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I hope that you will be happy with large groups. I can't imagine the Marlin lever action being suitable for serious shooting at those distances. Marlin lever guns do fine at extended ranges. My 16 inch barrel 336Y, with my hand loads, holds darn near MOA at two hundred yards.
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I hope that you will be happy with large groups. I can't imagine the Marlin lever action being suitable for serious shooting at those distances. Marlin lever guns do fine at extended ranges. My 16 inch barrel 336Y, with my hand loads, holds darn near MOA at two hundred yards. The average Marlin in the average shooter's hands would be the group Mick's talking about here, Manlicher. Most folks would have a challenge making them group at 200 yards. I worked at a range for several years and saw very few shooters with Marlins or Winchesters that could shoot effective groups at the 200 yard line.
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and by the same token, MOST folks at the range, with a new Cooper or (insert your favorite maker's bolt action offering here), would have a damn difficult time holding two MOA with that bolt rifle either.
I have seen folks with expensive, top tier rifles that just could not shoot.
I'm sticking with my Marlin.
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One of the guns I most regret letting slip from my hands was an old well worn Marlin 336 chambered for .35 Rem. If memory serves me right it had an old Redfield 4X on it. The gun was just scary accurate. 1 inch groups at 100 yards were no problem for that gun. On two different occasions, I put 3 shots on the bullseye that you could cover easily with a quarter.
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and by the same token, MOST folks at the range, with a new Cooper or (insert your favorite maker's bolt action offering here), would have a damn difficult time holding two MOA with that bolt rifle either.
I have seen folks with expensive, top tier rifles that just could not shoot.
I'm sticking with my Marlin. Good point Mannlicher-I've seen the same thing. Some folks are great shooters, but most of the rest of us don't fall into that category. I firmly believe that like other activities, you only get out of it what you put into it. There's just no substitute for time at the range, and working up good loads.
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Yeah but it drops about 4 ft at 150yds. Under a 100yd great brush gun.
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I was just wondering how much holdover I would need at 400 yards for a 22LR sighted to zero at 25 yards using standard velocity ammo, and then using hyper velocity ammo at 400 yards when I go on my 2011 buffalo hunt. Should I use regular or hollow points for better penetration?
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About 45 degree hold over. LOL
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I've never tried to shoot any lever at long range, but most of my leverguns will shoot well under 2MOA at 100 yards. Some right at 1 MOA. I see no reason they would not group close to the same at longer ranges.
The problem of course would be dealing with the extreme drop. But that would be the same even if the 30-30 were fired from a bolt action.
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Hey 378.....check the ballistics on Leverevolution .35 Rem.......I love my 336C......but I can't imagine why anyone would consider it a long-range rifle, or even put a scope on it........open sights 100 yds. and under is how I use this gun.
And here are the Hornady trajectory figures for those loads, based on a rifle with a scope mounted 1.7" overbore and zeroed to shoot 3" high at 100 yards:
* .30-30, 160 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, +0.2" @ 200 yds, -12.1" @ 300 yds.
* .35 Rem, 200 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -1.3" @ 200 yds, -17.5" @ 300 yds.
* .444 Mar, 265 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -1.4" @ 200 yds, -18.6" @ 300 yds.
* .45-70, 325 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -4.1" @ 200 yds, -27.8" @ 300 yds.
* .450 Mar, 325 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -2.2" @ 200 yds, -21.3" @ 300 yds.
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I was just wondering how much holdover I would need at 400 yards for a 22LR sighted to zero at 25 yards using standard velocity ammo, and then using hyper velocity ammo at 400 yards when I go on my 2011 buffalo hunt. Should I use regular or hollow points for better penetration? 328.7" if you are using Eley Tenex EPS  Can't help with the hypervelocity junk.
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Hey 378.....check the ballistics on Leverevolution .35 Rem.......I love my 336C......but I can't imagine why anyone would consider it a long-range rifle, or even put a scope on it........open sights 100 yds. and under is how I use this gun.
