1000 rounds without cleaning and know 2 folks that ran them all season long, almost 10K rounds each gun, only wiping out the upper and relubing the carrier. And its not pansy azz sunshine shooting all the time.. its rain or shine, blowing dust, mud etc.... our gear gets CRAPPY... I've seen folks pack it up at dust matches and just refuse to abuse their guns.... I've never done that with an AR, and they've always continued to roll.
Of course until you have 20 years or more on the MR/R 1s you'll never know how they'll hold up.
thought them mags looked like AR mags?
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starting a thread, and going totally confrontational from the git go, then continuing to bait, troll and abuse the sensibilities of folks that comment......... well thats the hallmark of a troll.
I have seen comments here and there about Oldman1942's demeanor, but I can't recall reading much from him.
With thread, he has proven what a dick head he really is. Adios MF'r.
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Whenever the Military adopts any piece of equipment including small arms they immediately start evaluating a replacement. This is the nature of the Military and the Government. The AR platform will be here when most on this forum have pasted. The AR needs no change other than the round it shoots. They already have the answer, the 6.8 SPC .
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I run my M16 all day at machinegun shoots, renting them out and we go threw 30,000 rnds a day doing so, not all from the M16 but alot of it goes threw the 16 and even with a suppressor on it, we go all day without cleaning it. Thats in MO humidity, KY rain and mud and in OK dust, she still keeps going.
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Bea175, you were making good sense until your last comment which just negates everything you had just said so well. (Well, except for the bit about the forum having "pasted" (sic). That sounds just plain weird.)
Let me explain to you why you are so wrong. Changing calibers is a BIG deal at any time, it's even worse during a shooting war. One simply cannot click their finger and have all barrels changed from 5.56 to 6.8 in an instant. Same thing with magazines, the supply chain, the training, etc. I've never fired a 6.8SPC, but I'm pretty sure the POI will be soewhat different from a 5.56 as the distance increases.
I would hate to be the poor guy who was issued 5.56 ammo for his 6.8 rifle, or the other way around. I'm not sure if a 6.8 would chamber in a 5.56 rifle or if 5.56 would chamber in a 6.8 rifle, but I would hate to be the guy to try it by mistake in a firefight or anywhere else.
On the other hand the .mil has been issuing Mk262 and now Mk318, which I understand is much more lethal and actually punches though stuff better than M855. In a panic, one can shoot anything that fits in an AR in combat currently. Throw in 6.8 and you have a recipe for disaster.
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The AR15 is to rifles what the 1911 is to pistols.
It's not going anywhere.
47 years in service in various stages of evolution. It's got to be the longest serving standard-issue military rifle in our country's history.
Well, maybe, but I think the AR lacks the panache of the Winchester Lee Navy, don't you? Sycamore
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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"starting a thread, and going totally confrontational from the git go, then continuing to bait, troll and abuse the sensibilities of folks that comment......... well thats the hallmark of a troll."
Can I stop laughing now? I dared to venture an opinion. The immediate response was name calling, insults and the usual reaction of those who "have to be right".
The hard facts are that there are better 223 platforms than the current issue M16. Published reliabilty tests prove that (you can look it up). Sorry if that offends you but 03' lovers said the same stuff when the M-1 came out.
None of you "experts" have yet to answer why, if the current M 16 configuration is so wonderful, ....why are ALL the manufactures rushing to convert to piston systems ..... tough one eh?
Could it be that Mikhail had it right and Eugene wrong? LAFFIN!
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I dont' read in Bea175s post that they will switch anytime in the near future, thats been rumored for years now.
We'll be out of a major war when and if they switch. They won't switch it right in midstream. And certainly not so since the current round is working fine.
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Thanks to ElkHunter76, this is the first thought that comes to mind whenever the bitter oldman posts his garbage.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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Bea175 didn't say they were switching, instead he was suggesting they go ahead and do that.
I suspect that when the .mil decides to switch, it will be both ammo and rifle. But with the introduction of the SOST MK 318 round, this may be quite a while longer.
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Agree, it will be a l-o-n-g time until we get control of the government away from the "one worlders" and all the others who think Mao & Che are the bright lights of how to run the world.
