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I finally have my 1:9 twist .223AI back together and am looking at working up some loads with 75gr Amax and 65gr Gamekings. I have the following powders on hand H335, Varget, H4895, TAC, RL15, RL17 I hear good things about RL15 and the 75gr Amax, just looking for a good starting point. Thanks.

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75g A-Max: Start 25.5g RL15 or Varget and work up.

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Originally Posted by ACLakey
I finally have my 1:9 twist .223AI back together and am looking at working up some loads with 75gr Amax and 65gr Gamekings. I have the following powders on hand H335, Varget, H4895, TAC, RL15, RL17 I hear good things about RL15 and the 75gr Amax, just looking for a good starting point. Thanks.


With the 75A-Max and assuming nekked. 24grs of '335,in R/P hulls,kissing the 75 A-Max and 400's in the hole...will getcha going in FORMED cases.

I've shot every powder you mention in my 223AI's,'335 remains KING..........


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H335 gives long barrel life also!

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Here are the results of the first round of loads. I did not have any pressure signs with any of these and will do a little adjusting before next time.

Temp 38-43 rain light to heavy


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It seemed like Varget was the better powder today but I have more work to do.

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It seems to like varget hot..

the others...not so much...


Lots-o-promise there grin
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Varget is no blessing.

Hint................


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Well, I made it back to the range today and despite the cold and heavy snow I am pleased with the results. It seems I found my load.

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The crono in the snow was a no go so I will have to get some more data next trip.

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3050fps,is my 21" cold weather minimum.

But in fairness,I've shot 'em all.................(grin)



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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Varget is no blessing.

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You're just a contrarian.... wink


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I wish Varget were GREAT,as it costs less than alotta stuff that works far better...but that ain't how it goes.

In fairness,here's a recovered 233AI/'335 fueled/3400fps launched 62TSX,fished from a very dead Buck at the 200yd line,via Montucky.

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I havent used enough varget to fill a thimble...just fuggin with 'ya...tried some in a deuce, OK but unremarkable..
you been gone so I dont know if you saw I actually got a 53 grainer back, from a Whitetail doe, 200 yds. .223 AI full of IMR 4895 @ 3401

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I'd take Dupont's '4895 as a "stand by",over Varget...though it don't meter as well.

I like my 53X's at 3550fps+ in a 21" 223AI and '335 of course is that fuel...................


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Mines a 22 incher and as stated, Im getting 3401 with the 53s and 4895...
Have not tried 335.....might hafta pilfer some.....

Been trying to do the non-loony thing and limit my number of powders..I suck at it, so I might as well pony up on some 335...


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I hear good things about '335 in the 223AI.

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Tell me this...Ive heard things..Difference between 335, 322 and Win 748?

Mine doesnt like 748... whistle


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I seriously wonder how [bleep] many times I gotta cite '335 excellence,in order for it to "stick"?

Plum amazin'...................


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Thanks for that insightful input....


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I'll repeat it:

"I seriously wonder how [bleep] many times I gotta cite '335 excellence,in order for it to "stick"?

Plum amazin'..................."

Mebbe,it'll stick?!!?..............


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Are you sure about this 335...?

You seem to be non-committal.... wink


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I may be a little slow, but do you find the H335 is good for light, heavy or all bullets in the 223AI? I had good luck with it and 40gr BT.

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Not sure...but I think stick likes it... grin

I haven't tried it yet in mine....


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I like it for everything 62gr and under. I run RL15 for the heavies, not that I couldn't run 335 there also. Most of my 75gr shooting is for fun during spring-summer and it gets stupid hot down here, so I go RL15.


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Krapp!...you guys are gonna talk me into buying some....


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'335 fueled 62TSX at 3400fps muzzle,after 200yd impact.

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Never let it be said that I can't take a hint...

or four.... grin


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That was a nearside hip,cross cavity dig,that lit inside the hide on the opposite shoulder.

"Penciled" right through...................(grin)


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My uncle has one of those police 223's and I can't get the 75's to shoot(that's the first keyhole I've seen)but 69mk's shoot well. Here is my wierd(again) findings. Couldnt get them to shoot with 335 but went sub moa quickly with '15? Could I be doin something wrong.....yep prolly am, but I do the same thing with '15 and get them to shoot?



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9" is a bubble 75A-Max twist rate and stabilization is an RPM issue. Some PSS's were 12" too.

For conversation,my Factory barreled 223 LTR punched 223AI(75's at 3100fps,which is an RPM increase,over where you are at),is wickedly accurate with the 75A-Max.

