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Kurz Mauser question #3842977 02/27/10
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OP kla Campfire Greenhorn K Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 42	I just talked to a guy that has one these for sale in 7X57. I have never seen one of these, but I always thought they were for cartridges that were considerably shorter than 57 mm. the guy says the action hasn't been opened up or anything. Thanks for any info.

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Re: Kurz Mauser question kla #3842992 02/27/10
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121	Don't get it confused, the Kurz action was a commercial Mauser action. There are shorter military Mauser rifles that are called Kurz Mausers because they are shorter in overall length (butt to muzzle) but still sport a typical 98 action. A commercial Kurz magazine length is a bit shorter than the 2.8" magazine length of today's short actions. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Kurz Mauser question Steelhead #3843247 02/27/10
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butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,346 Poetry, Texas	kla, I have some photos with a tape measure along the action if you would like to see them. I am a buyer for a Kurz if it is for sale. Butch

Re: Kurz Mauser question butchlambert1 #3843256 02/27/10
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121	Don't think it's a commercial Kurz action "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Kurz Mauser question Steelhead #3843364 02/27/10
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OP kla Campfire Greenhorn K Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 42	a picture shosw the thumb cut on the left side of the receiver like the military 98s. Did the commercial actions have said cut?

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Re: Kurz Mauser question kla #3843417 02/27/10
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121	Yes, if memory serves. You ain't jamming a 7x57 in one. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Kurz Mauser question Steelhead #3843445 02/27/10
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butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,346 Poetry, Texas	A Kurz has a thumb cut. The mag length is 2.725 and the receiver length is 8.125". The Kurz that I have seen had double set triggers. Butch Last edited by butchlambert1; 02/27/10.

Re: Kurz Mauser question Steelhead #3843571 02/27/10
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BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	Ditto the one's I have seen (2 IIRC);they are "short" and there is little mistaking them for anyhting else. The one's I saw were for 250-3000. I don't think you can squeeze a 7x57 into them. The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: Kurz Mauser question BobinNH #3843761 02/27/10
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Jericho Campfire Outfitter J Joined: May 2002 Posts: 10,005 Likes: 1	I have heard of Kurz Mausers in .35 Remington, but have never seen one.

Re: Kurz Mauser question Jericho #3843837 02/27/10
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bcp Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,605 Likes: 1 SW WA	I've seen "Kurz Mauser" applied to the Yugoslavian M48 Mauser, which is slightly shorter than the standard 98. It really is an intermediate length, not short. Make sure that is not happening here, if you really want a "Kurz." Bruce

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Re: Kurz Mauser question bcp #3843896 02/27/10
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muledeer Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,704 Ketchikan, AK, USA	Here is a 6.5x54 Kurz... Full length... Dennis "The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets." "If you're asking me something technical, you may be looking for My Other Brother Darrell." "It ain't foot-pounds that kills stuff -- it's broken body parts."

Re: Kurz Mauser question muledeer #3843919 02/27/10
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like2shoot Campfire Tracker Joined: May 2004 Posts: 3,951 Tidewater, VA.	Here is a 6.5x54 Kurz... Dennis, what is the parent cartridge, the Russian round? Everything you now do is something you have chosen to do. Some people don't want to believe that. But if you're over age twenty-one, your life is what you're making of it. To change your life, you need to change your priorities.

Re: Kurz Mauser question muledeer #3843926 02/27/10
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121	But that ain't a Kurz action is it? Last edited by Steelhead; 02/27/10. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Kurz Mauser question Steelhead #3844782 02/28/10
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butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,346 Poetry, Texas	I am pretty sure that is not a Kurz receiver. Butch

Re: Kurz Mauser question like2shoot #3845906 02/28/10
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muledeer Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,704 Ketchikan, AK, USA	Originally Posted by like2shoot "Here is a 6.5x54 Kurz..." Dennis, what is the parent cartridge, the Russian round? Russian? Hardly! It's German -- a shortened version of the 7x57 that was developed in the early 20th century for hunting there. It was designed with a slower twist specifically for shooting 120-130 grain bullets. I generally reform .243 brass; it comes out about x52, but the 2mm short is from the neck, and the neck is plenty long at x52. (To be clear, this case and its development has nothing to do with the Mannlicher-Shoenauer 6.5x54, nor the Husqvarna 6.5x55. The base is, rather, the same size as the 6.5x57, 7x57, 8x57, 9x57, and 9.3x57.) Interestingly enough, when "Germania Waffenwerk AG Zella-Mehlis" escaped the Russia takeover of East German in 1945 and moved everything they could to West Germany, they re-opened the factory under the family name -- Anschutz. I honestly don't know how long the action is -- guess I could go check it. But it is certainly a factory-manufactured, original in all ways, 6.5x54 Kurz. Dennis "The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets." "If you're asking me something technical, you may be looking for My Other Brother Darrell." "It ain't foot-pounds that kills stuff -- it's broken body parts."

Re: Kurz Mauser question muledeer #3845922 02/28/10
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TC1 Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 7,132	Neat rifle!

Re: Kurz Mauser question TC1 #3846303 02/28/10
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butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,346 Poetry, Texas	It is a neat rifle! I believe it may have Kurz as a cartridge, but it is not a Kurz receiver. Butch

Re: Kurz Mauser question muledeer #3846328 02/28/10
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rifle Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,720 now in SC	I'll take it...!! Come on America, Athletes and actors are not heroes, only soldiers, airmen,marines and sailors get that respect�and let's add firemen and LEO's

Re: Kurz Mauser question rifle #3846459 02/28/10
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butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,346 Poetry, Texas	So would I.

Re: Kurz Mauser question butchlambert1 #3846562 02/28/10
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muledeer Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,704 Ketchikan, AK, USA	Originally Posted by butchlambert1 It is a neat rifle! I believe it may have Kurz as a cartridge, but it is not a Kurz receiver. Butch I guess I have to measure it. So who manufactured what you call "Kurz" rifles? Is this like saying you have a rifle chambered for a Remington cartridge, but it's not a Remington rifle? "Kurz" is German for "short", but is that also a brand? This is getting curious... And no, it's not for sale... . Dennis "The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets." "If you're asking me something technical, you may be looking for My Other Brother Darrell." "It ain't foot-pounds that kills stuff -- it's broken body parts."

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