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My AR's have been 100% reliable with reasonable ammo. I was using my Bushy M4gery to burn up odds and ends of powder I had around and did manage to find some RL7 squib loads that it wouldn't cycle reliably. But that's it. Other than that, perfect across 3 AR15's and a DPMS AR10. I've run my current AR out past 500 rounds w/o cleaning... no problemo. I don't think it's obsolete. It's just perfected, well-refined. The manufacturers are pimping piston uppers because it's a way to flog some life out of a mature product line and market. IMHO.
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I re-read bea175 post and still don't think he was suggesting, simply saying when the time comes, the answer might be there(in his opinion it is). Didn't notice him saying switch now but thats not important anyway, i'm picking nits and I need to quit.
As to the importance of piston uppers, I had a call the other week offering me a free piston upgrade kit thinking maybe I'm pimp them and sell them. Simply told em it was a fix for something there was no problem with and that was that. Turned down a couple hundred dollars of free....
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Thanks to ElkHunter76, this is the first thought that comes to mind whenever the bitter oldman posts his garbage. She seems like a charming young lady!
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
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Hope you have lots of ammo, water and MREs stockpiled when the food wars start. Don't need too.....I'm just going to come take yours away from you.
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Hope you have lots of ammo, water and MREs stockpiled when the food wars start. Don't need too.....I'm just going to come take yours away from you. your mean!
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I learned from Jessica
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Will you share your oldfart plunder?
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Only with turdlike people!
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Poobah gets the pick, just like pirates?
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starting a thread, and going totally confrontational from the git go, then continuing to bait, troll and abuse the sensibilities of folks that comment......... well thats the hallmark of a troll.
I have seen comments here and there about Oldman1942's demeanor, but I can't recall reading much from him.
With thread, he has proven what a dick head he really is. Adios MF'r. Sam, the reason you didn't see many posts, I suspect, is that he was Lee24s twin brother and most folks didn't play with Lee24 posts unless they wanted to be entertained by stupidity.
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The AR15 is to rifles what the 1911 is to pistols.
It's not going anywhere.
47 years in service in various stages of evolution. It's got to be the longest serving standard-issue military rifle in our country's history.
Well, maybe, but I think the AR lacks the panache of the Winchester Lee Navy, don't you? Sycamore Well, I didn't want to go there,...  ...............
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Bea175, you were making good sense until your last comment which just negates everything you had just said so well. (Well, except for the bit about the forum having "pasted" (sic). That sounds just plain weird.)
Let me explain to you why you are so wrong. Changing calibers is a BIG deal at any time, it's even worse during a shooting war. One simply cannot click their finger and have all barrels changed from 5.56 to 6.8 in an instant. Same thing with magazines, the supply chain, the training, etc. I've never fired a 6.8SPC, but I'm pretty sure the POI will be soewhat different from a 5.56 as the distance increases.
I would hate to be the poor guy who was issued 5.56 ammo for his 6.8 rifle, or the other way around. I'm not sure if a 6.8 would chamber in a 5.56 rifle or if 5.56 would chamber in a 6.8 rifle, but I would hate to be the guy to try it by mistake in a firefight or anywhere else.
On the other hand the .mil has been issuing Mk262 and now Mk318, which I understand is much more lethal and actually punches though stuff better than M855. In a panic, one can shoot anything that fits in an AR in combat currently. Throw in 6.8 and you have a recipe for disaster. No one said the Military was changing cal, but if they decide to change then the 6.8 is the answer. Bolt , barrel and mag change and you are in business
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Didn't they switch to the M16 right in the middle of a shooting war? Most of what I've seen says that yes, there are more reliable systems out there, the HK416, SCAR and XM8 all beat the M4 in a specialized dust test, http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/Problem is the guys who make the decisions aren't convinced that the test proved much, given the track record and soldiers view of the M4. If they change, they want it to be a great change. So far it ain't appeared to them, even in the ARGO guise. Who knows but I've run enough rounds through my obsolete AR's to know what's what and I ain't worried. Only 20 mags? Shameful.
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They introduced the M16 in the early years of the Vietnam War. It was not a great idea and there were issues with it that had to be sorted out, simple things like no cleaning kits, etc. So let's not do that again.
I've read lots of reports about those tests and I can see why they are considered controversial. I've also read reports of the contenders having major issues. So who knows?
In the meantime, I am glad the .mill is getting better ammunition than the M855 for the troops. I should hope that will go a long way.