Nearest rifle...............


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Heading out the door.

'335 is your Huckleberry.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
That was a nearside hip,cross cavity dig,that lit inside the hide on the opposite shoulder.

"Penciled" right through...................(grin)


Perfectamundo....


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Heading out the door.

'335 is your Huckleberry.

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OK OK ALREADY!! shocked

Im about to pour the last of my TAC in some .223 varmint loads...that'll give me an excuse to buy some other ball powder....say....335 grin


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I remain dubious..................(grin)


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I'll get back to you on this....hopefully with pics... wink

But it'll be a little while.....too many other irons in the fire...

62 TSXs callin my name too..... whistle


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Originally Posted by ACLakey
I finally have my 1:9 twist .223AI back together and am looking at working up some loads with 75gr Amax and 65gr Gamekings. I have the following powders on hand H335, Varget, H4895, TAC, RL15, RL17 I hear good things about RL15 and the 75gr Amax, just looking for a good starting point. Thanks.


With the 75A-Max and assuming nekked. 24grs of '335,in R/P hulls,kissing the 75 A-Max and 400's in the hole...will getcha going in FORMED cases.

I've shot every powder you mention in my 223AI's,'335 remains KING..........


Try VV-540 and 450's with both..you won't be disappointed

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May as well tug a dick too?!!?

Dummy...........


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just running '335 through the powder measure will get you to reconsider things. When you've been anally weighing stick powder down to the kernel for match loads, charging a tray of .223AI W/ '335 out of the old Uniflow might could make you scratch your head, and reconsider your ways. Did me.

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Don't be taking the "bait" outta the water!

Damnit!.....................(grin)


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Just bought a pound of 335...


Schittbird..... grin


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bout time... grins


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Paul..if YOU say its good stuff, I'll buy it...

Scott and Stick...not so much..... wink


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Only a pound. How many .223's do you have smile


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I will be messing with 335 again soon. Any TAC lovers here? I have a bunch of it to use up.

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TAC is good stuff in vanilla .223...

Likely good with AI too...


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Am currently using TAC in my plain vanilla .223..

Tried it in the .223AI...and it didnt like it..

KK: Yep...only a pound..I'm just trying it... and I have only 3 .223s and AIs...'nother one on the waty..and I just got this new Barrel.... whistle


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How were the velocities?


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TAC worked well in two of the 223 AI's in my steel closet. Probably could bump the velocity a touch more as well.

NOT a dirty powder either....a side benefit??!!

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Originally Posted by GregW
How were the velocities?


Greg..I dont know..they werent shooting so I didnt bother to chrono them.... ( chrono always comes last for me..just to see... wink )


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I hear ya...

Just curious...


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But Im gonna chrono this H335 stuff....... wink


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My present 223AI prefers H335 with the 50 grainers. It kicks TAC's ass with that weight.

But TAC wins with the 75 A-Max. RL15 second, and H335 third.

If I had to choose one powder, H335.


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i hear good things about H335... you should give it a try... grins


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So....what I am hearing is H335 is worth a try???

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maybe....


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The guys at ramshot gave me 23.9 as the max TAC load for 223ai/75amax. Does that sound right to y'all?

I don't have a chrony, but groups aren't looking too bad.
Can anyone give me an idea of what kind of velocity I should be looking at with that combo?

If this is a stupid question and you're getting ready to jump my ass, realize that I'm pretty new to reloading and very new to AI stuff, so please suck it.

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so what your saying Ingwe is that i should give H335 a try? i might have to do that!

thanks for the tip! grins


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Wait a minute.... crazy


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you're a sly one!!! grins


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Soon as the new AI gets punched out..its getting H335...

Its in the smithys now......


This schitt better work.......... wink


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well after all of the talking you've done about it i'd hope so!!! i'm getting ready to buy some and give it a try on your recommendation... grins


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i try.... grins


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I'm trying to remember what powder I'm pushing the 62gr TSX and 64gr PP with. Now I remember H335


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I'd get more '335 if I were you Ingwe, as it also works well in the 6mm223 and I know you'll be doing one of those soon enough...


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Exactly how fast will H335 push a 75g A-max from an Ackleyfied .223?

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Originally Posted by Grand
Exactly how fast will H335 push a 75g A-max from an Ackleyfied .223?


To add to that, what power charges are you guys using for different bullet weights? I am going to be working up some loads and would like to start out in the ball park.

