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7SAUM - AGAIN #3842266 02/27/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI Well I did a search and didn't find as much info (mostly old too) as I had hoped so here we go again. Like the subject line reads, 7SAUM reloading data and results - shooting and hunting. My gun right now is a model 7 all stock (not for long). 140gr and maybe some 162 or 168's. Hoping to see some good accuracy and MV's. I have a 7/08 that some call a screamer - 3050fps with 140TSX's over H414. I am looking for 3200 with the 140's and I don't know what for the heavier bullets. If I can't get that much over my little 7/08 the SAUM is gone and I will go back to my 30/06 for heaver bullets, or my 300winmag. As always - Thank You Doug Last edited by hornet7722; 02/27/10.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3842375 02/27/10 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,817 So Cal B bigsqueeze Campfire Outfitter bigsqueeze Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,817 So Cal Don`t know how old is old for you, but you can go to the Hodgdon web site, reloadersnest.com (under the "rifles" section0, the 49th edition Lyman Manual, and fine all kinds of reloading data for the 7SAUM. I`m sure from all of those, you`ll find some loads and the velocities you`re looking for. 28 Nosler,,,,300WSM,,,,338-378 Wby,,,,375 Ruger

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3842382 02/27/10 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,926 Likes: 12 Hi-Line SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,926 Likes: 12 Hi-Line If Rancho Loco doesn't see this, send him a PM. He has a M7 in 7SAUM that he loads. Neat cartridge BTW.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN SamOlson #3842503 02/27/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI bigsqueeze, thanks but there are better sites then the Hodgon site and I am looking for some real world experience from guys that actually shoot/hunt with a 7saum

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3842570 02/27/10 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,817 So Cal B bigsqueeze Campfire Outfitter bigsqueeze Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,817 So Cal Originally Posted by hornet7722 bigsqueeze, thanks but there are better sites then the Hodgon site and I am looking for some real world experience from guys that actually shoot/hunt with a 7saum ..............Probably not too many using the 7SAUMs these days.........But I would suspect that any reports using the 7SAUMs wouldn`t vary that much if at all from those using the 7 Remy Mags or the 7WSMs. 28 Nosler,,,,300WSM,,,,338-378 Wby,,,,375 Ruger

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bigsqueeze #3842663 02/27/10 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana I don't think my MV's are going to satisfy your desires. FWIW, you'll have no trouble selling that rifle here on the classified forum. Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Rancho_Loco #3842824 02/27/10 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada P pacer97 Campfire Member pacer97 Campfire Member P Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada Ya if he was in Canada it would go nice with my 300SAUM the real short mags. Just fun! Best Alan

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN pacer97 #3842905 02/27/10 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,499 Sierra Vista, AZ Hawk_Driver Campfire Tracker Hawk_Driver Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,499 Sierra Vista, AZ 22 inch barrel Ruger, IMR 4350 with 140 NBT's, running at 3089. 120 TTSX with IMR 4350, running at 3296. I just recently got this gun, and have been playing with both bullets. Both are shooting under an inch. Just based on cost, I will probably do most of my shooting with the NBT, but may try the TTSX on critters. IMR 4350 gave me the best velocity, I also tried IMR 4831 and RE 19. There is no way to coexist no matter how many bumper stickers there are on Subaru bumpers!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Hawk_Driver #3843006 02/27/10 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada P pacer97 Campfire Member pacer97 Campfire Member P Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada hornet7722 Here not mutch but real world as it gets. http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_bw.asp?CaliberID=287&BulletWeight=140 http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_bw.asp?CaliberID=287&BulletWeight=162 Best Alan; PS. they do have other loads to. Last edited by pacer97; 02/27/10.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3843017 02/27/10 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV Karnis Campfire Outfitter Karnis Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV I have the same rifle (Model 7 7mm SAUM, 22" factory barrel that Karl set back and fluted). Load is 60.0 H4350, 140 gr. Accubond, 3000 fps. Watch the 60 grs. My other 7mm SAUM (Model 700-24" barrel) will not "tolerate" that much powder. It sits at 58.5 grs of H4350.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Karnis #3843049 02/27/10 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada P pacer97 Campfire Member pacer97 Campfire Member P Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada Karnis is your M700 stock(factory). Your M7 sure looks good who's stock. Best Alan

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN pacer97 #3843093 02/27/10 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV Karnis Campfire Outfitter Karnis Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV The 700 is stock. The stock on M7 is a Brown Precision that I bought sometime back. Pun intended.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Karnis #3843135 02/27/10 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada P pacer97 Campfire Member pacer97 Campfire Member P Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada Thanks Karnis my M700 300SAUM BDL is stock to but it sure shoots with the tupperware stock may just paint it. And not to run away with this thread hornet7722 I was told once to take a little Data review it then make my own and don't chase book speeds some times I hate my chronograph. Best Alan see you all later.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN pacer97 #3843766 02/27/10 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,312 Likes: 1 Joplin MO S supercrewd Campfire Tracker supercrewd Campfire Tracker S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,312 Likes: 1 Joplin MO H4350 works well for me with all bullet weights. I have 10 pages of factory loads if you want to PM an email address. Last edited by supercrewd; 02/27/10. NRA Life Member

