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"On October 1, 2008, the US Army announced that the 3rd Infantry Division�s 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command (NORTHCOM), as an on-call federal response force for natural or man-made emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

This marks the first time an active U.S. Army unit will be given a dedicated assignment to NORTHCOM, where it is stated they may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control........"

-Wikipedia

I'm kinda with TLee on this one. I think a big majority of the military to be conservative, and actually anti-Obama. I would very surprised if more of the military didn't end up on the anti-federal side of a civil war.

If this really happened, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

MM

AMEN!!!!

I'll work toward non-violent resolution, but federal powers must be drastically reduced - no exception.

I read TFA and the author only believes in one thing - his paycheck. He is obviously totally devoid of any moral code other than "doing his job". It wouldn't matter if the Left or the Right stood up, he'd crush either. The guy is a total automaton, like a Star Wars Storm Trooper.

Unfortunately, I think he is pretty much typical of what you'd find in any walk of life. Give him his Bread & Circuses and he'd follow whatever orders were given.

You forgot to remind everyone about the numerous felonies that might be committed...

Felonies That the peaple will committ or Felonies that the government has and will also committ?

We'd probably be surprised at how many true patriots there are in the military. In a SHTF situation I don't think the "just following orders" kind of guys will last long.

Their own buddies will fix what ails them.

I took the same oath this guy took and I wouldn't have taken up arms against this country regardless of who gave the order. I guess we are supposed to be frightened . I have seen a lot of civilians i would rather not mess with than most Marines who have let the job go to their heads.

Firing on civilians would be an UN-lawful order, one he seems to be cool with.

Are we forgetting what happened at Kent State? Did they ever locate the weapons that the protester used to fire on the NG?
Will the kid next door, trained in urban warfare in Iraq follow "orders" when told?
I've asked "soldiers" if they'd fire on civilians.
Most get all pissed off and try and change the subject.
I'm surprised Baby Bushka didn't declare Martial Law when Barry stole the election from McPlain.

Well the blog has been taken down for whatever that's worth.

The military will follow orders they are Federal employees. Their job is to defend and protect the national government at all cost including killing their own family members if necessary.

Don't count on the military for any kind of support. That's why many states considering creating state militias for their own defense.

There has been much talk that those of us who were in the military and swore a oath to defend and uphold the Constitution are still bound by that oath. However, nothing the present national government or any previous national government (or maybe more correctly administrations)for the last 100+ years is constitutional. Therefore, no body is bound to support the national government when the national government goes rogue.

First things first..Do you honestly think our Generals would give the orders to take up arms against civilians? The vast majority of combat arms service men are right leaning folks. One more thing to consider, you can reference incidents from years ago when soldiers took up arms against civilians, but that was in an age before TV, Radio, the internet. What I'm getting at is people (servicemen) aren't ignorant as to what's going on in this country.

I digress
The Youts in the services now are less properly educated about the constitution and what it means or how it has been cyphered for them.

Ask a couple of vets back from the sandbox and get back to us on their reply on what they'd do.
I was just following orders.

In answer to all your questions, YES!

All the national government would have to do is shoot a couple of generals for mutiny on the spot and all the other generals will be falling all over themselves to see who is the first one to send troops against the people.

The generals and admirals are Federal employees of the national government they will obey their orders and do their duty.

Remember, everything the military is doing today is unconstitutional.

I guess we will fight who we have to fight. Freedom at all cost!

They won't need to shoot them, they will just give the order and ask if the general has a problem with it. If he has any reservations they will remove him and give the order to the next guy.

I suggest that you look at the history of the bonus marchers from July 1932. General Douglas MacArthur, assisted by Majors Patton and Eisenhower killed 1 and injured 50 vets who were peacefully demonstrating for early payment of a bonus that had been promised to them by Congress. I'm pretty sure that they had radio then.

Another example is Kent State in May of 1970 where the ONG fired on students, and I'm pretty sure that had radio AND TV then.

Also keep in mind that we do have Generals like Wesley Clark, and that quite a few in current leadership positions in the military today were junior officers under Clinton, and may actually have the same worldview. I know I left the Navy Reserves in 1993-94 because of the radical changes that were taking place in the military at that time.

Never assume that it cannot happen here, as it has in the past, and there will always be those willing to gain power or position at the expense of others, and if that means firing on or beating up people that they don't know, or with whom they do not identify, then they will do so, and use the cover of "following orders" as their reason.

I was in the National Guard during the Kent State affair. I'm very familiar with that event. Like all National Guard soldiers I was trained to protect government assets at all cost. I would have fired on or bayoneted to death any civilian I was ordered to do so. I did not know any better. I did not agree with the Vietnam War but my training said I was not to reason why I was to do or die.

It takes age and wisdom to understand the foolishness of this and that it was unconstitutional. So as usual you are right.

I guess according to Bob we must be demented.