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Yep they did switch in the middle of a "conflict" as it was called.
I've no clue why they'd really want to do that, and then serve up a non proven/tested item that had issues.... Yet its morphed into a great platform that has stood the test of time.
I doubt... but then I said they'd never elect the idiot either....., that they'd be dumb enough to swap in the middle of a war again.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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The AR platform ain't perfect, but it's damned good, it works, and for .mil parameters, it ain't broke so don't fix it.
Pretty friggin' simple, really.
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ARs obsolete, well that sucks I just bought one
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Has anyone noticed on his gun broker add that he says that he has only put "6" rounds through the gun, and that he has a pic of the "6" rounds on paper (notice that they seem to be sighted in)..... he also claims that the scope he is selling is the scope he used to put these "only 6 rounds" through the gun. now how in the world did he through that scope on and it was perfectly sighted in a couple inches high. somethings not adding up..... I know we have bore sighters but you still have to make some adjustments.
so he is saying that he put that scope on the rifle, shot 6 rounds and it was perfectly sighted in without making any adjustments...
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Brett, yup I saw that and just ROTFLMAO Just remember a man is only as good as his word,nuff said. oldman has been pegged as a true BS artist from his first post and confirms that with each post there after.
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Check out what I posted on his clasified ad about his feedback.
Its telling of what kind of person he is.
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Hes just as popular there as he is here Ingwe
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WTF is with that idiot? Stuff for sale, but not till later... and the JUNK pistol grips he likes... man I don't know anyone that likes those grips.
Entertaining though....
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So was Lee24...but its almost time for another purge....
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This oldman supported lee, probably is one and the same....
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Don't make me do it.... Ohhhh......OK.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/24HRC/w1t16h9x9n.jpg) Ingwe
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Ok thanks.... now I puked my biscuits out and am leaving to get some work done.
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This is taken from his DPMS ad on Gunbroker "[Information added 08/22/2009 8:32:13 PM] Look, folks $700 will not buy this rifle so stop the silly bids. The rifle alone w/o the upgrades cost more than $700 so stop smokin rope and get serious. The next go round insulting bids will get blocked." His brand of diplomacy sure isn't helping him any!
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Oldman.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/24HRC/qfey29lhk1.jpg) Ingwe
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Maybe he sighted it in at 25 ft?
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[quote=oldman1942]As an owner of one 15 and three 10s, I am about to say the forbidden. The AR platform is obsolete. I just got my Benelli MR-1 yesterday and it is a generation ahead of any AR. No puking in its guts, no clunky gas tube system, shorter, lighter and less moving mass in operation. The ARGO system (used in the M4 and R-1) is simple, clean and rugged. It also shoots sub MOA groups as issued. I'm sure a 308 version will be coming soon...droolin!
One thing for sure, my DPMS Sweet 16 will be sold as soon as I return to WY.quote"
That whole "puking in its guts" thing was because the rifle was designed to operate with stick powder and the military decided that ball powder was the way they would run it.
Not the designers problem! The troops were also short on cleaning equipment. Not their fault! Keeping the rifle clean is always hard when you are not getting enough sleep, getting shot at, poorly trained. This has been the case ever since the Brown Bess musket was used 200 years ago.
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Funny how the owner of ONE AR15 can proclaim they are junk basically....
As to the adds, yeah the gun costs more without the additional junk. But it didn't cost more if you were talking dealer cost.....
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They are wanna bee rifles, and toy's.
A toy is ok, and cool to play with, most of the wanna bee's or experimentors tend to get over them.
So I'd say 60+ percent of folks will get one and play with it, and keep one, but after a while they tend not to be the long term go to when hunting because of what they stand for.
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chrome lined barrel? Chromed chamber? SS piston I think.
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Can you find me my quote where I said ARs were "junk"? M 16s don't have pistons in case you missed it, nor do any standard common issue ARs in US service. Not one of you "experts" can seem to answer the question as to why all the manufacturers are rushing to piston guns if pukers are so great. CAN YOU OR NOT? Not one of you "experts" can site any extended duty test where a puker was superior or even equal to a piston gun. CAN YOU OR NOT? So since you have nothing but opinions it's the usual hot air BS. For those who like to be equipped with FACTS (perish the thought), test results (including the Benelli ARGO system) are available and guess what? The pukers LOST EVERY FING ONE! Anybody read/watch BlackHawk down? Notice the last man standing to win the CMOH was NOT fielding a puker? Wonder why? It will be tough to swallow all your cowdroppings when the HK wins the contract, now won't it? (Already in use by some serious soldiers). As for the stupid pictures, here's one that captures most of you perfectly: ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/jordanass.jpg)
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Anybody read/watch BlackHawk down? Notice the last man standing to win the CMOH was NOT fielding a puker? Wonder why?