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN supercrewd #3843777 02/27/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN M700 BDL 24" brl, 140 Partitions, 60 gr H4350 gets 3150. I don't think you'll get to 3200 with a 140 unless you plan to go past SAAMI pressure. I can get close to 3200 in my 24" barrel but seriously doubt a 22" will do it without leaning on it too hard. You're 7mm/08 is likely a bit on the hot side as well. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #3844072 02/27/10 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,923 SE Okla R RNF Campfire Regular RNF Campfire Regular R Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,923 SE Okla hornet7722, I am getting 3118 fps with my Ruger 22" barreled Saum with 139 gr Hornadys with AA 4350. I have a pdf file of some loads Lane Pearce had in Shooting Times with both a Model 7 and a Ruger. It has quite a few loads with there avg vel. and accuracy, if you would like a copy PM me your email. A gun in the hand is worth more than the entire police force on the phone.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #3844086 02/27/10 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 C Calvin Campfire Ranger Calvin Campfire Ranger C Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 Originally Posted by bwinters You're 7mm/08 is likely a bit on the hot side as well. Yup. It would take a good deal of pressure to move a 140gr tsx out of a 7-08 that fast. No thanks.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Calvin #3844109 02/27/10 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 C Calvin Campfire Ranger Calvin Campfire Ranger C Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 IMO, RL-15 and 120 TSX's at 3350 out of a 22" M7 in 7saum is a pretty good way to go.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Calvin #3844282 02/27/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI Ya know, with my 7/08 that's what I thought. Even considered that my 35P was wrong but I was mistaken. Using necked down Lapua brass and Remington brass I am getting 5 to 7 reloadings before the primers start getting loose'ish. No sticky bolt or hard extraction. This is being fired out of a 24" barrel. Also I have noticed that the TXS's seem to run faster then the AB or the Serria's.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3844287 02/27/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI pacer97 that is the site I use most and in fact that is the site I got the 7/08 load from - the one that push's 140's at 3000fps

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3844290 02/27/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail.asp?CaliberID=43&BulletWeight=140&LoadID=11089 this is the 7/08 load I use and it's a real keeper at least in my gun

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3844436 02/27/10 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada P pacer97 Campfire Member pacer97 Campfire Member P Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada hornet7722 I'm not sure why they approved that load that is 10% over my Nosler book hope you worked up to that there is no way the 7SAUM will perform like the only way is to do the same witch it NOT safe man compare the load to a few books. I will not do that to one of my guns and I never want to own a gun that's been pushed that hard. Be safe Alan

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN pacer97 #3845481 02/28/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI Ya I know all that and I asked all those same questions. Yet more then one guy around here is now using that load and one like it with WW powder. We have used at least three crono's to double check MV. And let's not forget that Hornady has a light mag load that does the same thing - 140gr at 3000fps! As soon as the weather gets a little better around here we are going to be testing this load some more with a local smith and a friend of my from the gun industry (that wish's to remain un-named). I do not advise anyone to use this load in their gun. I have my own range and have been reloading for 40 years. All the advice regarding "stiking with the load manuals" is GREAT advice and should be listened to.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3845536 02/28/10 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,547 T thumbcocker Campfire Regular thumbcocker Campfire Regular T Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,547 I have a stock 700 bdl ss. 58 grs. of H-4350 with a 140 gr. accubond gives almost 3200 f.p.s. I don't remember the powder charge, but I get almost 3150 f.p.s. with a 150 partition or core lokt. I know that the 7mm saum is'nt too popular but I think there is a lot to like about it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN thumbcocker #3845860 02/28/10 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada B BCSteve Campfire Regular BCSteve Campfire Regular B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada I just loaded some Hornady 154gr IL with some H414, H4831sc, H4350, RL19 and RL22 for my Rem 700BDL 7mmSAUM. I'll post my result when I get a chance to chrony those. Once I find a powder that seems to have potential I'll be switching to the 150gr TTSX. Kind of a tweener between the 140 and 160.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN BCSteve #3845975 02/28/10 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada P pacer97 Campfire Member pacer97 Campfire Member P Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada thumpcocker your M700 is 24 inch so the 22 would most likely be around 3150 is your load close to max. I cant find H4350 for the 7SAUM in my books if the load is not at max. then the 22inch may be able to work up to the 3200 so desired. Be safe Alan Last edited by pacer97; 02/28/10.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN pacer97 #3845998 02/28/10 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada P pacer97 Campfire Member pacer97 Campfire Member P Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada BCSteve do let us know how they work out. You wouldn't by chance have a 300SAUM in a 700BDL I'm always looking for new load info. Best Alan

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN pacer97 #3846214 02/28/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI http://www.6mmbr.com/7mm284.html#7SAUM here is more food for thought!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN pacer97 #3846596 02/28/10 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,547 T thumbcocker Campfire Regular thumbcocker Campfire Regular T Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,547 Originally Posted by pacer97 thumpcocker your M700 is 24 inch so the 22 would most likely be around 3150 is your load close to max. I cant find H4350 for the 7SAUM in my books if the load is not at max. then the 22inch may be able to work up to the 3200 so desired. Be safe Alan I think either 60 or 61 grs. is max. Also my H-1000 load with 150 gr. bullets is 67 grs. I had a lot of load info from my own loads but some how it has become lost. One other load I have is 63 grs. of retumbo and a 175 gr. bullet. It chronoed right at 2800 f.p.s. No pressure signs.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN thumbcocker #3846807 02/28/10 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada P pacer97 Campfire Member pacer97 Campfire Member P Joined: May 2007 Posts: 144 Alberta, Canada thumbcocker with max. at 60 or 61grs. there is room to push the 22inch barrel into that 3200 range if it will shoot at that but who knows till its tried. There hornet7722 you know the drill I'm sure work up to the 60 or 61grs. of H4350 you my just get your speed good luck. Be safe Alan Last edited by pacer97; 02/28/10.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN pacer97 #3847123 02/28/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI Not even going to try it with a 22", going to be installing a Broughton 5C 24".

