Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Backpack Hunting Holy stove efficiency batman!!! Soto/Jetboil

So finally got around to getting my jetboil stove cut down and the notches cut in the bottom for the 3 pot supports of my new SOTO stove. The idea is that while the Jetboil stoves themselves are heavy compared to other canister stoves (they weight 7 oz) the jetboil fluxring I feel does make for improvments in boil times. So I figured why not combine an ultra-efficient canister stove (SOTO at 2.6 oz) with an efficient pot (jetboil pot).

Decided to have my jetboil pot cut down at work as we have unlimited metal working tools to work with after hours and a guy there loves to do little projects like that and made look much better than the frankenstien I no doubt would have created. Heck he put a like OEM bevel back on the pot after he cut it down so the original lid fits on there once again. The new jetboilette is only 4" deep vs. the standard jetboil pot being 5.75" deep.

Here is a pic of the two side by side of just the pot themselves:


Anyways now back at home I decided to do a few weight comparisons.

My naked jetboilette without/cozy/lid/or bottom cup comes to 4.4 oz. The orignal stripped the same way comes to 6.0 oz. The bottom cup weighs 1 oz even compared to the 1.3 oz lid. .3 oz isn't much so I'm sticking with the tighter fitting and more functional lid over using the bottom cup as a lid.

I also had my wife remove the handle and cut the cozy to fit my jetboilette.

So the total weight difference.

The jetboilette with 110 gram snowpeak fuel canister brand new, plus the soto stove, and the sippy lid comes to 15.6 oz.

The standard jetboil cup with the standard jetboil stove with the same fuel canister comes to 20.6 oz or a 5 oz weight savings overall.

Here is the two being weighed in. The new bevel actual holds the lid on a little tighter even than the original bevel.

Jetboilette all packed up:


Orginal packed up:


The Soto stove installed on a fuel canister is taller than a jetboil stove is but since the jetboilette is shorter the overall height of the smaller jetboil setup is slightly shorter. The notches cut out for the pot supports make the jetboil pot VERY secure (compared to your standard pot on these supports obviously not as secure as a jetboil locked into a jetboil stove). Though I still do have the option if desired to lock the original jetboil stove into the jetboilette.



Now for the disclaimer:

The follow tests were conducted by a person with absolutely ZERO scientific background and realizes that these test will more than likely be scrutinized heavily due to one or many factors that would render these tests of little to any actual real world meaning.

All tests were done at room temperature with 500 mL (the fill to line) room temperature water.

Room temperature fuel canisters boil times:

Jetboil with jetboil stove:

2 minutes 5 seconds.

Jetboilette with Soto stove:

1 minute 35 second.

Last night I put two full fuel canisters in my freezer that was set at -10F.

I quickly took the first out and screwed on the jetboil/jetboil setup and it boiled the 500 ML of water in 3:45 seconds.

After that I took the 2nd freezer canister and screwed it onto the SOTO stove and fired it up. It boiled the 500 mL of water in 1 minute and 50 seconds.

So the coldest canister did have some apparent affect on the SOTO's performance but not much from what I can tell. Where the jetboil/jetboil was nearly twice as long to get a boil and the flame was noticably smaller and quieter than the Soto with the cold fuel bottle where I couldn't notice or hear a difference between the room temp and the cold fuel bottle.

Overall I'm VERY happy with my findings so far as my new setup that is both 25% smaller and 25% lighter and boil times are twice as fast in colder climates. I think this could be one of the most fuel efficient canister stove combos out there right now.

With all due respect....and I mean this in the most sincere way;

I hate you....





Now I have to buy a SOTO to pair with my cut down cup.


Thanks for posting your results

Sub pound with fuel here I come.

Luke, I think maybe you have too much time on your hands(grin).

But otherwise, good inventive thinking....

Ok Buddy, where's the jetboilette order form... if you didn't bring enough for everyone... shouldn't have brought any... forum rules you know...

Good job!!!

Kent

Luke,

Nice project. I'm sure impressed with the Soto. Gave it a first solid test on a trip last weekend and it's amazing. I going to play around with aluminum flashing wind screens that will fit snug on my two main pots. Not going to be as effecient as the fluxring but should still help performance.

Great job Luke. Less weight (and bulk), and better fuel efficiency. You're vision was spot-on.

Thanks guys. Yeah I'm almost as excited about this as when My Golite SL4 nest fit perfectly in my SL8 shelter.

Kenneth,

Maybe you are right I too much time on my hands thinking about how to combined different items of backpacking gear that weren't designed to do so, but come out better than the original.

Kent,

No worries, hopefully you'll see the jetboilette in action the end of September and if not then for sure in October.

Can't wait to see it Luke.

Kent

That's awesome, nice work!

Did you do a compairson to amount of water boiled per canister of fule used?

Have modified two jetBoils to fit the soto. Some testing to do tomorrow.

ahhh the sickness of the sheep hunter


lighter, smaller,= more grub

which means more and better hunting


well done, ak lanche, well done indeed

So I made two of these yesterday and did some testing. I noticed the pot that was 4" deep may be to shallow. When the water boiled, the water was bubbling out the top lid pretty fierce and the pot was shaking severly. I think I would need to watch the pot once it starts to get close to a boil.

Also at 4" deep the space is super tight for the gas and stove. I think I will cut the second pot down to 5" deep to allow more storage space and allow a bigger volume for any spillage when it boils. It still saves a ton of weight.

One thing I found during my "testing," was when the canisters get about half full, the jetboil takes nearly 4 minutes to boil at sea level. I don't know why, bug maybe someone here does. The Soto didn't have that problem at all even when the canister was nearly empty.

Overall it works great for high elevations and cold weather. Thanks again Alaska Lanche.

Rosin,

Yeah you do have to watch it closely to prevent boil over, but I had to do that with the 5.75" tall jetboil pot too. Plus at just over a 1:30 boil times you don't have to watch it long. Yeah the 4" tall is a little short with the standard jetboil fuel. However, the snowpeak fuel is .2" shorter and holds another 10 grams of fuel so that is what I will be using from now on.

AKL, I used the Snow Peak also, but still a hair short. No big though, I am cutting one down to 4 3/4" to make it work worth either fuel. I do like the extra 10 grams and those fast boil times. I burned one of the Snow Peak canisters at full throttle on the Soto and it burned for 58 minutes. That would be well over 30 cooks, which is plenty for a week of hunting.

Is there anyway to measure how much fuel is left in a canister?

Yes, weigh it when you buy it and after you use it, and write how much is left on the bottom of the canister with a sharpie.

Thanks.I am getting ready to cut my jetboil down.And use the soto.Thanks for the ideas.

Well;looks like Jetboil folks have been lookin' at some changes that I posted in the jetboil chop thread and AL's here...

3 new versions including a titanium cup.....

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/gear-news/three-new-jetboil-stoves-for-2011/7206.html

Weights are similar to the "jetboilette"

Right on. Now all you have to do is cut out the notches for a better (and much lighter) stove for a secure sturdy platform now rather than worry about cutting down the jetboil and trying to put a bevel on it. This is a smart move on JB's part, however even the new SOL is heavier than the jetboil. Looking at the numbers 260 grams (9.1 oz) for the jetboil sol cup plus 2.6 for a soto stove and 7 oz for fuel puts ya at nearly 19 oz. Drop the bottom cup and its down to 17.7 oz. Still about 2 oz heavier than my setup. Must not be cutting it down as much or something, but still this is great news!!!