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I was shocked to learn that a pharmaceutical version of Meth (Desoxyn) is used to treat children with ADHD...
Not sure how that can be when its so addictive, unless addicts take it at sunstantically higher doses??? Parents have been unknowingly hooking their children on a drug lifestyle, to make their parenting chores easier. Schools often demand adhd kids are on meds, so make teaching them easier. They are creating a generation of drug addicts. For a lot of different reasons, to boot.
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I'm one of those people who view ADHD a gift, but unfortunately it doesn't fit into what they are required to be in school.
ADHD kids can climb to the top of mountains and hunt/fish for days on end, all without a complaint.. all meanwhile "normal" kids lay inside playing video games and sleeping in.
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I'm one of those people who view ADHD a gift, but unfortunately it doesn't fit into what they are required to be in school.
ADHD kids can climb to the top of mountains and hunt/fish for days on end, all without a complaint.. all meanwhile "normal" kids lay inside playing video games and sleeping in. Any kid raised right can/will do that; or raised wrong can/will do the other. Medication is about control; diagnosis is about limitations on rights later. If a kid gets diagnosed with a mental disorder early, it makes it FAR easier to restrict their rights to, say, firearms, later in life. Far easier to have them continue to be placed under "supervision" of .gov "for their own good" later....
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I'm one of those people who view ADHD a gift, but unfortunately it doesn't fit into what they are required to be in school.
ADHD kids can climb to the top of mountains and hunt/fish for days on end, all without a complaint.. all meanwhile "normal" kids lay inside playing video games and sleeping in. I partially agree, though I believe a "normal" kid can as well. My boy is a terrorist but would much rather be in the woods than anywhere else. The flip side: For the last three years me and my pard have taken a "kid" (he just turned 18) with us on our annual Ohio hunt. He went to an "alternative" school that was glad to have him doing "real world classroom" type stuff. He's a damn good kid and has developed an excellent work ethic. George
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I was shocked to learn that a pharmaceutical version of Meth (Desoxyn) is used to treat children with ADHD...
Not sure how that can be when its so addictive, unless addicts take it at sunstantically higher doses??? Parents have been unknowingly hooking their children on a drug lifestyle, to make their parenting chores easier. Schools often demand adhd kids are on meds, so make teaching them easier. They are creating a generation of drug addicts. I have an 11 year old nephew who is on medication for ADHD although I'm not sure what drug but I will checking now. And yes, what you say about Schools requiring it is quite right. From my understanding, there is still a lot of debate whether ADHD is a real medical condition or a behavioural condition, but its impact on the child is certainly real and damaging what ever the root cause.
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given how quick my girls snapped out of it im inclined to think its medical.....some chemical imbalance in the brain that reset itself as my girls started hitting puberty....would medication have helped them up to that point, im sure it prolly would have but the question then becomes would we have noticed the change and took them off the meds?....you should have heard the comments we got from the teachers from the girls' change between about the 4th and 6th grade somewhere....the girls went from a smart but pain in the arse kid in class that couldnt be kept on task to able to sit and focus without a problem....during this time the girls were attending a small rural school with one classroom per grade, the teachers thought we swapped out the girls with clones.....
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I personally think that the more science discovers about brain chemistry the more complicated things appear. I was reading something a while back that made it sound as if serotonin and other compounds that I have always understood to be produced in the brain are actually made in the lining of the digestive tract, of all things! 
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Retlin (sp?) which is a drug used to treat ADHD is an amphetamine. In low doses in children it has a calming affect. In high doses in adults, it is the other way around, and has the same affects of meth, or any speed drugs.
Its amazing what dope heads will do to get a hit. We use alot of ketamine (sp?) in tranqualizer darts. For sedating lions in NM that we have caught for the state. You talk about having to jump through hoops to get the crap. WOW
There has been many break ins at our local vet offices with people trying to steal ketamine. Supposedly they squirt it on a plate, then dry it to a powder in the microwave and then snort it.
My question is this. Who dreamed this chit up? Who thought one day, that they would mix anahydrous ammonia, and a bunch of other chit up, and then snort it?
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I have a very addictive personality. There were multiple times in college that I was around crank and coke. I had every opportunity to do it. I thank God that I was smart enough not to. I would be dead, or worse would not have had the chances to see my wonderful boys grow up. I would prolly have never gotten married for that matter.
