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Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 Coyote_Hunter #4378223 09/02/10
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,427 Land of iron and beer B BlackFrog Campfire Regular
BlackFrog Campfire Regular B Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,427 Land of iron and beer	I decided to try out the newer Savage 10 Max1 in 22-250. It is like the Predator Hunter model, but the Max1 includes a 24" heavy barrel, fluted for weight savings and the Accustock along with Accutrigger. 8.5 pounds: http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/10PREDATORHUNTERMAX1 Last edited by BlackFrog; 09/02/10.

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Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 ironbender #4378373 09/02/10
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,864 Anchorage, AK D DanInAlaska Campfire Regular
DanInAlaska Campfire Regular D Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,864 Anchorage, AK	Originally Posted by ironbender Really looking for the pros and cons of each for the intended application. Where do you place the importance of the 22-250's speed increase? If you're asking the question to determine weather or not you should buy one of those .22-250 Rugers from Art, I'd say go for it. The price is right, and being that you don't reload, you'll never notice anything "wrong" with the factory twist in the .22-250. If you are asking the question because you want to build a rifle from scratch, then I'd follow the advice of the "twist matters" camp. Twist is paramount to everything in a .22 centerfire. My .223AI and .22-250AI are both 1-8" twist, and I can shoot anything I damn-well please out of them. When you start to reload, you'll appreciate that. Between the .22-250 and .223, the little one is more fun & cheaper to shoot. The .223 does a lot with a little bit of powder. Brass for the .223 is cheaper and easier to find on the "once-fired" market. The speed increase in the .22-250 is pretty far down the list of "must haves" for me. If you don't already have a .223, you need one.....unless you stumble across a really good deal on a .22-250. Thoroughly enjoying Alaska since 2001.

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 DanInAlaska #4378523 09/02/10
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna
ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas	Well stated. I will add, on a personal note, that I have never owned a .223 that I was really dissapointed in. I can't say that for several 22-250's. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 ltppowell #4378607 09/02/10
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FC223 Campfire Member Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 132 Mississippi	I have two .223s one 7 twist one 8twist! I shoot burgers out of both 80gr VLDS for the 8twist. And 90gr Vlds in my 7twist!Range isnt a Prob @ all! 600yards all day with the 80s, and ive shot the 90s to a G... So yeah Twist=bullet weight=BC= Longrange!

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 Sitka deer #4378816 09/02/10
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86,252 Likes: 25 In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn... ironbender OP Campfire Oracle
OP ironbender Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86,252 Likes: 25 In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn...	Dan - I was waiting for you to tell me to just get one of each and be done with it! I got Chris giving me the nudge to go 223. Art's got the 22-250, and you make a great big circle! Making room for the reload bench for this fall/winter. So that is a consideration. Not convinced I can do either right now, what with an extry horse and what we had to pay for hay this year. I'm thinking and planning and there are other irons getting close to the flames. All- In regard to woofs, I ain't ascared. I've seen a couple. Even called one to about 20 yards. When I tired of toying with it, I stood up and it took off. Almost every one will unless it has a CNS virus. It's just a dog. Some are big dogs, but still just a dog. Thanks for all the replies. If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender

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Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 ironbender #4379143 09/02/10
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,262 Between Seafire and Scott F B Bulletbutt Campfire Outfitter
Bulletbutt Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,262 Between Seafire and Scott F	I paid $3 a 80# bale for 2nd cutting alfalfa two days ago...is that a good deal? I bought 20 bales for $60, loaded in my truck. Last edited by Bulletbutt; 09/02/10. I saw a movie where only the military and the police had guns. It was called Schindler's List.

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 ironbender #4379149 09/02/10
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,262 Between Seafire and Scott F B Bulletbutt Campfire Outfitter
Bulletbutt Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,262 Between Seafire and Scott F	I know...you hate me. I saw a movie where only the military and the police had guns. It was called Schindler's List.