In the movie? HA! funny stuff.
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Can you find me my quote where I said ARs were "junk"? M 16s don't have pistons in case you missed it, nor do any standard common issue ARs in US service. Not one of you "experts" can seem to answer the question as to why all the manufacturers are rushing to piston guns if pukers are so great. CAN YOU OR NOT? Not one of you "experts" can site any extended duty test where a puker was superior or even equal to a piston gun. CAN YOU OR NOT? So since you have nothing but opinions it's the usual hot air BS. For those who like to be equipped with FACTS (perish the thought), test results (including the Benelli ARGO system) are available and guess what? The pukers LOST EVERY FING ONE! Anybody read/watch BlackHawk down? Notice the last man standing to win the CMOH was NOT fielding a puker? Wonder why? It will be tough to swallow all your cowdroppings when the HK wins the contract, now won't it? (Already in use by some serious soldiers). As for the stupid pictures, here's one that captures most of you perfectly: oldman1942 flapping his gums again here to eh? BTW oldman I see your guns on GB are selling like wildfire......NOT !
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Can you find me my quote where I said ARs were "junk"? Oh, I don't know, you keep talking about them using the honorific "puker." So I would think that you are saying they are junk. M 16s don't have pistons in case you missed it, nor do any standard common issue ARs in US service. Correct, they don't need pistons. Not one of you "experts" can seem to answer the question as to why all the manufacturers are rushing to piston guns if pukers are so great. CAN YOU OR NOT? It's called marketing, perhaps you're not familiar with the concept. This is where you have a product to sell, so you create a need for it, real or imagined. Pistons are superior to DI, just ask anybody who makes a piston-driven AR, they'll tell you. Armalite does not make one, and they (rightly) consider the AR-180 a second rate product, read the story. I'm not aware that Colt makes one. But if all your competition is making one, in this day an age of me-too'ism, some people think it's important to make one or have one. I don't. Not one of you "experts" can site any extended duty test where a puker was superior or even equal to a piston gun. CAN YOU OR NOT? Jet-powered ARs are superior to piston-powered ARs, by virtue of the fact they are more accurate and lighter. So since you have nothing but opinions it's the usual hot air BS.
For those who like to be equipped with FACTS (perish the thought), test results (including the Benelli ARGO system) are available and guess what? The pukers LOST EVERY FING ONE!
Anybody read/watch BlackHawk down? Notice the last man standing to win the CMOH was NOT fielding a puker? Wonder why? Many thing wrong here. First, one does not "WIN" the CMOH, one is awarded the CMOH. Second, third and fourth; Randy Shughart and Gary Gordon were part of the Delta Force Sniper team and in 1993 there was no AR-based sniper rifle. Instead Randy Shughart had the semi-automatic M14 that was in use at that time. It will be tough to swallow all your cowdroppings when the HK wins the contract, now won't it? (Already in use by some serious soldiers). I'm not interested in learning about your favorite food. Please keep such things to yourself. I do like your signature/avatar: Do I get to join that elite group of people that ignore you now? ETA: To the rest of you, I apologize for the tenor of the above post; for some reason this guy irks me.