We all have our vices. Im very addicted to copenhagen. I dipped it one time, and have been on it ever since. I can do with or without caffine. But did get on the pain meds once unknowingly. After my first knee surgery, they sent me home with a very large bottle of very strong Lortab. Was told to take 2 every 4 hours as long as I was hurting. Over the course of laying flat on my back for 4 weeks with my knee in a machine, and then 2 months of PT, one day I caught myself looking at the clock to see if it was 4 hours, and I wasnt hurting. I decided to quit. I have never came off of anything else, but I cant be much worse then what I went through that weekend. I thought I was going to die. I think death would have felt better.
After this, I had a new outlook on people that become addicted to drugs. Sometimes just a simple surgery, or thinking that they will just do it one time, can turn into a life of misery. I used to look down my nose at dope heads, but now I realize how easy it can be to become addicted to something with only one small wrong decision.
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I have a very addictive personality. There were multiple times in college that I was around crank and coke. I had every opportunity to do it. I thank God that I was smart enough not to. I would be dead, or worse would not have had the chances to see my wonderful boys grow up. I would prolly have never gotten married for that matter.
We all have our vices. Im very addicted to copenhagen. I dipped it one time, and have been on it ever since. I can do with or without caffine. But did get on the pain meds once unknowingly. After my first knee surgery, they sent me home with a very large bottle of very strong Lortab. Was told to take 2 every 4 hours as long as I was hurting. Over the course of laying flat on my back for 4 weeks with my knee in a machine, and then 2 months of PT, one day I caught myself looking at the clock to see if it was 4 hours, and I wasnt hurting. I decided to quit. I have never came off of anything else, but I cant be much worse then what I went through that weekend. I thought I was going to die. I think death would have felt better.
After this, I had a new outlook on people that become addicted to drugs. Sometimes just a simple surgery, or thinking that they will just do it one time, can turn into a life of misery. I used to look down my nose at dope heads, but now I realize how easy it can be to become addicted to something with only one small wrong decision.
Toby Joe my first experience with opiates was after a knee surgery....was naive and wasnt paying attention to what i was actually taking.....when i decided i didnt need them any more i just quit taking them.....half way through a really chitty hangover type experience i looked up the drug and discovered it was an opiate.... also found out with my back injury that opiates do a really chitty job at helping the pain from a bulged disk pressing against a nerve.....wound up taking 3 times what i needed for a similar amount of pain in my knee to get any relief....opiates work great for pain at nerve endings like a knee injury.....not so well when the source of the pain is where the nerve comes off the spinal cord and is causing "ghost pain" down your leg....can see how those with back injuries wind up taking large amounts of pain killers....
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But did get on the pain meds once unknowingly. After my first knee surgery, they sent me home with a very large bottle of very strong Lortab. Was told to take 2 every 4 hours as long as I was hurting. Over the course of laying flat on my back for 4 weeks with my knee in a machine, and then 2 months of PT, one day I caught myself looking at the clock to see if it was 4 hours, and I wasnt hurting. I decided to quit. I have never came off of anything else, but I cant be much worse then what I went through that weekend. I thought I was going to die. I think death would have felt better.
After this, I had a new outlook on people that become addicted to drugs. Sometimes just a simple surgery, or thinking that they will just do it one time, can turn into a life of misery. I used to look down my nose at dope heads, but now I realize how easy it can be to become addicted to something with only one small wrong decision.
I can certainly relate to that. I was medevac'd from near the Cambodian border in 4/70. The corpsman gave me 4 syrettes of morphine before the dustoff arrived. Then to 3rd Surg at Binh Thuy for a week or so with regular morphine shots, then to the 93rd Evac at Bien Hoa and more morphine. AND I WASN'T EVEN BADLY HURT! I was only 20 years old and didn't know anything about addiction, but I knew I shouldn't be watching the clock and looking forward to getting a shot. I told the doc and nurses to quit giving me anything for pain, and as soon as I was discharged from the hospital I hit the gate, caught a ride to Tan Son Nhut and caught a chopper ride back to my outfit. I was only in the hospitals for 3 weeks, but felt like I had escaped from the gates of hell. I went right back on the line and was glad to be there.
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Thanks for posting Barkoff.
Stories like yours need to get out.
The good Lord bless you and yours. Hang in there.
