Home Forums Hunting & Shooting AR and Tactical Rifles Sneak Peek--SS1-4X24HD FFP Prototype!

"I don't know how the subject got turned to Leupold as they don't even make a 1-4X so comparisons are less than useful."

If you did any reading here, you'd know that there's probably a dozen 1.5-5's used by us. Some with IR and some without. But since you're the first one to cassify a 1-4 to exclude the 1.5-5, I agree, the Leupold 1-4 VXII is not much of a scope but they do make a 1-4. And no it's not a true 1-4, neither is the short dot... Would like to see the SS on 1x with a line a few inches away and showing the view through the scope and around it, to see how close it is to true 1x.

I still think it's overpriced if it goes for $600 but I hope it's as good as you say.

Also, how long is the battery life and what battery does it use?

As are plenty of 2.5-8�s, 3-9�s, and various red dots I�m sure, but those aren�t 1-4�s either. For those wanting true 1X, or even close to it on the bottom end (for �unity magnification�), 1.5X does not satisfy the requirement. They�re apples and oranges. Sure, the scopes can be used for many of the same things, there is much overlap in the application, but a 1.5X scope is not an equal substitute for 1X.



This is not a correct method of evaluating the magnification of a magnified optic. For a scope, the distance begins at its objective lens, for the camera (or your eye) the distance begins at the camera�s objective lens (or your eye). For something a few inches away, you�re looking at it from two significantly different distances so naturally it will look different. For a 1X optic, this difference becomes un-noticeable as distance increases such that the length of the scope itself becomes insignificant. As you can see from the 1X pic above, for those timbers, at no more than a few yards away and everything beyond there is no detectable magnification. This is as true 1X as it gets.

For most RDS�s, which have no comparable optical system (the glass pretty much amounts to �windows� through which you are looking) they will look as you expect from only inches away (though many have distortion of one sort or another). No scope will do that--unless actually less than 1X in which case verything beyond the certain distance where it looks like 1X will be �shrunk� (you see this a fair amount with the cheaper 1-4X scopes on the market).



And I would have to ask again, based upon what? If based upon actual use someday, I�d hate to think how overpriced you would think the NF is at $1200. Much less the Leupold at $900. If you don�t think the Leupold is overpriced at $900, my best advice is to never compare it side by side with one of these so you can happily keep thinking that.



It uses a CR2032, the same as virtually every other illuminated scope out there. Battery life, I don�t know yet. I'll have to find out and get back to you.

Whatever....

Did you have some sort of problem reading the answer the first time?

nope not gonna do it...

You too will see the benefit when you see the final reticle.

Then again, maybe you will not, as you seem perfectly happy providing opinions on things with which you have no experience and products which you've never seen, much less used. I guess it's not just a couple people in the Optics section who make a habit of doing that.

Maybe I will...

Look, I may not have looked through this sooper sniper version but let's get something clear. The fundamentals of a low powered scope remain the same. I'm all for turrets and ranging reticles but if you're gonna range a distant target where a turret is needed, you will crank it up to 4x.

It is what it is and no amount of gadgetry will make it anything more. I'll stick with a proven product until I need a Short Dot, you can save the sales pitch.

JonA, nice folks here but very opinionated. You've shown grace under pressure. Keep to the high road, it suits you well.

Terry

Thanks Terry. I really have no problem with strong opinions, provided they are based upon something.

Jon: HOw many degrees of rotation to get from 1X to 4X? Looks like this scope may be directed to the 3-gun market. Any thoughts about installing a cat-tail or more pronounced power ring?

Also, does the scope come with Zero-stops or the equivalent?

About 180. A cat-tail should work very nicely with it. It's nice the illumination knob is on the turret housing so it isn't on the ocular getting in the way, but even so a cat-tail will make it much faster.

No zero stops. Though with 10 Mils per turn it's unlikely you'll ever turn a knob more than one full turn so getting lost is unlikely.

Gentlemen,

Just in case anybody here is interested in what the new reticle looks like, here you go:

On 1X thick heavy posts #4a style, easily visible and fast:



Illumination for more speed:



Crank up to 4X and it becomes a more "long range" reticle with fine lines that won't cover the target and 1 Mil hashes for ranging or holding off elevation/windage:





More pics:





[img]http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/1-4X24/DSC00353.JPG[/img]

[img]http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/1-4X24/DSC00351.JPG[/img]

oh my. I bet that is spendy

I"ll say this... I'd buy US first if its the same and I have the choice... but for my money, I"ll look at any scope first, without a firm pre formed opinion and then go from there.

I have not been impressed with L quality and usually buy Z conquest since its a better scope for the same money give or take.

Same will go for this one.

Jon- nice write up for a quicky test.

I was wondering if this SWFA product is made by the same Japanese factory that was making the Weaver Classic Extreme.
I have one of those in a 1-4X, 30mm tube with the illuminated German #4 reticle, and think highly of it.

Well i have read this thread a couple of times and the scope looks OK. My question is. What is the final price on this scope?

Sam, I don't know if they make the Weaver, but it's the same factory that makes Nightforce scopes--not the compact and F1 models which are made in the US, but the rest of the line which is made in Japan. Making high quality, extremely tough, durable scopes is nothing new to them.

Bea, no final word on price yet. Sorry.

at $600 it would be a competitor. If its up at $900 most will just go Nightforce. The NF eye relief is short but it is a very tough scope.

How come the reticle looks very sharp on 4X but not on 1X ?
Does the scope's focus change as the magnification is increased ? E