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Can you find me my quote where I said ARs were "junk"? M 16s don't have pistons in case you missed it, nor do any standard common issue ARs in US service. Not one of you "experts" can seem to answer the question as to why all the manufacturers are rushing to piston guns if pukers are so great. CAN YOU OR NOT? Not one of you "experts" can site any extended duty test where a puker was superior or even equal to a piston gun. CAN YOU OR NOT? So since you have nothing but opinions it's the usual hot air BS. For those who like to be equipped with FACTS (perish the thought), test results (including the Benelli ARGO system) are available and guess what? The pukers LOST EVERY FING ONE! Anybody read/watch BlackHawk down? Notice the last man standing to win the CMOH was NOT fielding a puker? Wonder why? It will be tough to swallow all your cowdroppings when the HK wins the contract, now won't it? (Already in use by some serious soldiers). As for the stupid pictures, here's one that captures most of you perfectly: You stupid arrogant ass. Do you really think that Gary Gordan died first because his gun "puked"??? Mike Durant used it until it ran out of ammo after Randy Shughart brought it to him. I have no idea if this was in the movie or not. Did you know that your are 10x more annoying than anyone over at ARAIG? I don't even like that site but I have learned a lot (even from Larry). No one pays attention to you because you are such an ass. You may be right sometime but no one is ever going to believe you unless you stop acting like a clown.
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Yep....I'm missing the phun.....
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Yep....I'm missing the phun.....
Ingwe I know I shouldn't feed the trolls and I usually stay out of these types of threads but he is really begining to annoy the chit out of me.
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Line forms to the left for that...... Ingwe
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Olddouche PMed me to tell me he put me on ignore My finest hour........  Ingwe
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I really don't think the current AR (M-16) platform is obsolete. I have both "pukers" as you call them and a piston gun. For all the combat on my little acre they have served well and I would not want to face a capable man armed with either. I can argue both points. Is a Wilson Combat 1911 better than a Taurus? I did notice a very interesting picture on the front of USA today about a year ago. The Russian "President" was visiting one of the outpost where unrest was boiling up and as he exited his ride the picture caught his protection detail. They were all carrying M-16s. I doubt they were piston driven. These guys could have anything they wanted I would think.
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I'm going to say what i believe, with the right ammo the M4 or M16 is the best Combat rifle available today.
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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I'll say I agree totally with FTR.... they have new models so they can sell new guns... if you never changed anything, people wouldn't have the chance to buy the latest whiz bang things...
OTOH I WIN THIS HORSE BEATING THREAD!!!!!!
See the question of the topic.
Answer is NO.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Olddouche PMed me to tell me he put me on ignore My finest hour........ Ingwe Congratulations my fine feathered friend.
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You now have something to aspire to.... Ingwe
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Wrong! I made the list months ago.
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BASTID! Congratulations! ( belated...) Ingwe
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That about sums it up! LOL
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Golly gee, winding up you idiots is soooooo easy.
But unlike almost all of you I take refuge in facts that can be documented rather than insults, name calling and posting stupid pictures.
Hate to point out the obvious, but adults always win debates with 3rd graders. LMAO!
Figured out what your gonna do when the HK wins the shoot off?
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THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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Golly gee, winding up you idiots is soooooo easy.
But unlike almost all of you I take refuge in facts that can be documented rather than insults, name calling and posting stupid pictures.
Hate to point out the obvious, but adults always win debates with 3rd graders. LMAO!
Figured out what your gonna do when the HK wins the shoot off? yeah, you certainly took the high road when you posted this work of art: hotter than ewe! ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/hillary-clinton-hot-sexy-nude-boobs.jpg) Goes snack on some punk brats, ya hoser.
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OldDouche: Can you hear me now???
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name calling and posting stupid pictures.
Welllll, OK....if you insist... ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/24HRC/tp58cu8or8.jpg) Ingwe
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Uno mas for a Monday morning.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/24HRC/odq7hwyuag.jpg) Ingwe
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Oldman actually shot that dink? Dude if you are going to kill for meat, shoot a doe and let them little bucks grow up!
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Golly gee, winding up you idiots is soooooo easy.
But unlike almost all of you I take refuge in facts that can be documented rather than insults, name calling and posting stupid pictures.
Hate to point out the obvious, but adults always win debates with 3rd graders. LMAO!
Figured out what your gonna do when the HK wins the shoot off? oldman is peeking again. He is the moth and we are the LIGHT! HE can't stay away!
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Golly gee, winding up you idiots is soooooo easy.
But unlike almost all of you I take refuge in facts that can be documented rather than insults, name calling and posting stupid pictures.
Hate to point out the obvious, but adults always win debates with 3rd graders. LMAO!
Figured out what your gonna do when the HK wins the shoot off? Certainly you don't think the Benelli will win the shoot off compared to a good AR? I mean ARs have shot screamer BR groups.... it might be the same accuracy wise, I doubt seriously it'll beat a good AR though.
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