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I'm just beginning to realize it. You're absolutely right. Seen several people lately going down the tubes.... now I know why. Perfectly normal people all of a sudden acting strangely. 2 - 4 years later they're going in for false teeth... The people who own the farm on the next section north of my FIL's home-place had to burn the house down after some guys broke in, nobody was living there, and cooked meth. The chemicals are hazardous and the cost of cleaning them up would have been more than the old house was worth. Jeff Sounds like a buddy of mine with a piece of farm ground near Plainview. House wasn't worth much so it didn't bother him, but when he found out people were using it as a party house/meth lab he burnt the place down and let the pivot spin all the way around rather than windshield-wipe.
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Yup, and once one gets on to that tendency towards hyper diseased paranoia, it makes it REALLY easy to [bleep] with their creepy minds,or whatever's left of same.....if and when a nest of em' shows up in YOUR district / neighborhood.
Think phony cameras, blinkin' LEDs and a variety of chirpers, and buzzers, Black cutout silhouettes that pop up (Monofilament line activated) and than scuttle away through dry grass on dark nights,.....The occasional million candlepower spotlight / landing light,....and one of my favorites, The old monofilament, catgut, and rosin "Growler" attached to their wall. Predator call tapes are good ( most of these creeps are pavement pounders, just hiding rural). Put up a large , well made sign with a Hypo, reading "Caution, Addict Crossing".
My neighborhood is Meth Addict free zone now. I intend for it to STAY that way.
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LOL! I like the way you think my friend. Here's to much success and many a good belly laugh along the way! 
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Yes, meth is very, very nasty stuff. I'm continually amazed that folks still try it, knowing how addictive and destructive it is. On a much lighter and enjoyable note, as long as Tanith Belbin stays on the ice, I'll continue enjoying women's figure skating.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
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DP is just one case...I've handled many meth cases. Some POS's, some, many in fact, just decent folks with a problem due to one lapse in judgment. Yeah, they did it to themselves usually...does that mean we can't try to help them?
Saw a guy a few years ago go down the tubes. Lost his business and everything. Known him since we was kids, although he's a few years older than me. He said one day the only way he knew to get help was to get busted and do some prison time. He kept using and selling until he got his wish. He says it's the best thing that ever happened to him: "I'm finally free."
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Medication is about control; diagnosis is about limitations on rights later.
If a kid gets diagnosed with a mental disorder early, it makes it FAR easier to restrict their rights to, say, firearms, later in life. Far easier to have them continue to be placed under "supervision" of .gov "for their own good" later.... Your eyesight is perfect! Something I've suspected for a long time. And I don't like it.
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I have a very addictive personality. There were multiple times in college that I was around crank and coke. I had every opportunity to do it. I thank God that I was smart enough not to. I would be dead, or worse would not have had the chances to see my wonderful boys grow up. I would prolly have never gotten married for that matter.
We all have our vices. Im very addicted to copenhagen. I dipped it one time, and have been on it ever since. I can do with or without caffine. But did get on the pain meds once unknowingly. After my first knee surgery, they sent me home with a very large bottle of very strong Lortab. Was told to take 2 every 4 hours as long as I was hurting. Over the course of laying flat on my back for 4 weeks with my knee in a machine, and then 2 months of PT, one day I caught myself looking at the clock to see if it was 4 hours, and I wasnt hurting. I decided to quit. I have never came off of anything else, but I cant be much worse then what I went through that weekend. I thought I was going to die. I think death would have felt better.
After this, I had a new outlook on people that become addicted to drugs. Sometimes just a simple surgery, or thinking that they will just do it one time, can turn into a life of misery. I used to look down my nose at dope heads, but now I realize how easy it can be to become addicted to something with only one small wrong decision.
Toby Joe More exceptionally good eyesight. My weakness is the pain pills. Only in very rare circumstances will I agree to use them. I like them WAY too much. So I avoid at all cost. I don't care about pain, life and family is just too important so I refuse. I have to.
BAN THE RAINBOW FLAG!
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"When is penguin season, daddy? I wanna go kill a penguin!"
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Speaking of which, have any of you seen what GUNS did in Connecticut a few weeks ago? Damn guns killed 8 I seen what guns did to you.
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fortunatly i dont have an addictive personality of any sort......get the physical addiction stuff ofcourse and usually those side effects are what wind up pissing me off and quiting the pain pills cold turkey bout once a year....work doesnt let me take them during the day most days so when i hit a certain threshold i start getting the skin crawling feeling at bout 3 in the afternoon.....4 or 5 days of that and i get pissed, put myself through a rapid 3 day detox and grit my teeth through the pain for 4 or 5 days to reset my tolerance to them......if they came up with a pain killer with the same effectiveness but none of the fuzzy thinking i would pay significantly more for it and be damn happy bout it....
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