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 Bulletbutt #4379179 09/02/10
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86,252 Likes: 25 In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn... ironbender OP Campfire Oracle
OP ironbender Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86,252 Likes: 25 In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn...	Originally Posted by Bulletbutt I paid $3 a 80# bale for 2nd cutting alfalfa two days ago...is that a good deal? I had to think about that for a microsecond! Don't hate you. People tell me Oh, horses are expensive in Alaska. I reply that so are snowsleds, 4wheelers, boats, rtc. Ya just gotta make choices! If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 ironbender #4379876 09/02/10
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,262 Between Seafire and Scott F B Bulletbutt Campfire Outfitter
Bulletbutt Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,262 Between Seafire and Scott F	Actually horses are cheaper than some other habits/toys/modes of transportation, but as a former horse owner, I felt it was my duty to razz you a little. How much does alfalfa go for there now? Last I heard was 14 years ago and it was $400/ton then, around Fairbanks. The $3 I quoted you is a low figure for here (NE Washington---Chewelah). These were a part of a pile that had fallen over and he discounted them so as to not have to handle them any more than necessary. Actually he charges $5/bale and even that's pretty cheap. I was paying $6/bale five years ago around Yakima. Feed stores charge up to $20/bale later in the winter here. I saw a movie where only the military and the police had guns. It was called Schindler's List.

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 Bulletbutt #4380124 09/02/10
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86,252 Likes: 25 In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn... ironbender OP Campfire Oracle
OP ironbender Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86,252 Likes: 25 In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn...	Alfalfa would be pretty pricey as it won't grow here and would have to be imported. I feed grass hay. What grows here is brome, timothy, or a mix. If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender

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Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 Bulletbutt #4380308 09/03/10
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by Bulletbutt I know...you hate me. I hate you too....does that count? I gave the thread a minor derail with my .223AI comments, and tune back in, only to find you guys talking about hay... I feel like such an amateur.... Ingwe "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 ingwe #4380777 09/03/10
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 9,532 Likes: 2 Vic_in_Va Campfire Outfitter
Vic_in_Va Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2002 Posts: 9,532 Likes: 2	Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by Bulletbutt I know...you hate me. I hate you too....does that count? I gave the thread a minor derail with my .223AI comments, and tune back in, only to find you guys talking about hay... I feel like such an amateur.... Ingwe I agree with ya...this thread is gonna turn to horsecrap...

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 Vic_in_Va #4380848 09/03/10
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	Ingwe "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 ingwe #4381211 09/03/10
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,262 Between Seafire and Scott F B Bulletbutt Campfire Outfitter
Bulletbutt Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,262 Between Seafire and Scott F	You don't hate me...jealousy is distinctly different from that. Yeah, yeah...I know...more horsecrap! I saw a movie where only the military and the police had guns. It was called Schindler's List.

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 ironbender #4381599 09/03/10
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,864 Anchorage, AK D DanInAlaska Campfire Regular
DanInAlaska Campfire Regular D Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,864 Anchorage, AK	Originally Posted by ironbender Dan - I was waiting for you to tell me to just get one of each and be done with it! Yep, both is always the best answer! My first choice is the .223, but a smokin' good deal on a .22-250 wouldn't scare me at all. Thoroughly enjoying Alaska since 2001.

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 ironbender #4382324 09/03/10
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,736 Minnesocialism B bigwhoop Campfire Ranger
bigwhoop Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,736 Minnesocialism	iron, I'd be a 250 proponent because of the size of the two animals you mention. However, the guide I know in AK uses a Ruger boat paddle .223. Kills around 25 wolves every year. The Ruger is slung on a snow machine that gets driven many hundreds of miles. He uses a FMJ to minimize pelt damage. He has taken some wolves out to 300 yds.. FWIW My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 bigwhoop #4382454 09/03/10
Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 28,277 Bozeman, Montana Mark R Dobrenski Campfire Ranger
Mark R Dobrenski Campfire Ranger Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 28,277 Bozeman, Montana	And, I'd imagine more than a few at about 3 feet... Dober "True respect starts with the way you treat others, and it is earned over a lifetime of demonstrating kindness, honor and dignity"....Tony Dungy

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 Mark R Dobrenski #4382499 09/03/10
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,019 USA D Dr_Lou Campfire Regular
Dr_Lou Campfire Regular D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,019 USA	I have had several 22-250s, but always found that if I needed more, the logical step up would be 243 or larger. Lou ************************ NRA Benefactor member

Re: Pros and Cons: .223 vs .22-250 Dr_Lou #4382979 09/04/10
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woofer Campfire Outfitter W Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,294 VT...	30-06 vs 308.... same hole, less recoil, cheaper to shoot. practice out to too far and take 2 steps back... 223 wins..... woofer "I would build one again, if it were not for my 350RM (grin)." MtnHtr

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