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3847454 02/28/10 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,547 T thumbcocker Campfire Regular thumbcocker Campfire Regular T Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,547 BTW I got 3012 f.p.s. with remington 160 gr. factory loads.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN thumbcocker #3850185 03/01/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI see there ya go! keep it coming

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Karnis #3853122 03/02/10 Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 186 Missouri SST Campfire Member SST Campfire Member Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 186 Missouri Originally Posted by Karnis I have the same rifle (Model 7 7mm SAUM, 22" factory barrel that Karl set back and fluted). Load is 60.0 H4350, 140 gr. Accubond, 3000 fps. Watch the 60 grs. My other 7mm SAUM (Model 700-24" barrel) will not "tolerate" that much powder. It sits at 58.5 grs of H4350. For a magnum, I'm surprised at the low velocity. You must have a very slow factory barrel. My 22" 11 twist Shilen gets a hair under 3000fps with 10 gr less powder powder with 140gr Noslers, and groups regularly at 1/2". This is from a 7-08AI. Someone commented that 3000fps seemed hot from a 7-08 with H414 and 140's. My 7-08AI hits 3075fps with 140's and H414. Accuracy, however, is not as good as the sub-3000fps loads with 50.0gr of IMR4381, IMR4350, or H380. Regards, Sam Taylor NRA Life Member NAHC Life Member SST's Rifle Room http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/rifleroom/

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN SST #3854396 03/02/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI Now we're talking! See I'm not nuts, just lucky, and good look'n (Ok I lied about the lucky part)

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #3858563 03/03/10 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,258 Colorado Springs, CO Prwlr Campfire Outfitter Prwlr Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,258 Colorado Springs, CO Originally Posted by hornet7722 bigsqueeze, thanks but there are better sites then the Hodgon site and I am looking for some real world experience from guys that actually shoot/hunt with a 7saum Did you look at the Hodgdon Site? It lists one load with Hybrid 100v that goes 3200 with Nosler BT and couple more close to it with other powders. Ed A person who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes the person who never asks is a fool forever. The worst slaves are those that put the chains on themselves.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Prwlr #3888282 03/12/10 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada B BCSteve Campfire Regular BCSteve Campfire Regular B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada Got to be a few more 7mm SHAMU shooters around the fire?

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN BCSteve #3888313 03/12/10 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! N Nrut Campfire Regular Nrut Campfire Regular N Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! Originally Posted by BCSteve I just loaded some Hornady 154gr IL with some H414, H4831sc, H4350, RL19 and RL22 for my Rem 700BDL 7mmSAUM. I'll post my result when I get a chance to chrony those. Once I find a powder that seems to have potential I'll be switching to the 150gr TTSX. Kind of a tweener between the 140 and 160. Hi Steve, I bought one of these rifles (model 7) last fall and have only shot a few factory rounds to site in.. Did you try out the loads you listed above yet?.. It's a great life if you don't weaken..

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Nrut #3888596 03/12/10 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada B BCSteve Campfire Regular BCSteve Campfire Regular B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada Not yet. Still waiting for my range membership renewal to come in.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN supercrewd #3890781 03/13/10 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,312 Likes: 1 Joplin MO S supercrewd Campfire Tracker supercrewd Campfire Tracker S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,312 Likes: 1 Joplin MO Originally Posted by supercrewd H4350 works well for me with all bullet weights. I have 10 pages of factory loads if you want to PM an email address. Offer still stands... NRA Life Member

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN supercrewd #3890992 03/13/10 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! N Nrut Campfire Regular Nrut Campfire Regular N Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! Originally Posted by supercrewd Originally Posted by supercrewd H4350 works well for me with all bullet weights. I have 10 pages of factory loads if you want to PM an email address. Offer still stands... supercrewed, PM sent with e-mail address.. Thanks! It's a great life if you don't weaken..

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Nrut #3891437 03/13/10 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada B BCSteve Campfire Regular BCSteve Campfire Regular B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada Same here!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN BCSteve #3891599 03/13/10 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,312 Likes: 1 Joplin MO S supercrewd Campfire Tracker supercrewd Campfire Tracker S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,312 Likes: 1 Joplin MO sent NRA Life Member

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN supercrewd #3892581 03/13/10 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada B BCSteve Campfire Regular BCSteve Campfire Regular B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada Got it, thanks!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN BCSteve #3892979 03/13/10 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! N Nrut Campfire Regular Nrut Campfire Regular N Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! Thanks supercrewed, I have been looking for that Lane Pearce article you sent for some time as I have a model 7/7SAUM like he tested... His accuracy/groups looked kinda crappy until I read the fine print at the bottom of the page..Really looking forward to some range time now.. It's a great life if you don't weaken..

