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That's the type of bull elk hunters dream of....
My wife shoots 165's in her 308 with devistating affect on bull elk.(my 308 likes the 180's and I haven't seen an elk shrug one of those off yet) She's also used the 7mm mauser in street clothes with grand results. To answer the 308 or 708 question. I'ld say it depends on if you reload or not. If you're a reloader it doesn't matter much. If all you shoot is factory then go with the 308, better selection of good bullet weights, the factories tend to load the 7 with lighter bullets. 150ish grain bullets from the 7 are just pure death on most anything that walks this continent.
the most expensive bullet there is isn't worth a plug nickel if it don't go where its supposed to. www.historicshooting.com
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Either one with a good bullet the Elk just won't know the difference.
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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"For those that cares the 308 Winchester is a poor performer with anything other then the 150 GR bullet"
WHAT?
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"For those that cares the 308 Winchester is a poor performer with anything other then the 150 GR bullet"
WHAT? duquensbeer is on par with swampy. One day he'll make headlines as well.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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In my honest opinion, I wouldn't use or buy a 7MM08
You are a retard.... No more.
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4100, Congrats on the bull. That is a monster! Any other pics?
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The only way to be sure is to set up 2 trail cams, each in prime elk habitat. Put several .308 cartridges in front of 1 cam, & some 7-08's in front of the other.
When the elk come up to read the headstamps on the casings, see which pile o' cartridges they run from fastest.
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The .308 will handle the 180 gr bullet a tad better than the 7 08 will handle the 175 gr. Both will kill elk at sedate velocities. Dropping down to the 140's in the 7 08 and 150's in the.308 with suitable bullets, you will see no dicernable difference. Getting below that you you might pick up a very small advantage with the 7 08. For those who think the .308 cannot do well with 180 gr bullets have obviously not shot many elk with them
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In my honest opinion, I wouldn't use or buy a 7MM08 The neighbor had one and it did not impress me to the point of where I would have ran right out and bought one and he sold it two years after he got it and now misses the gun he sold when he won the 7MM08.
If a person was going to buy a rifle to hunt Elk, they should buy a 30-06 because you will not notice any difference between the two when you cycle the round in the chamber and all it takes is one shot to kill a animal - so a quick 2nd shot wouldn't be enough of a reason to want to use a short case over using a long case.
The Elk that 4100 FPS has in that picture is very impressive. Way to go and keep up the good work.
For those that cares the 308 Winchester is a poor performer with anything other then the 150 GR bullet. Trying to shoot even a 180 GR bullet with a .308 would be like trying to haul a cord of wood with a CJ 5 Jeep. If you want a pick up truck to haul stuff you buy a full size pick up truck and haul your load all in one load.
The 30-06 is good even with a 180 gr bullet and is marginal at best with a 220 gr bullet. When you consider that a .300 Winchester Magnum has almost twice as much performance with the same bullet - it is clear that the .300 Winchester Magnum would probably be the right choice if I was me and not you. TFF!
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I've killed several elk with my 308 and they all went down with one shot except last years bull. I hit him at 250 yds broadside through the lungs and he stayed on his feet (barely) for about 10 seconds so I put another through his neck for an insurance shot but didn't really need to. 150 gr TSX's work and shoot great in my rifle and at 7 lbs even it is a pleasure to carry.
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Ranch 13, I think you're spot on.
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Thanks Luke, experience is a great teacher..
the most expensive bullet there is isn't worth a plug nickel if it don't go where its supposed to. www.historicshooting.com
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In my honest opinion, I wouldn't use or buy a 7MM08 The neighbor had one and it did not impress me to the point of where I would have ran right out and bought one and he sold it two years after he got it and now misses the gun he sold when he won the 7MM08.
If a person was going to buy a rifle to hunt Elk, they should buy a 30-06 because you will not notice any difference between the two when you cycle the round in the chamber and all it takes is one shot to kill a animal - so a quick 2nd shot wouldn't be enough of a reason to want to use a short case over using a long case.
The Elk that 4100 FPS has in that picture is very impressive. Way to go and keep up the good work.
For those that cares the 308 Winchester is a poor performer with anything other then the 150 GR bullet. Trying to shoot even a 180 GR bullet with a .308 would be like trying to haul a cord of wood with a CJ 5 Jeep. If you want a pick up truck to haul stuff you buy a full size pick up truck and haul your load all in one load.
The 30-06 is good even with a 180 gr bullet and is marginal at best with a 220 gr bullet. When you consider that a .300 Winchester Magnum has almost twice as much performance with the same bullet - it is clear that the .300 Winchester Magnum would probably be the right choice if I was me and not you. WTF once again... would you care to parade around at 1000 yards while I plink at you with my 308 and 185s???? doesn't matter that its short bolt either cause it won't take but one shot..... some folks need to get real. Never mind that 7x08 just bounce off animals...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I need a cold beer and popcorn...here we go.. Time for another six--pack?
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Out of the two my choice would be....mmmmmm.... 308 with 150's to 168's.....TTSX.... If your shooting in the 300 to 400yd mark.... IMO!!!! JUST IMO!!!! 7mm-08 with the 140's TTSX....
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Just so this inspiring conversation doesn't stop...
If I were buying the gun mainly for elk, I would go with the 308, especially if you don't reload. Factory ammo is much cheaper for the .308, and you can get heavier bullets in factory ammo. The only heavier (than 140 grain) rounds I have seen for the 7mm-08 are the Federal 150s, which don't have a great BC, and the Berger 168 VLDs loaded by Corbon. And BVAC Grand slams in 145 gr. That's versus a ton of 180 grain loads for .308. I have a 7mm-08 and have killed elk with it handily at a reasonable distance using partitions, but a 180 from a 308 is going to plow through bone and rumen better than a 140, if you take a quartering shot that isn't quite right. I wouldn't hesitate to use a 7mm08 on elk, and just be disciplined about what shots I take, but I wouldn't buy a 7mm08 for that purpose, if that makes sense.
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When do the fish and girl pics start???
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When you post them
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Seriously who gives a crap? They are practically the same rifle. Funny that a thread can go for pages and people can get pissed off over a topic that makes ZERO difference in the outcome of an elk hunt.
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A 260 is better than either.
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