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Steve;

You just reinforced my point. Folks on both/either/neither side are just getting sick and tired of getting screwed by .gov, regardless of who/which party is in office.

There are more than a few that see it not as a shredding of the Constitution, but of a .gov/system that itself has already shredded at least the spirit, if not in fact the word, of that same Constitution, of the documents before and underlying it, and of the Founders.

The "hard work that needs to be done", is (at least in the minds of a growing number) not necessarily the same as what you think it is. Again, that (and, no offense) may be due to a difference in station/position in life.

good point Sean, perhaps we see Steve in much the same light.

he's not only a smart man, but a good man, a helluva combo and he's done well from what I can ascertain to secure his family's well being


I guess the amazing thing to me at this point in life is I believe both sides have screwed us.

being a small biz owner I've long supported and voted GOP



both Repubs and Dems have faced gridlock and both have had opportunities to put forth their agenda when enjoying the reins of power by having a majority of both Houses and the administration in recent history.


I would love to see a statistical analysis on the effect of a Senator or Congressman or President's net worth while employed by the people and after their employment is terminated.

I agree with Steelhead's premise that it's the folks that elect them that are part of the problem, but I differ from him as seeing it as the whole problem.

Leadership takes discipline, self discipline is the most difficult to achieve but a necessary quality for leadership imo.


My kids often have the I wants and for that matter me too, but I've practiced denial both for them and myself when yes we could afford whatever it was any of us wanted for the greater good of our family. That in no way qualifies me to lead anything other than my family, but I think it's important that we've practiced that self discipline.


automatic pay raises without a need for a vote are the rule of Congress. Retirement pension and benefits that are beyond compare to most tax paying Americans could ever hope for.

and what have they done to earn these things collectively?


they've bankrupted the most financially successful nation the world has ever seen.

they've taken money that was earmarked for folks (ss) so that we wouldn't have old people dieing in the streets of starvation and used those funds to offer grants of ridiculous nature in many instances, reward people for being non prodcutive etc.


I would think if any of us ran a corporation in the same manner we would be up on criminal charges.

I know when I had a qualified pension plan at the company I own, if I had taken those funds collected for my employees retirement and used them for other purposes the Federal gov't would have brought criminal charges against me and rightfully so.

but they won't police themselves in the same manner.

yes as Steelhead says part of the problem is their has been an ever increasing population that not only expects but demands that those in DC take care of them, good care mind you, with the proceeds of those that pay taxes.

there will always be parasites, but the Federal gov't has allowed that problem to grow by continuing to fund and increase the funding for that parasite class of people.


but while we're pointing the finger at those that promote socialism, we're forgetting the 3 fingers pointing back at us that do believe in self sufficiency.

We've not hung the bastards from the cherry trees in DC, we've not even thrown them out of office or rescinded their rich retirement and benefit programs.

We've failed to do what Jefferson said would be necessary imo.


they collectively have bankrupted the richest nation the world has ever seen and mortgaged away the future for our children and grandchildren.

the facts and figures are there for any that will open their eyes and see.

If we were to have a revolution that were to do any good, I'd venture to say we're about 40-50 years too late.

Steve says we're too early for such talk, I say too late, just a difference in opinion.

but I do say what we've allowed both sides of the aisle to do is criminal.

I just hope our children don't hate us for it.

but who could blame them if they did?

Haven't even got past the midterms and folks gotta start blowing revolt talk smoke out their ass.

"If this be treason, make the most of it!"

-Patrick Henry, 1765.

Hotsoup,

Sadly, I agree that most Americans would rather complain, rather than be active and do anything about it. However, it SEEMS (and I may be wrong) that more and more people are feeling compelled to get off their butts and do something. The worse things get, the more they seem compelled. Just my observation.

Yeah, we know Bristoe...politics only mean schit when your idiot is involved. Most folks got past your level of political whining and participation when they got their driver's license.

"Politics ain't gonna fix this."

On that point I'll respectfully disagree.

We haven't hit political rock bottom yet and I don't believe we'll get there either.

Goverment can and does have huge impact on the finacial foundation of our country. Greed alone will prevent a total enconomic collapse of the United States and it's present form of government. There's too much at stake for those in power that have wealth to prevent utter chaos from occuring. Their and our way of life is at stake. Only with a total economic breakdown of the average American's way of life will there be riots in the streets and people bearing arms against our government. I just don't see that scenario ever happening.

Politicians have a huge responsiblity for what got us here in the first place. Were they totally at fault? NO. However, their actions since the current economic downturn started have compounded the problems along with the current gov spending policies. I also believe their actions in the future are necessary and needed in order to correct it.

At some point in the future someone, or better yet many somones, will step up and put us on the right path.

I haven't given up on America yet. Capitalism will eventually rule the day.