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pay him enough and i ll bet he would say that a Jukar was the best gun on the market .

is that also where you got the bullets dont transfer energy oppenion swampman




thanks . could you tell me where she ballances as well ?

You're full of [bleep].

T/Cs are ok I just wish they didn't bore them so tight you have to hunt down special projectiles and sabots that will fit down the barrel. At least a T/C is safe to shoot.

hey i just realized something funny!!

swampy likes randy wakeman but wakeman calls the rem 700 a piece of junk LMAO!!

Too bad Sako doesn't make muzzleloaders their locktime is 1/2 that of a Remington 700. I like the lock times on TC's and CVA's just fine and I GET 1" groups easily with either and I use a Nikon BDC scope with the rice grain reticle. Owned a 700 muzzleloader once , its probably serving its purpose better as a trotline sinker these days.

Right now the Savage has them all beat for accuracy, safety, and looks. The 700ML was the easiest to work up a load for and next to the Savage the strongest muzzleloader ever built.

The Remington 700ML shoots about everything including patched round balls really well.

The T/C have issues and the spanish muzzleloaders are dangerous.

That's because on any modern muzzleloader, "lock time" is waaaaaay down the list of factors that affect accuracy.

No it's just as important with a muzzleloader as it is with any rifle. That why boltaction muzzleloaders are so accurate.

That's the best you got? Come on swampy, at least go down swinging.

Actually, you're the one that's full of s h i t.

You don't know what you're talking about, as far as the Savage and Remington MLs having the fastest ignition times of any muzzleloader.

And you don't know what you're talking about when you say "lock time" makes a difference, practically-speaking, in the accuracy of modern rifles.

But still you spout.

Since you don't have a clue, I'll throw you a couple. If you think a "bolt action" was innovative for ignition, think really innovative.

If you think Remington is the top of the heap, think of the muzzleloading rifle brand you like to dump on the most.

And then think about the fact that said company has a rifle with faster ignition than either of the two rifles you say are the fastest of all.

And then go out and buy one of these rifles with the fastest ignition, since ignition time is so important to you.

savages are dangerous

6 lbs., 8.3 oz. And she balances 4 1/2 inches in front of the trigger.

very good , thank you

O.K. I'm convinced, I should just stick with a caplock.

I agree. Go with what suits you best, never a bad idea.

Second strongest ML action ever invented? Really?

I'm thinking that Sharps might have a thing or three to say about that.

You're welcome cap, what's your idea of where a good rifle oughta balance?

The most ignorant statement ever made on the ML forum.

Doc

I think he claims that distinction on several forums.

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well it depends on your shooting style.
but a neutral balance should be right about center of the forearm where you would naturally carry it one handed .
at this point she shoulders and carries nicely . but can wonder a little in the target hold when shooting off hand .

normally for a rifle i balance neutral to just a tad nose heavy .
Have a little bit of nose down makes a rifle real steady when shooting off hand . But it does have its drawbacks .
IE its slower in the draw and depending on how heavy it can make for a much shorter hold time .
Also if to nose heavy , the rifle feels heavy and bulky in the carry . Thus you end up rather quickly shifting how your carrying the rifle . OR you end up with a sling and carry it shouldered most of the time

Now if you balance is point is to far forward . The butt will drop in the carry . Thus producing the very same carry issues as a gun that�s to nose heavy . The other difference is that while balancing a gun such makes for a very quick draw . It also makes for a sight picture that wants to wander all over hell and back

When I build a rifle I build it for neutral balance regardless of the length of the barrel and for a piece that�s in the 7-8lb range for an adult

On most center fire designs , be they bolt or lever actions , the balance close or near the ejection port . IE they are very butt heavy .
Not any real issue when your shooting from a rest