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Yeah I had the same challenge with remembering which dot to use at first. Like you say as soon as I use it enough it'll be fine.
Is there a way on the M1 to get the zero set so you don't have to look down and it just stops when you're twisting and bottom out?
Thx
Dober
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i don't think so. the custom CDS knob has the zero stop though...
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Thx,what's the charge for it?
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Thanks Dober...got your VM...does that old thing shoot OK? 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Hell,I never new what MPBR was until I got a computer just six years ago but I did know where my rifle hit at 1-2-3 and 400 yards,just from doing it.
I'm not against those that use computer tech to figure out where there bullet might strike,but I have always done my own homework needing the game to get my family through the winter which I was usually,layed off with only unemployment to get us through.
I know a tone of people living away from the city's that would never think of using a computer program(if they had one and most don't)to tell them where to aim or start clicking scopes to hit the target...
Neither is wrong,but it's hard to fix something that ain't broke for alot of people that lead a totally different life style and live the life 24/7 rather than a week or two hunt.
Just an opinion.
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Don't know where anyone advocated not shooting at various distances, it's the only way to know for certain.
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Then we agree..Sometimes people are to hard on the new guys asking,to them,an honest question that is old news for the old dogs and flames and insults fly.Not fair to the poster wanting to learn,in most cases,what alot of us already know..My learning was on the job training from childhood without a magazine or the net, which I am not knocking.
Different strokes for different folks and no one has to be wrong..Experiences differ and nothing is written in stone when it comes to hunting!!!!!!!
Just an opinion.
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Don't care what something says something should do at 387 yards, the only way I know is if I shoot it at that distance, to not only verify the rig but me.
Course they tend to be fairly good at predicting drop if you know velocity. Hit a Crown Royal box on the second shot at 700 yards from running numbers. Only required an extra .5 MOA dialed in from what the program spit out.
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A couple years ago I passed on a long shot with my .300 Win Mag because the Elk were so little through my 3-9X scope and at a walk up hill from the creek with a mild breeze...I later filled my tag with a closer shot but it got me as to how far that was.
My wife bought me a cheap rangefinder for Christmas and we went back the nest year with an empty freezer box marked as an Elk with a 10" kill zone...Different conditions wind wise,but I would have hit that puppy where it would have needed to be hit...But I chose not to under those conditions that were down hill at a good grade and breezy...
It's almost impossible to do every angle or grade in every condition and get it right..But that's hunting.
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/scan0014-10.jpg) Another one for the pot.... Someone told me a long time ago that any elk is a good trophy...gotta agree with that when I'm grilling up some backstrap!! Love that picture. And yes, elk backstrap sounds great!
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I think the biggest problem with computer ballistics (Like Quick Load) is the things they do not take into thought,like winds..
I worked under three Logging Company Helicopter companies.Columbia/Croman and Intermountain and never saw one year where one didn't almost go down from the unseen winds the average person doesn't...
Anyone who has ever fought Forest Fires as I have, on the ground, knows winds are a killer and have had friends killed by them,one a smoke jumper.They come from know where..What's calm on a ridge can be violent in a draw..
One of Idaho's Senators(also a logging contractor) was killed in a helicopter crash looking at a new job..I can't spell his name ebven though I worked for him..Sverstein.
Spend enough time in the woods,and you know winds come from know where whenever they want..More than one of my friends have been seriously hurt falling tree's from the unseen winds that just happen.
A computer cannot detect them nor most hunters.
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Couldn't agree more logcutter.
