I am fallible, lost a Blue Wildebeest that I felt I hit well with a 350gr Hornaday RN at 2000 fps. If I had my odd six he would have got 2 in him. Practicing a quick second shot with my 375 Ruger Hawkeye is fun too!
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Funny you should say that about Blue Wildebeest. They are really tough. I knocked one down at 312 yards in 2007, and he looked as dead as a hammer. We watched him for 5 minutes and started to walk to him when he got up and hit the brush. He is the only animal I have had to follow any distance after being hit with the 511 grain paper patched bullet of the Sharps. He traveled a good 500 yards before we found him.
The reason we were able to find him was that the Sharps load gave complete pass through penetration, and he bled out both sides which gave the trackers more than enough to work with.
As an aside, I am amazed at the skill of the trackers in Africa. They are capable of some remarkable work. I watched them sort out the trail of a Gemsbok shot by a client with a 300 Win Mag that left little to no trail I could see.
I was advised to make a shoulder shot, 100 yds slightly quartering toward us. Shot felt good, he stumbled and swapped ends and went into the bush. We waited 2 minutes and went after him, first mistake, he rolled in dust to stop bleeding and we jumped him 100 yds in, with PH right in my way and gun muzzle 120 degrees off, missed him as he departed. Jumped him again 300 yds later and really did not have a shot, PH right in way again. Tracked him another 5 miles and lost track. The next day was mother's day and the last day of my hunt, the PH abandoned the chase, I was not too impressed, he was unarmed from the start. With a repeater and a high heart/lung shot the story might have been different. We found bright, stringy blood, looked like muscle blood. I think the bullet failed to penetrate the heavy shoulder/collar bone, probably over expanded. Just a guess, but I know these shed jackets easy. Next time with bonded core 300 gr 375s and a solid behind it the result might be better.
There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!
Well, JR, after your 1895 .458WM thread, where you started at 60K PSI, backed to 50K PSI fast, then finally retreated to sanity at 43500 PSI (might be reasons for that...), have at the .45-120 rechamber.
Just remember, in your own mind (you're the only one you have to convince) you're just ... that... much smarter than everyone else.
BTW - the "victim" role don't win many brownie points are here, save from those who resort to the same. That list, is short and notorious, though no doubt you'll fit in fine.
Fathom that sharpsguy and EvilTwin have far less than agreeable things to say about your DSMFer of an idea. And, they've a thing or three between them re: BPCR rounds and shooting.
I'll leave the questioned experience to them, as they've more than handily handed you your ass, though should you care to keep coming at me, I can do likewise.
My 45-70 Handi is much faster to reload than a Ruger #1-3, you don't have to take your right hand off the grip. That said I don't hunt any game with a single shot anymore to minimize chances of lost, wounded game.
But you do have to take the left hand off the rifle, unless you are left handed.........8-)
I was advised to make a shoulder shot, 100 yds slightly quartering toward us. Shot felt good, he stumbled and swapped ends and went into the bush. We waited 2 minutes and went after him, first mistake, he rolled in dust to stop bleeding and we jumped him 100 yds in, with PH right in my way and gun muzzle 120 degrees off, missed him as he departed. Jumped him again 300 yds later and really did not have a shot, PH right in way again. Tracked him another 5 miles and lost track. The next day was mother's day and the last day of my hunt, the PH abandoned the chase, I was not too impressed, he was unarmed from the start. With a repeater and a high heart/lung shot the story might have been different. We found bright, stringy blood, looked like muscle blood. I think the bullet failed to penetrate the heavy shoulder/collar bone, probably over expanded . Just a guess, but I know these shed jackets easy. Next time with bonded core 300 gr 375s and a solid behind it the result might be better.
Well, JR, after your 1895 .458WM thread, where you started at 60K PSI, backed to 50K PSI fast, then finally retreated to sanity at 43500 PSI (might be reasons for that...), have at the .45-120 rechamber.
Just remember, in your own mind (you're the only one you have to convince) you're just ... that... much smarter than everyone else.
But back to topic, why are you so passionately against a .45-120 Buffalo Classic? Is it just the recoil?
-JR
The more I build up a tolerance to recoil, the more I need to get my fix.
Well, JR, after your 1895 .458WM thread, where you started at 60K PSI, backed to 50K PSI fast, then finally retreated to sanity at 43500 PSI (might be reasons for that...), have at the .45-120 rechamber.
Just remember, in your own mind (you're the only one you have to convince) you're just ... that... much smarter than everyone else.
But back to topic, why are you so passionately against a .45-120 Buffalo Classic? Is it just the recoil?
Well,ya already done hit the tripwire, but as for the concept..not very good. There are MUCHO better platforms for a big cartidge like that. I should say that the conversion you have in mind would likely "come off the face" fairly quickly even if you used BP. Safety factor shot to hell there. It was a common malady with some old double rifles that was addressed by much more complex and much stronger locking. And yeah, the recoil IS a factor. If you ntend on making it a hunting rifle you still need to shoot it pretty extensively to deveolop loads and get GOOD with it. Flinching heavily never helped anybody's shooting. Don't be such a damned hardhead.
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+1 on to each there own. My Handi is an ejector, right thumb the button, drop shell from between fingers of left hand , flip shut, right thumb hammer as left hand goes forward and fire. You do everything with right hand on #1? It seems awkward to me, but I'm pretty ambidextrous.
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I'm certainly not an expert in this area, but I believe that the advantage of a .45-120 exists mainly when using black powder. The .45-70 has all the capacity you need for smokeless loads.
And, all you want !!!
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