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Charlie

He is just pandering to his base hunters in Nv. In Oregon, Peter DeFazio gets high marks from NRA and he is probably one of the most Socialist congressmen in the house. Smart leftist congressmen, in the west join NRA ,because they have memories of Dems. being defeated, in the past, on their anti-gun positions.........

The NRA has invited Rudolph Giulliani to their gatherings so they do have a history of inviting liberals even if this wasn't the case at this function.

Like Jan Libourel I am opposed to making the NRA a "package deal" for all "conservative" positions. The NRA is a GUN lobby. As much as I oppose abortion for instance, the NRA is NOT my anti-abortion lobby, and I don't want them to be.

The way I understand it, Reid legislatively assisted in obtaining the 61 million dollar funding for the acquisition of this 2900 acres of which the shooting sports were to be an integral theme for the land usage.

It is common for Lapierre to be present at the openings of such events,FC. It's not as though LaPierre flew into town and stayed at Reid's home trying to obtain Reid's lifetime membership fees and then buddy off to the range for a skeet shoot.

I'll bet LaPierre has even been in the presence of Schumer, Pelosi and even..dare I say it..Bam-Bam himself.

Well said Cole!

The NRA is a single issue organization. Total gun based focus extending of course to all legal gun based activities. If you have ever read LaPierre or heard him speak this is not a surprise. Every national election there are some Demokrats on the NRA sample ballot. They're not there because of their fiscal beliefs or opinion on abortion. They're there because of firearms related voting record. That being said I'm willing to bet Wayne would have kissed a frog rather than stand alongside that poor excuse for an American.

Good back ground information. I am always amazed at some that find some convoluted event or position to use to attack the NRA. Disregard the 1000's of successes that the NRA accomplishes most of them unknown that are never mentioned. I work at a lot of outdoor show events mainly for SCI, but many times gun issues are discussed. I marvel at a few that damn the NRA because they can't own a fully auto machine gun or that the NRA doesn't oppose every requirement of gun ownership including selling to criminals or mentally ill. This group will state they have the right to own a machine gun if they choose. Now with all the kooks & possible terrorist I don't want someone with an unlicensed machine gun running around the country. The lobbyist & Wayne Lapierre know when to pick a fight & when to compromise. Its the basis of our political system. Even sportsman from another country I have met would love to have our NRA to support their gun ownership rights.

So you support the NRA's support for the Bush 1989 semi-auto ban enforcement?

The NRA is pro gun. That is their only concern. The NRA endorses some real douchebags but the douchebags they endorse are pro gun regardless of their other faults.

How many full autos have been involved in the commission of crimes? I mean, legal ones? The NRA sold out the legal full auto people in '86 with the passage of McClure-Volkmer. Even though many of us have enjoyed the benefits of being able to buy long guns across state lines, some of us felt that the NRA leadership allowed us to be divided and conquered. The only reason full autos are not legal right now is that they are a hot-button issue. Some of us feel that the NRA has compromised many of our rights away. The old adage that the 2nd ain't about duck hunting couldn't be more true than today. I personally despise gun owners who won't support the rights of all gun owners and want to exclude anybody who isn't into their clay pigeon guns or collectibles and could care less about the rights of EBR owners or handgunners. In fact, I like them less than dyed-in-the-wool antis, because they are dickweasels who betray their fellows.

Oulufinn,
That is a fair enough question that I was not expecting but will gladly try to answer because I find this situation very alarming.
Frankly, I am not sure if I believe the NRA would support Reid over the Republican candidate. In the past, I have seen them get in bed with a lot of people I would not personally support, simply because their regional folks thought that the conservative candidate did not stand as great a chance of winning an election. In point of fact, they ended up ignoring their own political ratings of the candidates in question at that time and supporting folks that had a lower NRA rating and who were extremely detestable people, just because with the NRA's help they were electable. In that way, without ever sticking their neck out for the more conservative, 2nd amendment supporting but relatively unknown underdog, they won elections but when the time came to vote on crucial gun issues, they ended up getting stabbed in the back by the very same people that they had supported on the grounds that they felt they would have a better chance of winning in the previous election.
So, the fair answer to your question is, I don't think so but I would not rule out the possibility of the NRA supporting Reid at some point in the future, nor would I stop believing that this situation bears very close scrutiny by the rest of us to be sure we aren't screwed again in the name of political expediency by good ol' Wayne.
Hopefully, I have fully answered your question fairly and intelligently. Guys, it ain't the rank and file NRA that is the problem. It's good ol' Wayne and his chronyism wielding too much power in an organization that is supposedly backed by the grassroots voters and that good ol' Wayne is not all that trustworthy when it comes to protecting his own job vs doing the right thing. Do I make myself clear? I hope I'm wrong this time but he has done this several times in the past.