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Dead nuts on at 100 allows me to thread a needle in the bush, which is almost always under a 100 yards and also allows for a blinker shot far more easily than 3" high. Nothing beats having the bullet go where the crosshairs are planted, a fact that escapes many. Course I'm not prone to stick it in a chicks belly button cuzz it's going to high for close range work. 3" high at 100 don't help me much here. ![[Linked Image]](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/Shoalcove/Stuff1/Nov11deer.jpg) Seen this pic a few times, been meaning to ask how far away was this critter and did you ever find out if it was a buck or a doe? It reminds me a lot of where I got older (note I didn't say grew up...grin) in Northern Minne where we hunted whitey's in the thick and nasty hardwoods and swamps. Think our close shots were in the 4 yd to 8 yd ranges. Thx Dober It's a buck, if you look up off to the left side you will see a little bit of ORANGE antler. I'd say distance was 60'ish yards. So if I hear what you're saying right Steely, one of the reasons you prefer to be sighted spot on @ 100 (over 3" high @ 100) is that if you need you can hold spot on for a blinker shot on a buck like this @ 60 yds right, where as if you were sighted 3" high at 100 then you'd have to correct the hold a bit to do a spot on shot to the blinker? I've not done a spot on @ 100 sighting and then back up to see where the bullet hit @ 75/50/25 etc for a long long time so I can't recall for sure or not but I'd think that your bullet would be a bit down from your crosshairs @ 60 yds with a 100 yd sighting and not spot on...? True or no? Thx Dober
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Most typical stuff will be pretty darn close at 60 yards, with a 100 yard zero. .308" 180 Nosler 2700 fps for example,
Gun / Ammunition : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler PART SP 16331
Bullet weight : 180 grains or 11.66 Grams
Muzzle velocity : 2700 fps
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Range Velo Time of Energy Path Deflection Total Sight correction Target
city flight to at crosswind drop for setting new lead
LOS of 10.0 Mph zero range 33 fps
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�Yards fps s ft.lbs. in. in. MOA in. Clicks MOA yds �
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| 0 2700 0.0000 2913 -1.5 0.0 ----- 0.0 ------ ----- 0.00
| 5 2692 0.0056 2896 -1.3 0.0 0.13 0.0 +72.5 +24.94 0.06
| 10 2683 0.0112 2878 -1.1 0.0 0.16 0.0 +31.2 +10.74 0.12
| 15 2675 0.0168 2860 -1.0 0.0 0.19 0.1 +17.7 +6.08 0.18
| 20 2667 0.0225 2842 -0.8 0.0 0.21 0.1 +11.1 +3.81 0.25
| 25 2659 0.0281 2825 -0.6 0.1 0.24 0.2 +7.2 +2.49 0.31
| 30 2650 0.0338 2807 -0.5 0.1 0.27 0.2 +4.8 +1.65 0.37
| 35 2642 0.0395 2790 -0.4 0.1 0.30 0.3 +3.2 +1.09 0.43
| 40 2634 0.0452 2773 -0.3 0.1 0.33 0.4 +2.0 +0.70 0.49
| 45 2626 0.0509 2755 -0.2 0.2 0.35 0.5 +1.2 +0.42 0.56
| 50 2618 0.0567 2738 -0.1 0.2 0.38 0.6 +0.6 +0.22 0.62
| 55 2609 0.0624 2721 0.0 0.2 0.41 0.7 +0.2 +0.08 0.68
| 60 2601 0.0682 2704 0.0 0.3 0.44 0.9 -0.1 -0.02 0.75
| 65 2593 0.0740 2687 +0.1 0.3 0.46 1.0 -0.2 -0.08 0.81
| 70 2585 0.0798 2671 +0.1 0.4 0.49 1.2 -0.3 -0.12 0.87
| 75 2577 0.0856 2654 +0.1 0.4 0.52 1.4 -0.4 -0.13 0.94
M 80 2569 0.0915 2637 +0.1 0.5 0.54 1.6 -0.4 -0.13 1.00
| 85 2561 0.0973 2621 +0.1 0.5 0.57 1.8 -0.3 -0.12 1.06
| 90 2553 0.1032 2604 +0.1 0.6 0.60 2.0 -0.3 -0.09 1.13
| 95 2545 0.1091 2588 +0.1 0.6 0.63 2.3 -0.1 -0.05 1.19
X 100 2537 0.1150 2572 0.0 0.7 0.65 2.5 0.0 0.00 1.26
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I've come to appreciate the elegance of a 100-yd baseline zero with the ability to click up to a 200-yd or MPBR zero as desired. Or click to whatever "zero" (range).