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Nrut #3897952 03/15/10 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,073 BC, Canada todbartell Campfire Regular todbartell Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,073 BC, Canada Im pushing 160gr Accubonds to 2980 fps with 66grs RL25 (26" brl m700 Sendero SF)

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN todbartell #4227035 07/08/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand I have a 7mmSAUM as well in a Mod7 but with a 24" tube (std Taitanium barrel) 162 amax @ 3080fps with RL-17 3150fps was getting pretty warm I have not put the RL-22 150's load over the chrony but they group great and is only my bush load so they will be fast enough....did chrony 2gr less and got over 3000fps so I guess around 3100fps? Going to load some 140gr VLD's to see how they go....Just because I have some :P Last edited by Leathel; 07/08/10. Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4227589 07/08/10 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,166 Likes: 13 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,166 Likes: 13 Banana Belt, Montana Here's some data from some shooting I did for a magazine article. My rifle is a Remington 700 BLD stainless/synthetic made around 2002, with a 24" barrel: Hornady 139 Spire Point H4350-60.0 3152 .49 Hornady 139 Spire Point H100V-62.0 3285 .69 Sierra 160 GameKing RL-25-66.0 3044 .87 Sierra 160 GameKing Magnum-68.0 3036 .93 Nosler 175 Partition RL-22-59.0 2872 1.44 I've taken around a dozen animals with the 7mm SAUM, pigs, whitetails and caribou. It works very well, and should, since it's a short-action version of the .280 Remington Ackley Improved. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4228368 07/08/10 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,757 Oklahoma City Ok P Popapi Campfire Tracker Popapi Campfire Tracker P Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,757 Oklahoma City Ok Originally Posted by Leathel Going to load some 140gr VLD's to see how they go....Just because I have some :P If you can find some try 59grns of VV N550 with a COAL 2.7860 lit with a FED215GM and shoot BUG HOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Mule Deer #4228583 07/09/10 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,064 north AL biglmbass Campfire Tracker biglmbass Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,064 north AL Curious MD, were the 139 Hornady bullets BT or flat base? I bought the same gun back when they were cheap, based soley on a mag article of yours several years ago.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN biglmbass #4228604 07/09/10 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,166 Likes: 13 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,166 Likes: 13 Banana Belt, Montana The Hornadys were flat-base. I get blamed for all sorts of stuff! Though this particular rifle is one of the most accurate OTB factory rifles I've ever owned. It shoots factory loads really well too. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN biglmbass #4229818 07/09/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Well I loaded some 140 VLD's with AR2209 (H4350)59-61gr in .5gr steps to run over the chrony and test the groups, Done at mag length so it will have a fair jump as I dont want to single load...have 2217 as well but not the V...that one is new to me I have a short thraot reamer on the way to get the 162 amax on the lands in the mag if required so will help get the vld closer as well Vit powder is not that easy to come by over here but 550 is one of the better stocked ones and one I want to try is other rifles as well so may get some if these don't work....tried N560 in my 243AI but the speeds caped out a little earlier with preasure 100fps slower than AR2209... Fine frosty day so hope to get out after I finish work Last edited by Leathel; 07/09/10. Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4230030 07/09/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,651 Likes: 1 Midwest SKane Campfire Ranger SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,651 Likes: 1 Midwest 62 grains of R22 and 140 Accubomb net me 3050. (M700) I know there's room for improvement(and space) with regards to velocity but it'd be hard to improve upon the accuracy. WWP53D

