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Why be heartbroken? Jefferson repeatedly said that freedom required such actions every so often to maintain freedom and stop the inevitable decay into tyranny.

One should look upon such talk as a positive, not only that we still have the right to discuss it, but care enough to consider it.

The USA is not Britain. The Federal government will do whatever it takes to preserve itself from the masses. Based on past performance, I have no doubt that DC will not hesitate to use nuclear, biological, and chemical agents to bring the masses in line. Unarmed civil disobedience is not going to work especially with the Messiah and his Democratic minions in the White House.

Prepare for total war when it comes. And the day of recking is not far off. If the Christians are right, this maybe the armageddon that brings back Jesus to rule.

For you military types stationed in foreign countries I'd be making sure you have a way out when the SHTF unless you like the locals and intend to go native when the SHTF.

I don't believe that the worst will happen. I've said it before and the one thing that holds true, at this point in time, is our country is just too divided to have a decisive uprising.

Point. My my neighbor one side is truly concerned. My neighbor on the other side is an Obama supporter that thinks things are going fine.

I live in an very average nice subdivision just like the vast majority of folks living in suburbia USA.

I'm the only with guns, FWIW. What's that mean? I dunno.

the idea of soldiers conspiring at revolution is just as disturbing as the idiot socialist in the White House....and just as illegal.


time to get a grip, guys.....yes, Obama is awful, the damage he has done will take decades to repair. But the problem is that he was elected by a substantial majority of the voters, as were the communist democrats in Congress who have permitted him to do what he has done. the fact that the other side won an election and is doing stuff we hate is a good reason to get out there and make sure they get thrown out at the first opportunity.

we still have elections and we still have courts.....when those are interfered with, then it's time to hoist the black flag and start slitting throats.

and yes, I hear talk from my friends in uniform that would be violations of article 134....it's a measure of the righteous anger that will throw these villains out in due course and in accord with the law.

Steve,

There are a helluva lot of people that are just sick and damned tired of being [bleep] by both parties. That number grows daily.

No offense, my friend, but given your position and station in life, you're a bit more insulated from it than many... perhaps most.

shredding the constitution in the name of saving it is a bad bargain....that's why we have elections


silly talk about armed revolution is just a distraction from the hard real world work that needs to be done


same kind of ridiculous BS the lefties did under Bush....this stuff reads like a reverse DemocraticUnderground forum. the difference of course being that the guys on this forum actually have the weaponry and in some cases the expertise to make the threat more real

I don't remember the person who said it, but "Nobody prays for peace more than the soldier."

I believe that anybody that longs for bloodshed, has never done it, nor have they witnessed the bloodshed by a friend.

Gen Sherman once said "War is hell, combat is worse."

No, I do not look forward to something of this effect. It does break my heart that things have come so far as to require at least the open discussion of it. I'm no pacifist. I believe that there is a time to stand up and fight.

Why are these troubling times for me? I love my Country. I love our History. I just hate the fact that we have fallen so far. That's what breaks my heart.

Steve;

You just reinforced my point. Folks on both/either/neither side are just getting sick and tired of getting screwed by .gov, regardless of who/which party is in office.

There are more than a few that see it not as a shredding of the Constitution, but of a .gov/system that itself has already shredded at least the spirit, if not in fact the word, of that same Constitution, of the documents before and underlying it, and of the Founders.

The "hard work that needs to be done", is (at least in the minds of a growing number) not necessarily the same as what you think it is. Again, that (and, no offense) may be due to a difference in station/position in life.

Steve, I agree with some points but it doesn't take a genius to look at the changing demographics here in this country and recognize that Anglo influence is dissipating.

Now if you believe that African Americans and Mexican's will be as benevolent in majority as Anglos were in the second half of the 20th century through today and that our own version of Rhodesia; South Africa etc., is impossible, then so be it.

But one need only look at the benevolence of said people in major cities, where they have majority control, to truly see where our future lies.

Steve,

Bud, if you notice, I'm raising the fact that this trend concerns me. The fact that these discussions are ACTUALLY happening more and more, concerns me.

I agree that what the soldiers were doing is illegal, that's why I gave them a fair warning. I understand their concern though. I understand the absolute frustration that both conservatives and liberals are having with the folks in Washington. It's not one ideology waring with another. It's the anger that the masses feel towards the political class. The elected representatives that betray their voters at every turn. No matter what party or ideology they come from. Americans at every level feel betrayed, and are angry.

Like you, I thought this kind of talk was for the extreme wierdo's out there. I'm merely pointing out that it's now gotten to a place where the normal folks are asking the questions.

Also, like you, I believe the vast majority of Americans (myself included) still believe in the Rule of Law.

I think the majority of people that are upset are not for "shredding the Constitution" but rather for upholding it in the face of those who ARE shredding it in Washington. I don't for a second believe that people want to raise arms and kill each other. I DO believe that they feel SOMETHING needs to be done, because things are failing left and right.