I also very much appreciate the "locked down" aspect of a "Dober Dotz" equipped rifle. Get it set up, don't touch it. Pretty cool.
Can't like being stuck with a MPBR zero, though I can appreciate the simplicity out to it's limits.
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Can't like being stuck with a MPBR zero, though I can appreciate the simplicity out to it's limits. A 2 1/2"-3" high zero with a 270 puts you about 1" high at 50.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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Hey thx Shane, could I bother you to run the exact same info but change the 100 yd setting to 3" high?
I'll owe you a good cup of non designer coffee...grin
Thx
Dober
(and don't forget to get your elk/deer/lope apps in soon)
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I'm not Shane, but here's the numbers.
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler Part
Bullet Weight : 180.0 gr
Muzzle Velocity : 2700.0 ft/s
Ballistic Coefficients
BC1 = 0.474, @V > 0 ft/s
Drag Model used : G1
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city of LOS LOS Elevation for Windage for Drop
Flight Y Z Zeroing Zeroing
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yd ft/s sec ft-lbs in in Click MOA Click MOA in
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| 0 2700 0.0000 2913 -1.5 0.0 ------ ------ ------ ------ 0.0
| 5 2690 0.0056 2893 -1.2 0.0 +92.5 +22.08 +0.1 +0.03 0.0
| 10 2681 0.0112 2872 -0.8 0.0 +33.0 +7.87 +0.3 +0.07 0.0
| 15 2671 0.0168 2852 -0.5 0.0 +13.4 +3.21 +0.4 +0.10 0.1
| 20 2662 0.0224 2831 -0.2 0.0 +3.9 +0.94 +0.6 +0.13 0.1
| 25 2652 0.0280 2811 +0.1 0.0 -1.6 -0.38 +0.7 +0.17 0.2
| 30 2643 0.0337 2791 +0.4 -0.1 -5.1 -1.22 +0.8 +0.20 0.2
| 35 2633 0.0394 2771 +0.7 -0.1 -7.5 -1.78 +1.0 +0.23 0.3
| 40 2624 0.0451 2752 +0.9 -0.1 -9.1 -2.18 +1.1 +0.27 0.4
| 45 2615 0.0508 2732 +1.2 -0.1 -10.3 -2.46 +1.3 +0.30 0.5
| 50 2605 0.0566 2712 +1.4 -0.2 -11.1 -2.65 +1.4 +0.34 0.6
| 55 2596 0.0623 2693 +1.6 -0.2 -11.7 -2.80 +1.6 +0.37 0.7
| 60 2587 0.0681 2674 +1.8 -0.3 -12.1 -2.89 +1.7 +0.41 0.9
| 65 2577 0.0739 2654 +2.0 -0.3 -12.4 -2.96 +1.8 +0.44 1.0
| 70 2568 0.0798 2635 +2.2 -0.3 -12.5 -2.99 +2.0 +0.47 1.2
| 75 2559 0.0856 2616 +2.4 -0.4 -12.6 -3.01 +2.1 +0.51 1.4
| 80 2549 0.0915 2597 +2.5 -0.5 -12.6 -3.00 +2.3 +0.54 1.6
| 85 2540 0.0974 2578 +2.7 -0.5 -12.5 -2.98 +2.4 +0.58 1.8
| 90 2531 0.1033 2560 +2.8 -0.6 -12.4 -2.95 +2.6 +0.61 2.0
| 95 2522 0.1092 2541 +2.9 -0.6 -12.2 -2.91 +2.7 +0.65 2.3
M 100 2512 0.1152 2523 +3.0 -0.7 -12.0 -2.86 +2.9 +0.69 2.5
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Mark You might want to go to this site and bookmark it- I always use it when I want to calculate trajectory or drift Fred http://handloads.com/calc/index.html
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