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Mule Deer #4230315 07/09/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN Originally Posted by Mule Deer Here's some data from some shooting I did for a magazine article. My rifle is a Remington 700 BLD stainless/synthetic made around 2002, with a 24" barrel: Hornady 139 Spire Point H4350-60.0 3152 .49 Hornady 139 Spire Point H100V-62.0 3285 .69 Sierra 160 GameKing RL-25-66.0 3044 .87 Sierra 160 GameKing Magnum-68.0 3036 .93 Nosler 175 Partition RL-22-59.0 2872 1.44 I've taken around a dozen animals with the 7mm SAUM, pigs, whitetails and caribou. It works very well, and should, since it's a short-action version of the .280 Remington Ackley Improved. I believe I have the exact same rifle. I can't near 3000 with a 160 using Re 25 and Magnum. 66 Re 25 nets me 2943, 68 Magnum gets 2963. I've been trying to get to 3000 with a 160 Partition but can't seem to get there. At 2950, accuracy is good so I'm not sweating the extra 50-100 ft/sec. I've grown quite attached to the little 7. I've shot 4-5 animals with it since I picked it up 2 years ago. It is an honest rifle. The average group size in my rifle for all loads shot through it is 1.51" for 3 shots. Have shot numerous sub 1" groups - especialy with H4831 and Re 22. The problem is that the velocity is a shade less than 2900 for both. Thanks for the info. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4230663 07/09/10 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,576 Stark, WI Whelen Nut Campfire Tracker Whelen Nut Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,576 Stark, WI Originally Posted by bwinters Have shot numerous sub 1" groups - especialy with H4831 and Re 22. The problem is that the velocity is a shade less than 2900 for both. Thanks for the info. bw I fail to see where the problem is here. Looks good to me. If it can do 2" or under at 200yds you'll have a mighty fine shooter. WN 'Tis far better to walk alone than to follow a crowd going the wrong way.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Whelen Nut #4231384 07/10/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN Don't necessarily disagree, maybe "problem" isn't the right word. Curious would be better - I know of 2-3 other folks that routinely break 3000 with a 160 in their 7SAUM's. Not a huge issue but one I am curious about why I can't get there with mine. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4231459 07/10/10 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,576 Stark, WI Whelen Nut Campfire Tracker Whelen Nut Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,576 Stark, WI bw I know what you mean. I have a 270 that acts the same way. It should be about 100fps faster but is so darn accurate out to 400 I just gave up and feed it what it likes. Can't say I'm disappointed just curious, like you. WN 'Tis far better to walk alone than to follow a crowd going the wrong way.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4232838 07/10/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand the tighter chambers will get more speed per powder use....also if you have a longer throat and load for the mag you will drop a bit of speed......then there is temp and Altitude..... Do you get preasure signs with your near 3k? Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4232859 07/10/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand 59.5gr of AR22009 (4350) gave the best group but didn't fire the 60.5 and 61 loads as faiding light meant the chrony wouldn't read the speeds .... slightly tight lift on the bolt at 60 but with no speeds I will load 59.5 again and if it is slow I will shoot the hotter ones....But the 4 shot group went in .475 and if I drop one the rest were .248 and all three groups I shot had similar POI and a total group of 1.2" so I hope it wont be affected to much by temp and Alt. Last edited by Leathel; 07/11/10. Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4234075 07/11/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN I haven't gone above the published charges because with every other bullet I've tried in it - mainly 140's, it behaves "correctly" - I get close or even exceed a bit what the books say. I have a few rifles that when Hodgdon says I should get X velocity with ABC bullet/powder/primer combo I get very close to X. For example, my rifle likes H4831 and Re 22 with 160's. My loads are: Re 22, 59.0 for 2870, H4831, 59.5, for 2906. The Lyman manual says I should get 2972 and 2884, Nosler says 2942, 2901, respectively. The H4831 is close enough, Re 22 is not. With Magnum and Re 25 loaded at 68/3020, and 66/3024, I get 2940 and 2943 at those charges. Weirdly with 140's I'm always catious when approaching max because I "tend" to get more velocity with stated charges than the books say. I don't own magic rifles and when my components exactly match presure tested loads, I tend to heed the velocity readings more than the charge. I will say I've had similar circumstances with Re 22 before in different cartridges. Not so much wih Re 25, and just about never with Re 15. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4234083 07/11/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN Originally Posted by Leathel the tighter chambers will get more speed per powder use....also if you have a longer throat and load for the mag you will drop a bit of speed......then there is temp and Altitude..... Do you get preasure signs with your near 3k? I haven't broke 3000 with any 160 load - and have gotten stiff bolt lift at a couple of max charges. I had an issue with this rifle when I first got it with respect to showing pressure signs. During my barrel break-in, scope sighting etc, I always load 10-20 low-mid rnage loads just to get it on paper and "break" in the barrel. I was getting ejector marks on the cases at minimum charges and velocity. Took it to a local gunsmith specializing in M700's and he found a small rough spot near the shoulder/neck junction. He surmissed the finish reamer didn't quite finish the chamber which lead to a couple thousands bump in the shoulder. He polished the area and all has been well. I think the problem is solved but I suspect my chamber isn't perfect and does give me pressure signs at max loads. