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i would have to go look in the gun place, but believe yugo.
my friend that sells the stuff said it was better quality than the polish, which had some misfires. You can go to the J&G sales website, or i think aim is carrying it.
AFter seeing this post again, i think i am going to take the pistol apart again, and drop the fire control group into a can of gas, and let it sit for a while, then blow it out with a air compressor and reoil. The grips are kind of funky, in they are kind of unconventional to take off. But you can see, at least i do, john browning all over this pistol.
i might add the not needed safety on mine actually works. The one i was handling last night the safety was a nightmare.
I don't know if i ever mentioned this, but an interesting story. Friend of mine in the marine corp was assigned to the iraqi police when we shipped over a bunch of glock19's. They weren't impressed and promptly started selling them in the village bazzaars on the black market and went back to the tok. Reason being the penetration of the tok round in car bodies etc.

FWIW, a little size/weight comparison:

Colt Series 70 1911A1, FEG PJK-9HP (BHP-clone), Yugo M57

Weight:

Colt 1911A1, 8+1 230 gr JHP: 45.7 oz
FEG PJK-9HP, 13+1 124 gr JHP: 38.4 oz
Yugo M57, 9+1 87 grain FMJ: 35.2 oz

Height (bottom of magazine, inserted into pistol, to top of slide):

Colt, 5.190"
FEG, 4.981"
Yugo, 5.178

Width at muzzle:

Colt, 0.985"
FEG, 0.837" (width behind step = 0.881")
Yugo, 0.825"

Height at muzzle (not counting front sight):

Colt, 1.446" (height at step = 1.541")
FEG, 1.346" (height at step = 1.456")
Yugo, 1.256" (height at step = 1.354")

Width at grips:

Colt, 1.241"
FEG, 1.373"
Yugo, 1.173"

Tale of the tape and scale don't have the M57 in bad company at all.

And, yeah, I agree with Ron; you can see JMB's influence/fingerprints all over the Tok - be that direct or indirect, it's a design so heavily influenced by JMB as to be unmistakeable.

Ron,
I am going to have to give one of those a run sometime when we get together. I have been scoping those out at J&G, but I get up there so seldom lately.

16 gr Power Pistol is all I can fit with double compression at 1.36" OAL 158 gr XTP.

I use a pin gauge in a collet bullet puller die to compress the powder in the case, because the force to compress the powder would squish the bullet to a larger diameter.
The same technique for:
9x17mm 8.7 gr Power Pistol 1.09" 158 gr XTP 1187 fps, 5" barrel
9x19mm 11 gr Power Pistol 1.69", 158 gr XTP
9x23mm 16 gr Power Pistol 1.36", 158 gr XTP


In Sept I upgraded Quickload and gave my name I was informed that Hartmut Broemel is very interested in my posts about testing Tokarevs.

Clark, I see you've been here longer than me, but don't remember you posting anything until fairly recently. I've read a few of your posts now and you seem fixated on reloading to dangerous levels. I'm not much on either telling people what to do on here or getting otherwise moralistic, but your stuff is gonna get somebody hurt.

There is nothing about the format or content in my posts outside of the scope of "P.O. Ackley "Volume I Handbook for Shooters & Reloaders" 1962.

I don't think we should dumb down all posts to the point of not including test data.

Explain this part further, I'm not getting it.



I'll be sure to watch for the credit, if in fact they do start using your data.

Still trying to figure out how the Tokarev with it's Browning-esque toggle link system is supposed to hold up to estimated pressures of over 940,000PSI.

WTF? Did the ComBloc manufacturers make the Toks out of adamantium or something?

unobtainium

I haven't read that particular treatise, but I take note that you did not say the loads were published in it. Are you saying they are published in Ackley's work? You have implied it.

Bullschitt there!!! There is abosolutely no way you are running 158 grain Hornady XTPs, at anywhere near 1187fps in a friggin .380 ACP aka 9x17mm

He lists the loads used in work ups to the point of failure in military bolt action rifles.

I try to compliment his work. He did not publish any tests on Swedish Mausers, so I got a 94,96, and 34 for destructive test.

Here are some examples from one of my posts 10 years ago:

P.O. Ackley 'Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders Vol. 2', 1966, page 2,
actions to be
tested:

6. Eddystone-Enfield Number 952302
62 gr 3031 140 gr .270 Ackley magnum
102,000 psi

7. Remington-Enfield Number 673777
68 gr 3031, 180 gr .270 Ackley magnum
197,000 psi

13. British Lee Enfield, Mark III caliber .303, Number 41469
50 gr 2400, 150 gr .30-40 Improved [.303 Epps]
159,000 psi

100% capacity with 1.09" COAL, 158 XTP, is 3.74 grains of PP for just under 25k PSI; Clark's only claiming 232% capacity... at 7.7 grains QL is only projecting a mere 618,000PSI!

Anyone want to volunteer to test drive that load in a PPK?

Velocity estimated in excess of 1800 fps. To hit 1187 fps, about 5.0 grains of PP (still 133% capacity and better than 55kPSI) would do it, according to QL.



1.69" COAL has the 158 XTP seated just a TAD long... like 0.272" IN FRONT of the case mouth.... Hmmmm

At standard COAL (1.169"), 100% capacity with the 158 XTP is 5.2 grains of PP, for a max load at about 33k PSI.

Clark's only claiming a 212% capacity load, and 1,390,000PSI.

Yeah, try THAT in a Beretta M9....



Ah, I stand corrected. It's only a 186% capacity load, and at 474,000PSI....

Exactly.

His loads show RIFLES coming apart in the 100k-200k PSI range.

You're claiming PISTOLS holding together for up to 4x to 10x that!

And yet the 9mm primers do not even pierce and the velocities are much less than predicted.
Quickload has a problem with straight wall cartridges blowing unburned powder out the muzzle.
It even says that in the instructions.

And yet for bottle necked cartridges, even loaded way hot, the velocity prediction will be right in the middle of the string.

Don't give up on Quickload, learn how to use where appropriate.
When Quickload says you have 100kpsi in 6mmBR, the primer will pierce.


Pic of one of my 7.62x25mm Tokarevs that more completely burns the powder.

So, "smart guy", what is actual pressure reading on a Tok, rechambered to 9x23Win, and loaded to a 186% compressed load of PP under a 158 grain XTP?

Now, that is really something.

That is relatively easy to make, given the manufacturer-ability of Tokarev barrels. I just took a surplus Parker Hale sniper trainer barrel, cut off the 308 chamber, and reamed for 7.62x25mm. If you can't do the mill, lathe, and weld, it would be cheap to have a gunsmith do it.

Wow dude. You are like, awesomely insane.

This all renders me absolutely speechless.