Flower Child

The NRA and the machine gun ban wasn't about keeping machine guns out of the hands of terrorist or even crimminals. It was about trading the righ to own a machine gun in the hopes that the opposistion would stop there. I think we can say with full certainty that it didn't work.

So Wayne the NRA know when to comprimise and when to fight eh? How has any comprimise ever worked out no matter who/where it originated for any gun owner?

I swear sometimes gun owners are worse than anti's. I'm sure Bill Ruger thought it was the greatest idea (AKA compromise) in the world when he wrote an open letter to congress that said...

I have enough common sense to not want the crazies running around with machine guns. I also don't want criminals & the mentally insane purchasing guns. Unfortunately, many of them succeed just like the tragedy at Virginia Tech. If I have to take a couple of minutes to fill out a form & have the gun dealer check with the police so be it. While this doesn't stop criminals & crazies from buying guns it does help. This is an example when compromise is the lesser of the evils. Oppose every control & loose the support of non gun owners. Support from non gun owners is vital in preventing more restrictive gun laws from being passed. The NRA is very involved in gun safety. Accidents involving guns in the hands of children are way down. One of the major reasons is the Eddie Eagle program developed by the NRA & taught by instructors like myself. Even the anti gun owners applaud the Eddie Eagle program & my state of Virginia legislature even urges every school system to take part in the program. I have never read where anyone on this forum applauded the NRA for developing such a great program. Most don't even know it exist & some don't care they just want to go out & buy a machine gun.

Hmmm, so how did Mark Begich get an A- rating from the NRA after signing on with Bloomberg's Mayors while Anchorage mayor? They very likely were single-handedly responsible for givng us the POS for Senator... He certainly made hay with the rating on virtually every ad he ran.

As my signature line says, I am concerned about NRA right now. This Reid thing is no part of my concern however...
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Oulufinn,
In this current post of yours, you said that the previous question you asked, you regarded as absurd. Frankly, I don't consider your absurd question to be all that absurd, given good ol' Wayne's track record and I did attempt to answer your question fairly and to deal with you in a fair, non contentious manner, but with an opposing viewpoint. Should I be crying foul, as I do wish to discuss this matter further, but only if we can take this matter seriously if you please. Did you lead me on? If so, why? and is it fair to say you did it deliberately? I hope not and that you are a more stand up guy than that. Are you?

Flower Child

I'm glad you have the intelligence to decide who can own guns and those that can own guns what guns they can purhcase. Whew that really takes a caseload off the constitution. If you think filling out the 4473 form keeps ANY crimminal in the smallest way possible from getting a firearm...well I can't even respond to that.

No one is arguing that the NRA doesn't help a tremendous amount, nor that they are actively involved in safety programs.

But everytime the NRA or any other group/individiuals throws up compromise as a long term approach to gun control it always winds up in the face of gun owners and beleivers in the 2nd amendment.

I will say I have NEVER looked at an NRA rating for any politician running for office. Seeing how they voted and the rhetoric they push is normally pretty effective without having to resort to someone elses scorecard or opinion.

Cole,
I, like you, am much more interested in my gun rights than the other issues. However, that does not mean we should completely ignore them either when the issue of who do we trust is at stake.
I think RLG makes a really good point in his post on this subject earlier and although I do not entirely agree with him, I will concede that he probably has a better handle on the local scumbags than I do. With that said, I believe I have a better handle on dear ol' Wayne than he does or a lot of the rest of y'all do and ask in all seriousness if we can't agree to keep an eye on ol' Wayne cuz I don't find him all that trustworthy. Can we do that? Huh?

Flower Child

Hurrah Cole,
Exactly said! + 10,000 ! Now what you said there is my whole point and no matter how good ol' Wayne 'n friends try to spin it, IT IS FACT!Thank you for being so forthright about it!

Flower Child

So you want some guy who swaps out the US made pistol grip on their DSA STG-58 to go to federal prison for a 922R violation? That was the question I asked.

I have said before the NRA's firearm safety programs work quite well, if only their 2nd Amendment programs worked as well there wouldn't be any issues with their organization.