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4235832 07/11/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand If you have preasure signs I guess that is it....Try some Reloader 17 if you want speed.....Gave me extra in my 243AI and SAUM...the 243AI went faster than N560, W760, AR2209 (4350), 2213SC with all taken to preasure signs...the 17 was a good 100fps faster in a 22" tube but I stuck with the tried and trued at this stage untill I have the time to test seating depths etc as the groups were average Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4236062 07/11/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand The pics of the weekends groups at 100Yrds and this is the 3 groups traced (59, 59.5, 60) Quite happy with the results...especialy with those targets as I prefer a squate or diamond to line up on...with the square aiming for a corner or diamond with the crosscrossing each corner...the circle center is harder to get exactly the same... Will be loading 59.5 again to check FPS and confirm the groups Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4236396 07/11/10 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana FWIW.. And to add to the discussion.. I ran 120 TTSX's over 63 1/2 grains of H4350 today for sub MOA groups at 3387 fps. avg. I'm going to have trouble picking a load to work with this season. Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Rancho_Loco #4236454 07/11/10 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 C Calvin Campfire Ranger Calvin Campfire Ranger C Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 That's pretty good... It's going to be hard to leave that 7saum at home!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Calvin #4236468 07/11/10 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana It might be going for lots of trips this year, and making a lot of other rifles jealous.. Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4238308 07/12/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN Hey L, Good shooting! What is the velocity of the Re 17 and associated charge weights you have in the picture? Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Calvin #4238316 07/12/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN I have to say, I'm really growing fond of my SAUM as well. Near 7 mag performance with less recoil in a 7.5 lb rifle. I'm also digging my 300 SAUM as well. Re 17 has given me 3000+ ft/sec with a 180 - in a light rifle and at acceptable recoil. Much to like in both. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4238875 07/12/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Originally Posted by bwinters Hey L, Good shooting! What is the velocity of the Re 17 and associated charge weights you have in the picture? The picture is ADI AR2209 (same powder as H4350) 59.5 with the 140VLD Hunting pill, 7 1/2lb hunting rig built on a Mod 7 KS with a 24" tube and I didn't get a read on the chrony.. Error2....fading light so will load some more and chrony them again and may try some RL17 with the 140's as well The RL17 groups are further down my pile of targets (will have a gander when time permits) and are OK but not quite as tight but I haven't tried it with the 140's yet just the 162 amax up to 3150fps with tight lift, 3080 no preasure I am also loading for a 7mm Rem mag but it kicks like a mule compared to the mod7 although it is 1/2 lb lighter again with a slimmer recoil pad and going 80fps faster (with the 162 pills)but with RL22 Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4239060 07/12/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN I use H4350 for my 140 Nosler's as well; in fact my rifle likes 60 grains for a bit over 3100 ft/sec. I tried Re 17 but found I couldn't get to 60 grains w/o pressure signs. At 58 grains, my 140's were moving 3140. I have 56-58 grains loaded for more testing. I think Re 17 is a bit faster burning than H4350 - at least in my rifles. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4240944 07/13/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand What primers were you using with the Reloader 17 ? I was told by a target shooter that shoots 7mmWSM that Magnum primers are a must for reloader 17....And the 162amax load reached preasure with 59.5grains for me @3150 (to much streach)...but with 59g of it I got 3080fps and minimal streach and thats was a heavier pill Norma cases (300 necked down) and 215 Fed primers.... Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4241327 07/13/10 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Originally Posted by bwinters I use H4350 for my 140 Nosler's as well; in fact my rifle likes 60 grains for a bit over 3100 ft/sec. That load shoots awesome in my Little 7.. Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4242386 07/14/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN I use Rem 9.5 magnum for all my SAUMs. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Rancho_Loco #4242387 07/14/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN It don't suck in my rifle either Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4272628 07/25/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Well I had the loads accross the chrony.....the speeds are a bit down ......but the second test of 59.5 also grouped well .385 after you drop the shot I fluffed big time, I also shot the 60.5 and 61 ADI AR2209 (H4350) loads, the 61 had tight lift but the 60.5 was ok, Yet to measure the brass for stretch I need to test the 60.5 again as the rifle was starting to foul after 20 shots (shot a few 150's to empty the case and have fun as well) 2975fps with the 59.5gr load and 3068 with the 60.5gr load Will test the loads at 300 next time to see how they go...maybee do some RL17 to see if there is more spead in it with the 140's Last edited by Leathel; 07/25/10. Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4329219 08/15/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand I shot my 7mmSAUM with the 140's and Reloader 17 and found my lightest load was a little warm with it having slightly tight lift on the bolt.....But @3330 fps The next load in my ladder was 1gr up so I will pull the hotter ones and load some smaller stepped loads below and may be one .3 hotter and see how it groups......The load tried was 1.5" @100 so not the best ....but it sure got the speed....and recoil Might fit a brake if I get a hot one grouping Last edited by Leathel; 08/15/10. Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4346159 08/21/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI So it's looking like R17 is gaining speed as they say with the 7SAUM's - very interesting

