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No experience with either the 35 Whelen or pump action rifles.
Has anyone got a favourite 225 grain load?
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R-P reformed .30/06 cases, R-P 9 1/2 and 59 gr. of IMR 4320 with the 225 Sierra works well for me.....
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Here's a couple with Rem. Whelen brass and CCI LR primers:
54.5gr IMR4064 with 225 Partitions or Sierra GK
57gr R-15 with 225 Accubond.
You can go hotter (the action is plenty strong)but I've found the best accuracy with the above loads in the M7600's that I load for.
If this is your first experience with a Rem. pump, be prepared to be pleasantly surprised with how accurate it can be.
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225 gr Partition, Rem. brass, with 57.0 R15 works very well for me.
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I love Sierra's 225 boattail spitzer for my 35 Whelen Improved. (It's short but super accurate. Good value, too.) I'd recommend working up a load with Re-15.
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Dunno if it's suitable for a 7600 Remmie but my mauser like 60.4 gr. of RE15 and the 225 gr. barnes TSX.
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My 760 that's been rebored to .35 Whelen likes the 59.5 grain load of Reloder 15 and 250-grain Hornady Spire Point load that Alliant listed in their data booklet about 5 years ago. Gets about 2550 fps and 1" accuracy. (When Alliant and Speer became part of the same ATK group, the data listed changed to the 250 Speer Hot-Cor and the maximum load dropped considerably--possibly because of higher pressures with the Speer bullet.) It also likes the maximum 60.5 grain load of Varget listed in the Nosler manual with 225's, for 2700+ fps from my rifle's 22" barrel. It doesn't shoot quite as well as the 250-grain load, but is plenty accurate enough for shooting big game.
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John, without looking at a book I would have guessed the the 59.5 grain load with a 250 grain bullet would be hot. Did you ever get any indications as such? 22" barrel?
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The 35 Whelen is always unstated in the powder charge due to many old Spingfields so chambered. In modern rifles higher charges can be safely fired. 59.5gr of Reloader 15 was the load given by Alliant for years as the load in their relaoding guide. Then about 2 years ago, they lowered it substaintially. I cuurently load 62.0gr of Reloader 15 with a Barnes 225gr bullet. It will do absolutely anything you could rightly expect. Short of polar bears everything else can and has been taken cleanly in NA with the 35 Whelen. It also make a fine plains game rifle.
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Sakoluvr,
Not the slightest sign of excessive pressure, and this is a 760 with a 22" barrel.
However, one thing about Hornady Spire Points is that they usually produce less pressure than other bullets of the same weight, because the secant ogive results in less bearing surface.
This is probably why the Alliant data was reduced so much when they started using only Speer bullets for their data. (Speer data with Alliant powder, by the way, is identical to the new Alliant data.) The Speer Hot-Cores tend to produce more pressure than many other bullets, because they have longer bearing surfaces.
My rebored 760, by the way, had just about exactly the same throat length as 700's in .35 Whelen, so that isn't a factor.
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MD,
any experience with Ramshot powders in the Whelen?
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BigBullet, Which old Springfields are you talking about.
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BigBullet, Which old Springfields are you talking about. The reason given for the SAMMI pressures being set so low is because many of the low numbered (under 800,000 serial number) 1903 Springfield's were rebarreled to this cartridge. I really don't know what the real reason was, I've just read this often enough it seems to be fact.
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Does anyone have a copy of the older Alliant data- in particular 35 Whelen and .350 Rem Mag? Thanks.
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Does anyone have a copy of the older Alliant data- in particular 35 Whelen and .350 Rem Mag? Thanks. Looking for something in particular, e.g., Reloder-12?
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fremont- thanks. Yeah, R-15.
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Yes, I have the older data with the Hornady bullets. I don't know the copyright date, but all the pages are yellowed, so its been a few years. In the 35 Whelen 200gr Hornady SP bulets are listed with 60gr of Relaoder 15, 250gr Hornady RN bullets have a mox load of 59,5gr of Reloader 15. Velocities are 2675fps and 2550fps.
Intersting that in this publication, for 350RM, there is no data with Reloader 15.
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metricman,
Sorry, I missed your post. I haven't tried any of the Ramshot powders in the .35 Whelen, but would guess TAC would work very well, since it does so great in the .350 Remington Magnum.
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thanks, i'll give it a try
i was interested in your comment on bearing surface and pressure influencing Alliant in their load guidelines. i am sure that the various bullet manufacturers have precise measurements of the bearing surface of each of their bullets. not having access to that data i tried a little experiment where i rolled bullets over an ink pad and then on a piece of target paper. i then measured, as best i could with a dial caliper, the length of the ink mark.
while i suspect that differences in core construction and jacket material also have an impact on pressure, i thought this might be of some interest.
i only have a few types of 35 cal bullets but here's what i got (in inches):
225 gr sierra game king .51
225 grain nosler ballistic tip .47
225 grain tsx .38
250 grain hornady soft point .59
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thanks, i'll give it a try
i was interested in your comment on bearing surface and pressure influencing Alliant in their load guidelines. i am sure that the various bullet manufacturers have precise measurements of the bearing surface of each of their bullets. not having access to that data i tried a little experiment where i rolled bullets over an ink pad and then on a piece of target paper. i then measured, as best i could with a dial caliper, the length of the ink mark.
while i suspect that differences in core construction and jacket material also have an impact on pressure, i thought this might be of some interest.
i only have a few types of 35 cal bullets but here's what i got (in inches):
225 gr sierra game king .51
225 grain nosler ballistic tip .47
225 grain tsx .38
250 grain hornady soft point .59 I like it. While maybe not exact, the relative #'s say somthing.
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