Exactly.

i don't think there will be an uprising or rebellion. most people don't care enough to do anything except complain. heck, most don't even vote! everything that has happened under obama's watch can be reversed IF good men/women get elected (and then do what they promised on the campaign trail). otherwise, we'll just wallow in the crap until another opportunity to vote and hopefully change representatives/potus. if there were to be a rebellion, it would come AFTER fiscal conservatives gained power and cut funding for all the social programs. then all those on the government tit MIGHT rebel. otherwise, ssdd.

Hotsoup,

Sadly, I agree that most Americans would rather complain, rather than be active and do anything about it. However, it SEEMS (and I may be wrong) that more and more people are feeling compelled to get off their butts and do something. The worse things get, the more they seem compelled. Just my observation.

I don't disagree with any of what you've said. Outside of the fire I've started asking people just what they think about the current situation. The one overwhelming issue I've run into is that most people I talk to just don't realize what's happening or has happened YET.

Being insulated or just unaware is not very far from the norm.

That's my very limited take on it based on my very small circle of folks that I've had conversations with.

I'm not condoning that attitude at all. My opinion is very different.

All empires fall, and they all tend to fall the same way. The governed simply stop listening to/attending the .gov. They collapse from the inside. Witness the fall of the U.S.S.R., most recently. IMHO, it'd be more like that than anything else, with attendant results.

On that point I totally agree. I can see the current political idealism going out with a whimper instead of a bang.

I don't believe ours is past redemption though. It's up to the people however. We NEED to vote smarter and better. People need to study their politicians. That's not being done. One side get's their marching order from CNN and the other gets theirs from FOX.

Get leaders in Government, instead of power hungry, greedy money thieves. Enact the Fair Tax, Enforce the 10th Amendment, let our military do their job, and I believe we'd see things turn around REAL quick.

Problem is, none of our politicians (currently) would ever let any of that happen. They are not interested in healing the Country. They are interested in their own ego's.

In Paul Harvey's speech, 'The Testing Time' he mentions this as a normal part of the cycle of governments. He said that we would evolve from an oligarchy, to monarchy, to democracy, to dictatorship to anarchy where the people would cry out from the chaos and confusion in the streets, "Please, God, give us a king" and God would give them a king and they'd start the whole cycle all over again. I may have gotten the order of governments out of whack but the speech is on YouTube and well worth the listen. I think we do live in perilous times. I'm having difficult deciding just what will be my 'trigger' because once it's tripped there's no turning back.

good point Sean, perhaps we see Steve in much the same light.

he's not only a smart man, but a good man, a helluva combo and he's done well from what I can ascertain to secure his family's well being


I guess the amazing thing to me at this point in life is I believe both sides have screwed us.

being a small biz owner I've long supported and voted GOP



both Repubs and Dems have faced gridlock and both have had opportunities to put forth their agenda when enjoying the reins of power by having a majority of both Houses and the administration in recent history.


I would love to see a statistical analysis on the effect of a Senator or Congressman or President's net worth while employed by the people and after their employment is terminated.

I agree with Steelhead's premise that it's the folks that elect them that are part of the problem, but I differ from him as seeing it as the whole problem.

Leadership takes discipline, self discipline is the most difficult to achieve but a necessary quality for leadership imo.


My kids often have the I wants and for that matter me too, but I've practiced denial both for them and myself when yes we could afford whatever it was any of us wanted for the greater good of our family. That in no way qualifies me to lead anything other than my family, but I think it's important that we've practiced that self discipline.


automatic pay raises without a need for a vote are the rule of Congress. Retirement pension and benefits that are beyond compare to most tax paying Americans could ever hope for.

and what have they done to earn these things collectively?


they've bankrupted the most financially successful nation the world has ever seen.

they've taken money that was earmarked for folks (ss) so that we wouldn't have old people dieing in the streets of starvation and used those funds to offer grants of ridiculous nature in many instances, reward people for being non prodcutive etc.


I would think if any of us ran a corporation in the same manner we would be up on criminal charges.

I know when I had a qualified pension plan at the company I own, if I had taken those funds collected for my employees retirement and used them for other purposes the Federal gov't would have brought criminal charges against me and rightfully so.

but they won't police themselves in the same manner.

yes as Steelhead says part of the problem is their has been an ever increasing population that not only expects but demands that those in DC take care of them, good care mind you, with the proceeds of those that pay taxes.

there will always be parasites, but the Federal gov't has allowed that problem to grow by continuing to fund and increase the funding for that parasite class of people.


but while we're pointing the finger at those that promote socialism, we're forgetting the 3 fingers pointing back at us that do believe in self sufficiency.

We've not hung the bastards from the cherry trees in DC, we've not even thrown them out of office or rescinded their rich retirement and benefit programs.

We've failed to do what Jefferson said would be necessary imo.


they collectively have bankrupted the richest nation the world has ever seen and mortgaged away the future for our children and grandchildren.

the facts and figures are there for any that will open their eyes and see.

If we were to have a revolution that were to do any good, I'd venture to say we're about 40-50 years too late.

Steve says we're too early for such talk, I say too late, just a difference in opinion.

but I do say what we've allowed both sides of the aisle to do is criminal.

I just hope our children don't hate us for it.

but who could blame them if they did?