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4346449 08/21/10 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 C Calvin Campfire Ranger Calvin Campfire Ranger C Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 Originally Posted by Leathel I shot my 7mmSAUM with the 140's and Reloader 17 and found my lightest load was a little warm with it having slightly tight lift on the bolt.....But @3330 fps The next load in my ladder was 1gr up so I will pull the hotter ones and load some smaller stepped loads below and may be one .3 hotter and see how it groups......The load tried was 1.5" @100 so not the best ....but it sure got the speed....and recoil Might fit a brake if I get a hot one grouping hot!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4347422 08/22/10 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 5,185 CT C CLB Campfire Tracker CLB Campfire Tracker C Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 5,185 CT Even if you brake it, it ain't gonna make your action feel any better. Too hot is just that!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN CLB #4348380 08/22/10 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 C Calvin Campfire Ranger Calvin Campfire Ranger C Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,479 Likes: 10 I'm going to guess 80k. Not my cup of tea..

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN CLB #4351196 08/23/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Not going to load it that hot with the 17 CLB...when time permits I will do some with less powder.....I sould be getting no tight lift at 3200...maybee... But I will work up from lower and see how the groups go...If I can get them grouping @3200 with no preasure signs I will be stoked. The brake is to be able to spot the shots as even the light load has to much lift to spot the shots The 2209 light load with 140 VLD's certainly opened well on goats... Exit hole at 240yrds (not to gory I hope) the one shot at 40 had a bigger hole but had my sons 100gr 6.5 BR hole beside it so wont bother posting that (He asked me to finish it but I would have said it was about to drop as his was a good shot) Last edited by Leathel; 08/23/10. Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4386336 09/05/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand RL17 update....59.5 gave me a reasonable group with the 140's and at 3185fps still 200fps faster than AR2209 (H4350) and no preasure signs at all...no tight lift and brass hasn't moved, 60.5 was the start of preasure with slightly tight lift but the primer looked OK, 3268 fps and crappy group...will load 59gr and 59.5 again before I decide weather I stick with the slow but deadly accurate load or settle for OK group and the extra 200fps:) Last edited by Leathel; 09/05/10. Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4405322 09/11/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI DAMN that's all I can say DAMN!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4406008 09/12/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN L - I get 3150 with H4350 in my 7 SAUM shooting 60.0 grains. Have you tried a bit more powder? Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4408064 09/12/10 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada B BCSteve Campfire Regular BCSteve Campfire Regular B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,666 BC, Canada I bought a pound of RL17 today to try in my .260 Rem. I'll have to give it a try in my 7 SAUM as well.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4408656 09/12/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Originally Posted by bwinters L - I get 3150 with H4350 in my 7 SAUM shooting 60.0 grains. Have you tried a bit more powder? I went futher with the 2209 (4350) until I hit preasure and the groupes opened a bit.....not bad groups still....sub MOA but still not as good as the slower load, I am using 210 primers so might get a bit more with magnum primers but in the past I have had better groups with LR primers with similar cases and 2209 But when the weather settles again I have some loaded @ 58.5 - 59.4 in .3 steps with 17 to check the groups....(215 pimers with 17) be nice to have 3200fps Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4408890 09/13/10 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Don't get caught up in chasing velocity. Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Rancho_Loco #4409474 09/13/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 F fredIII Campfire Outfitter fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 i got rl17 to shoot in the .3 with 160gr accubonds but fps is only 2777. but that is fast enough for me if it under .75 and slow like that i can live with it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Rancho_Loco #4409982 09/13/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco Don't get caught up in chasing velocity. yeah I have more loaded at the slower speed if I need to hunt with it they will be used.....Idealy with an extra 100fps gets me to the distance I want with plenty of energy....at the moment its just short but looking how well the VLD opened it may be enough enegry as is....wont be testing it for a while as its Lambing time over here so no shooting goats on the bluffs for a while (testing as in taking goats around the 4-500 where it still has plney of energy)....600-800 yrds is as close as we can get for some of the bluffs and the 300RUM works a treat but its as heavy as to lug, hense the rebarrel on this rifle to give it legs then its the cart rifle and longer shot rifle..... Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Karnis #4412249 09/14/10 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 14,104 Boot Heel of New Mexico mudhen Campfire Outfitter mudhen Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2005 Posts: 14,104 Boot Heel of New Mexico I load 140 grain ABs for a friend who has a Remington TI in 7 SAUM and we are getting around 3,150 with 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 and around 3,130 with 62.0 grains of RL-22. These are maximum loads in his rifle. I have been loading these for my .280 AI (which has approximately the same case capacity) for several years. I can get around 3,150 with several powders, but using 61.5 grains of RL-22 gives a me smidgen over 3,100 and the best accuracy. I think that you could probably find a load that would approach 3,200 with a 24-inch barrel, but the pressures would likely be more than I would be comfortable with. Ben Some days it takes most of the day for me to do practically nothing...

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN mudhen #4415963 09/15/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand 3150fps is the required speed for me to get the energy I am after and I can acheive that with most powders but accuracy has suffered (being fussy with the groups for longer shots), I am loading mag length so that will hinder my speeds a bit as there is a big jump (may try closer and if the POI is good may single load for longer shots), Reloader 17 has the required speed and at 3200 is well down on preasure compared to others at lower speeds.....maybee a longer preasure wave gets the speed....more efficent burn for the full length of the barrel? Heres hopeing the lighter loads of 17 gets the mint group and 3150+...... Next if that doesn't work will be to up the pills size to use BC to get the range but as I had the 140's there and they do shoot pretty well in the rifle I was hoping to stick with them Time will tell Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4428535 09/19/10 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI hornet7722 OP Campfire Regular OP hornet7722 Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 743 Grand Rapids, MI Now this thread is getting really interesting isn't it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4428737 09/19/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN Went down the same road. I'm shooting 160 Partitions at 2950-2975 using H1000. I just ran the numbers, at 2950 and a 3" zero at 100 yards, the bullet will be down 30" at 500. Don't expect to shoot that far but its nice to know that I can hold on hair and still kill the animal. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4429601 09/19/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Originally Posted by bwinters Went down the same road. I'm shooting 160 Partitions at 2950-2975 using H1000. I just ran the numbers, at 2950 and a 3" zero at 100 yards, the bullet will be down 30" at 500. Don't expect to shoot that far but its nice to know that I can hold on hair and still kill the animal. I went down the road of hold over and now dial the ranges with the zero at 100 as you can do charts for different altitudes etc and just tape the relivent chart for the area to the stock (it is not uncomon to have 4,500-5000 feet diference in alt in area's over here), then dial for the ranges...... as past 300yrds you have ample time to range the animal look at the chart taped to the stock, dial the scope and hold dead on where you want to shoot....bering in mind as you get further out the bullet is going on a down hill angle so the further out you shoot you lift the POI slightly With the 100yrd zero it also takes doubt out when head shooting the meat fallow we take ....head shots only on a farm we take meat animals from but you can usualy get within 100 yrds so its nice to put the cross where you need it...and I can adjust up a click or two if its nearer 200 The 7mmSAUM is a very capable cal.....ging to sell my 300RUM as the extra punch is not needed over here...no beers or the likes Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4429657 09/20/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN Originally Posted by Leathel [quote=bwinters] The 7mmSAUM is a very capable cal.....ging to sell my 300RUM as the extra punch is not needed over here...no beers or the likes No beers - blaspemy! Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4431593 09/20/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Originally Posted by bwinters Originally Posted by Leathel [quote=bwinters] The 7mmSAUM is a very capable cal.....ging to sell my 300RUM as the extra punch is not needed over here...no beers or the likes No beers - blaspemy! ohh make that plenty of beers and no bears oh and plenty of Rum and whisky tooo Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #4445936 09/24/10 Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2,111 Enderby,British Columbia M Monashee Campfire Regular Monashee Campfire Regular M Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2,111 Enderby,British Columbia Anyone shooting the 120 TSX or TTSX in their 7SAUM? I have a good 140gr TSX load with H4350 but for some reason have been getting pressure signs with the same load and 140TTSXs,and also with the 120TSX and H4350 at less than max listed Barnes loads.I'll be trying some H414 tomorrow. Monashee Support the BC Wildlife Federation

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Monashee #4446604 09/25/10 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Rancho_Loco #4446745 09/25/10 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,702 WI S SAUMHUNTER79 Campfire Regular SAUMHUNTER79 Campfire Regular S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,702 WI Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco Very nice!

