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Oh boy! How much of a problem can a synthetic rifle stock or plastic-tipped ammo really be?! Almost sounds like some enviro-wackos want another ban, just like they did for lead ammo.

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CALIFORNIA - A new study is examining hunting and military firearms stocks/parts (the part of a firearm that comes in contact with the hands and face) and plastic-tipped bullets to determine if there is leaching of potentially harmful bisphenol A, an endocrine-disrupting chemical.

Although environmental scientists maintain that the forms of plastics that can leak out bisphenol A may not be found in certain firearms, plastic-tipped bullets and other parts, they bring in to question whether arms and ammunition manufacturers have looked into the matter and how much Government intervention there should be to protect public and private firearms users and the environment.

The toxicity for our military and hunting fraternity, as well as, wildlife is still very much in debate since the amounts found in some plastics were well below the Environmental Protection Agency�s standards; however, a few scientists maintain that this type of chemical could cause behavioral and neurological problems if exposure is frequent, long-lasting or if it can leach into the skin during recoil (high friction to skin when a bullet is fired).

Furthermore, the plastic-tipped bullets could pose environmental concerns to wildlife like the California Condor. For instance, a similar study on lead hunting bullets resulted in a banning of the use of lead bullets in California by the State's Senate when it was found that the lead could harm the California Condor and other wildlife. Assembly Bill 821 bans the use of lead bullets for hunting within California. The bill was sponsored by Assemblyman Pete Nava and has letters of support from a number of conservation and environmental groups.

Any established link to potential harm for humans or wildlife, some environmentalists argue, is unacceptable and would imply support of the use of BPA-containing plastics that are currently being recalled by some plastics manufacturers.

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Only in CA grin


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Originally Posted by ehunter
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I laughed too when the crazies in CA foisted the lead ammo ban on the hunters of CA - however just in the last two weeks we were all busy (along with NSSF, NRA, etc.) beating back a nationwide lead ammo ban. I don't laugh at the enviro-wacko's anymore - they are dangerous (in the legislative sense and in the physical sense - look at the Discovery Channel enviro-nut earlier this week). Not taking you to task, just passing on my awakening awareness that these fools are dangerous to our way of life.


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Here's some info on lead. Not very scientific, but true and very provable. You guys remember the fiasco up in one of the Dakotas a year or two ago, where they threw out all the donated meat, because of lead exposure. Now the EPA is considering banning lead, in all fishing impliments, of course Personally, I believe there is more to this than just exposure to lead, or what ever. Here's my story: I have been casting bullets, etc. from wheel weights for over 40 years. I had never given it a thought, until the fiasco I previously mentioned above. So I went to the doctor, and asked for a blood test for lead, (polution?) in my blood stream. The results, my level is below normal!! Also, we never used any particular practice, to keep our hands, and the air clean. I am going to ask my congressman to use my limited test in his opposition to this possible EPA rule. Unless you are dumb enough to eat it, or take a lead round in your body, I believe based on my limited test, that there is no danger. As to the Condors, why aren't the Turkey Vultures falling from the sky in droves? They eat more carrion than the Condors, and there is more of them. BS that's what I have to say. If for the sake of argument, I will be glad to forward any of you a copy of the blood test.

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Sense when do facts have anything to do with anything, most especially in Kalifornia.


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Maybe one day California will slide into the sea without warning.

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sweet, now I don't even need tough bullets, I can use poison tipped pills.

why do you california folk stand for this stuff?


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I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
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Where's Miles? I'm sure he'll want to be all over this.

(C'mon, really? Do ya think the itty little bit of acetal resin (plastic), polycarbonate (plastic), etc is going to create health problems when these same folks are slurping their "pure" water from the likes of polymer resin containers? You could tip a bullet in rat-poison-soaked plastic without creating a hazard.)

I hope these folks who worry about plastic stocks think about these same concerns the next time they plant their asses in their polymer canoes, their polymer covered car seats or bikes, or their fancy "natural" wood chairs - coated with polyurethane polymerizing wood finish. Just imagine what one's face would really look after 20 shots of high power rifle if the friction was as intense as they hope. They must be with the FDA: F****** Dumb Asses!


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You guys remember the fiasco up in one of the Dakotas a year or two ago, where they threw out all the donated meat, because of lead exposure.

That was Minnesota, don't confuse us with those crazy liberals! wink


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Actually, I think your neighbor to the north was also involved in the embarrassing hi-jinks.


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So it was, forgot that part. It's more fun to take a jab at Minnesota, it's become a bit of a tradition between the states particularly when Janklow (SD) and Perpich (MN) were governors.


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I'm so worried about BPA that I told my 10 year old to stop wearing his bike helmet, and I took off his bike seat, and the handlebar grips, and the pedals. Oh the hell with it, just stay inside and play with your video games. Wait a minute...

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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Maybe one day California will slide into the sea without warning.


I don't want to see that.. California is a wonderful state..

Like anywhere, there is a certain level of pollution of liberals within a state... and California has more than their share..

Liberals always like to take somewhere nice and screw it up...
kind of the way a dog will urinate all over everything to mark his territory..

The conservative Californians just need to round up all the illegals, the lefties, the Democrat politicians, the liberals and DUMP THEM ALL IN THE OCEAN..

the 75% of the population in S. Oregon will move back to California... ( see there is a method to my madness)


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Originally Posted by nighthawk
So it was, forgot that part. It's more fun to take a jab at Minnesota, it's become a bit of a tradition between the states particularly when Janklow (SD) and Perpich (MN) were governors.


Yeah I lived back there in those days..

I remember one of Perpich's statements on a radio interview..

" yeah, South Dakota is cheaper on taxes than Minnesota.. but when you live in S Dakota, you have to wake up every morning and realize that you are STUCK IN SOUTH DAKOTA!"

I sure loved the people in the upper Mid West...
I wouldn't want to live in S. Dakota, but they have some of the best folks you could ever want to meet there...

wouldn't want to live there, but always ready to visit there..same with No Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas..Oklahoma


"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC

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This is another reason why I choose not to sell my rifles to California - I could be inducing BPA poisoning to the morons (relatives) who live there - which actually could be a good thing. Lets go San Andreas Fault - do your job!!
BPA is where BOTOX comes from. It causes tightening of the facial muscles, extreme desire for socialism and general brain disfunction in laboratory rats, Hollywood celebs and all politicians - oops sorry Nancy.

If any of you haven't gotten serious about the danger coming from the EPA, you better take notice. This is a RELIGION to these extremists and right now they are in the drivers seat.

November 2 can't come soon enough for the adults to take over while there is something of this country left to salvage.

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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Sense when do facts have anything to do with anything, most especially in Kalifornia.


As Faulkner once proclaimed: "Facts and truth really don't have much to do with each other."



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Google search the supposed article cited by the OP.

Good troll...

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Boy, if that ain't circular logic I don't know what is... you're citing yourself as the authority on this story? That link leads a person right back to your two posts here.

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John_Gregori,

Can you just simply provide a link to the original news story that you posted/quoted?

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September 03, 2010, 5:08 PM EDT- 1 hour ago;
CALIFORNIA - A new study is examining hunting and military firearms stocks/parts (the part of a firearm that comes in contact with the hands and face) and plastic-tipped bullets to determine if there is leaching of potentially harmful bisphenol A, an endocrine-disrupting chemical.
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I did a Google search on the phrase "A new study is examining hunting and military firearms" and didn't find anything except a link back to this thread.

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