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I run '15 with 75's, 26.5grs


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Guy who wants the data for TAC and 75 Amax, PM and I will get my data for you. I will forget where you posted otherwise. I run the moly'd only, and that's what my data will be from.

I am running RL-15 for my moly'd 75 Amaxes as well. Right near Scott's load 26.2-26.4ish. Think I swapped to 450mag primers though


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i'm loading 24.5 gr H335 in formed hulls getting 2950-3050fps in three different rifles. Molly'd.

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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I run '15 with 75's, 26.5grs


Nekkid or mollied???



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Originally Posted by Paul Walukewicz
i'm loading 24.5 gr H335 in formed hulls getting 2950-3050fps in three different rifles. Molly'd.


with 75 amax's??????


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I shoot 26grs in all of mine,ala R/P hulls,400's and a moly kiss...............


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yup. i know i could get more but i loaded up a ton and am still shooting them... i'll bump it up a bit... the varied velocities are 3 different AI's done by three different smiths. i loaded them for the tighter chamber...


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also, i need to have one of my rem firing pins bushed and i haven't had a chance to get it off to be done... soon...


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My LTR and Montucky setbacks,will digest more powder at like COAL,than my Custom tubes...which is a constant no matter the chambering.

When feeding all,you gotta load to the snuggest bug in the rug..............



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I finally had good enough weather to make it back for a range day. I ran some loads with H335 and the 75gr Amax and am pleased with the results.

30F cloudy, still.
223AI Savage
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Target number 2 was a five shot group, three looked good so I pressed my luck and it turned out ok. smile 26gr is too hot and the bolt lift was a little sticky. I had similar results with RL15 so I am going to run both over the chrono when it gets here to see which load gives better velocity.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
I remain dubious..................(grin)

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Wasn't 100% sure on the definition of dubious -googled it and began to laugh quite hard.


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Originally Posted by ol_mike
Originally Posted by Big Stick
I remain dubious..................(grin)

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Wasn't 100% sure on the definition of dubious -googled it and began to laugh quite hard.


I can only get 'em to water................(grin)


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I ran several loads over the chrono with 10 shot strings this weekend.

22" 1:9 Stock Savage barrel rechambered.
COL wih 75gr Amax 2.460"
CCI 450 primers
Win or WCC case (neck sized)

26.2gr RL15
Vel = 3000 average
SD = 27.67
ES = 71
.75" 10 shot group

26.4gr RL15
Vel = 3025 ave
SD = 14.2
ES = 33
Gave the best velocity an the most consistant 10 shot group. 7 shots in a ragged hole and three fliers about 1/2" off, could have been me and the numb fingers from the cold. I am going to use this load for my long range experimentation and recheck this summer.

25.2gr H335
Vel = 2950 ave
SD = 47.15
ES = 128
This was a very accurate group during load development. With the cold -2F temperatures it was all over the place.

25.4gr H335
Vel = 2995 ave
SD = 26.44
ES = 60
Shot well, 6 in a ragged hole and 4 within a .65" circle.

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SO,

I'm drinking the Koolaid and buying a 223AI. Placing my first order for H335. I'm thinking that makes me a faster learner than the Great Poobah???


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R/P hulls,400's,'335,moly and a kiss. Find pressure,rock on.

Game over................


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Originally Posted by Kimber7man
SO,

I'm drinking the Koolaid and buying a 223AI. Placing my first order for H335. I'm thinking that makes me a faster learner than the Great Poobah???



I just caught this post...

You'll smoke a turd in hell for that....


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grin

Got my 335 and 400's. Got some Nosler brass cheap and 50 grain NBT's.

26.0 of 335 and kiss to FF right?



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Pawn the Nosler,grab R/P...............


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And a moly kit, I suppose?


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You're learnin'....................


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sheesh....


and make it 28.0 grains h335.... grin


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I can only getcha to water..................(grin)


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Odd...Steelhead said exactly the same thing.... wink


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I can waitcha out and have zero qualm issuing a "Toldjaso"...well in advance...............(grin)


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Duly noted...but I got a schittload of slow twisters to burn up first... grin


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I hear good things about moly in slow RPM's too.

Hint.

Toldjaso.................(grin)


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Save yer toldjasos...

I'm goin' bareback! laugh


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Any new updates ? grin

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Yep,

The 222 Mag is better (laffin')

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Finally found a place that has the 75 AMax in stock. Should be here by Wednesday...


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Where's that Marty?


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Brett,

PM sent.


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