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN SAUMHUNTER79 #4447566 09/25/10 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! N Nrut Campfire Regular Nrut Campfire Regular N Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! Rancho Loco, How far off the lands are you running your 120 TTSX? I am having problems, like 2.5"-3.25" groups with the same load using TSX's out of my M7 is why I ask.. Thanks Primers? They may be shown on your target info but all I am getting now is a RED X... It's a great life if you don't weaken..

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Nrut #4447639 09/25/10 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana About .005" shorter than the mag box, which is waaaay far away from the lands. Primers are CCI LR Magnums. Rifle is shooting everything into tiny groups. 1.75" groups today with 150 gr. BT's out at 400 meters. Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Rancho_Loco #4448055 09/25/10 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! N Nrut Campfire Regular Nrut Campfire Regular N Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,640 In the land of halfwits! Rancho Loco, Our OAL is basically the same and I am using Fed 215's.. My M7 is still in it's factory tupperware so that may be part of the problem although I did get a few sub MOA groups using 120gr Hornady and NBT's.. Anyway thanks for that info.. It's a great life if you don't weaken..

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Nrut #4448143 09/25/10 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana I couldn't recommend strongly enough for you to ditch that factory plastic and bed it into a McEdge. Keep at it, my M7 was finicky at the beginning, but once I got it dialed it in, it's a dream rifle. Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Rancho_Loco #4448566 09/26/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN I have to say, both my SAUM's are a bit on the finicky side. I ditched the plastic and bought a couple of Ti take-offs. Things settled a bit but both are still more finicky than I like - especially with Partitions. Of course they are my bullet of choice........... I've switched to Fed 215's for my 7 but shoot WLR in my 300. One of the issues I'm sure you are having is the location of the lands and grooves relative to your mag box length. My 300 has L&G at 2.950 with a 180 Nosler - my mag box only accepts 2.84. It's not quite as bad for my 7. I did some tests with longer COAL and found my rifles shoot alot better when the bullets are at least within sight of the L&G. I shot some dang good groups at between 5 and 10 off L&G. All that being said, my 7 likes a case full of H1000 under a 160 Partition - 1" groups or better. I'm still playing with my 300 but tried some 180 Hornady and H100V yesterday - both have promise. One other note, my rifles likes the lower powder charges. Load something - esp Re 22 and H 4831 in the 7, and any of the 4350's in the 300 and groups tighten significantly. I didn't buy my SAUM's to get 7mm-08/308 velocities............ Good luck and keep at it. TSX's have always been very accurate for me in several rifles I've shot them. Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #4448576 09/26/10 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,472 Northern Arizona S SU35 Campfire Outfitter SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,472 Northern Arizona Quote I have a 7/08 that some call a screamer - 3050fps with 140TSX's over H414 I call it a time bomb.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN SU35 #4448659 09/26/10 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,852 Smoky Mountains, TN Originally Posted by SU35 Quote I have a 7/08 that some call a screamer - 3050fps with 140TSX's over H414 I call it a time bomb. Agreed. I get ~ 3100-3150 in 7 SAUM with a 140 cup/core. Load data I've seen for the TSX from the 7 SAUM is only running ~ 3100 give or take 50. Hodgdon's website shows max loads with C/C ging to 2866. Their H414 load for a 140 does 2791. I wouldn't put my face behind a 7-08 shooting those loads. .......... Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN bwinters #4449046 09/26/10 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,472 Northern Arizona S SU35 Campfire Outfitter SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,472 Northern Arizona Quote I wouldn't put my face behind a 7-08 shooting those loads. .......... You got that right. He's got to be running at least 80,000 psi.

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN SU35 #4449858 09/26/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand much nicer to have a mild SAUM load that the brass will last than a hot 7-08.....not that all my loads have been mild Last edited by Leathel; 09/26/10. Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #4450343 09/26/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand I am not to sure about using the 140VLD for bigger animals after shooting a magpie in the weekend.......Impresive blow apart but it appears the pill broke up on just a bird and this is with my slow load......didn't find it to check how muck was in one piece but there seamed to be a few bullet tracks in the ground behind the bird.....When Lambing is over the goats are going to cop a few more shots to check expansion...shoulder and down the length of the goat.....if they dont work they will be the goat loads and I will get some 140TSX's or 160AB's I am going to have a play with N165 and Hybrid 1000 as well with the 162 amax for the long shots : ) Magpie pic's Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN hornet7722 #4491082 10/10/10 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Leathel Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 54 New Zealand Had a play with Hybrid V100 and the 140AB's.....seams to be a good powder just need to test for accuracy, ladder had preasure signs creaping in at 3250fps (just slightly tight lift no ejector stamp) So will load some up to test groups and I will start at were I was getting 3100fps......I have left the VLD load with the slow load as its just to accurate to mess with Hunting fishing its all good

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN Leathel #8037965 09/03/13 Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 48 T texote Campfire Greenhorn texote Campfire Greenhorn T Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 48 Anyone using h4350 with 168?

Re: 7SAUM - AGAIN texote #8037982 09/03/13 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Too fast IMO.. Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...