And here are the Hornady trajectory figures for those loads, based on a rifle with a scope mounted 1.7" overbore and zeroed to shoot 3" high at 100 yards:
* .30-30, 160 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, +0.2" @ 200 yds, -12.1" @ 300 yds.
* .35 Rem, 200 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -1.3" @ 200 yds, -17.5" @ 300 yds.
* .444 Mar, 265 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -1.4" @ 200 yds, -18.6" @ 300 yds.
* .45-70, 325 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -4.1" @ 200 yds, -27.8" @ 300 yds.
* .450 Mar, 325 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -2.2" @ 200 yds, -21.3" @ 300 yds.
Using mental math , I get a 36 inch drop for the 30 30 at 400 yds which is about the drop at 500 yds for a flat shooting bolt action cartridge IIRC . Looking at it that way , you would be giving up a hundred yards in range with the lever action . With my handloads in my old Marlin 45 70 , a critter ain't safe at 200 yards and I don't want you shootin' at me with it at 300 yds . 
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Correct but the longer barrel yields higher velocities, so carry further than a 16 inch barrel. Same goes for the 357 a pistol bullet but in a lever can go 100yds and pretty damn accurate too.
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Hey 378.....check the ballistics on Leverevolution .35 Rem.......I love my 336C......but I can't imagine why anyone would consider it a long-range rifle, or even put a scope on it........open sights 100 yds. and under is how I use this gun.
And here are the Hornady trajectory figures for those loads, based on a rifle with a scope mounted 1.7" overbore and zeroed to shoot 3" high at 100 yards:
* .30-30, 160 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, +0.2" @ 200 yds, -12.1" @ 300 yds.
* .35 Rem, 200 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -1.3" @ 200 yds, -17.5" @ 300 yds.
* .444 Mar, 265 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -1.4" @ 200 yds, -18.6" @ 300 yds.
* .45-70, 325 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -4.1" @ 200 yds, -27.8" @ 300 yds.
* .450 Mar, 325 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, -2.2" @ 200 yds, -21.3" @ 300 yds.
Better performance than I figured. My 30-30 336Marlin would be dead nuts at 100 yds but when shooting the same hunk of plywood 4X4 ft and aiming dead center it would hit the ground at the base of the plywood at 150yds. I guess it depends on your ammo and length of barrel also to throw in the mix.
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The BPR guys can shoot some decent groups way out there, with bigger and slower bullets. Don't see why smokeless, and smaller slugs can not do it. Some of those BPR guns are levers, and some of the owners of them, know their gun and load very well. Billy did pretty well at Adobe Walls when being challenged by around a 100 ft. bullet drop, and shooting for a group, . http://www.levergun.com/articles/bdixon.htm
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30-30 Leverevolution +P+ should group in a arshin out to at least a versta from a sazhen length barrel. A 28-inch group at 1167 yards isn't bad, but an 84-inch barrel on a Marlin 336 is something out of a wet dream. --Bob
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I like how all you guys think that my post is a joke. I am simply asking because I don't intend on spending 1800 on another Tika or 1200 on another Remington bolt action that is boring to shoot. I have never owned a lever action. I am trying to find out if it will shoot decent, AND still be fun to shoot. Ok, how about more like 250-300 yards, is that possible? I am not a big rifle guy. I own many various and expensive (NOT bragging) handguns. That' s my thing. Not rifles as much. I guess I would like to use this rifle for whitetail hunting and range shooting. If I could get 250 yards out of the rifle, fine. But I shoot pretty good at 300 yards, so I will know what the rifle is capable of after one range test. Just can't find any info on accuracy for these rifles.
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Seriously they are very accurate withing the 30-30's envelope 250 is stretching but doable, the cartridge is designed for the 50 to 150 range on thin skinned lite game. It is NOT a bench cartridge nor is the lever action a bench rifle. It is a proven brush popper short range woods gun for whitetail and similar game.
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