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Jeff-Forget the ballistics battle, just pick a load for your '06 that is accurate with a bullet that is reliable, the 7mags won't give you any real edge and the deer won't notice the difference. Spend your money on good glass and boots, you'll need both out in the Steens or Trout Creeks. I've hunted the TC's 4 times in the trad archery hunt and have seen a grand total of one BIG mulie, a massive 5x5. While there are great bucks out there, they aren't behind every rock and there is a lot of country for them to hide in. The '06 will kill reliably to any range you care to shoot at them, so spend plenty of time practicing, not worrying about caliber and what other people think about it. Deer die by bullets being put in the right place, not by internet pissing matches. FWIW, I've found 2 spent cartridges out there, one a 30'06 and the other a 25-35 Win, I'm guessing both worked. Definitely take the time to pre-season scout whatever unit you draw and have a great hunt!

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BobinNH offered some sage advice. I like that part about hitting a basketball at 400 yards in five seconds. Nice analogy.

Ingwe - wow - what a monster buck! Awesome.

Jeff_O - I do most of my mule deer hunting with a .25-06 700 CDL and a fixed 6x Leupold. Over the past six years it's given me five mule deer, from 30 yards to an honest 400 yards. Light enough to pack easily up and down the mountains. Handy enough for quick shots. Accurate enough for longish range shooting.

Given your rifle inventory, I'd likely just grab the .30-06, and make sure to burn a bunch of rounds through it this coming year, also making sure to be in great physical condition for a potentially tough hunt.

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I've been using a "plastic POS" Tikka Whitetail in 7mag for over 10 years, with Hornady Heavy Mag 139gr IB's or SST Interlokt's. At over 3200 fps it's performed excellently from 80 to 428 yards. It will print 1/2" groups all day long. Rifles are just a tool to me. I use them hard and the Tikka is up to the task.

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"It won't run a ~ .600 BC bullet at 3050 fps."

Trust me, the deer won't mind if the bullet has a lower BC.

As a hunter with some experience, I'm sure you know that the hard part is findin' 'em. Usually, if you can find 'em you can shoot 'em.

That being said, if you want long-range flat shooting, it'd be hard to argue with the 257 Wbee.

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Either go buy or build a really nice .280Rem or a 7Saum.

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I've long believed in using 1 gun for everything. My current is a 300 WSM. It's overkill for deer or antelope, but once the bullet has exited, it doesn't matter how much energy is left in it.


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Originally Posted by JGRaider
I've been using a "plastic POS" Tikka Whitetail in 7mag for over 10 years, with Hornady Heavy Mag 139gr IB's or SST Interlokt's. At over 3200 fps it's performed excellently from 80 to 428 yards. It will print 1/2" groups all day long. Rifles are just a tool to me. I use them hard and the Tikka is up to the task.

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I am but a fraction of the man you are, Grand Poobah! grin


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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Jeff I get the whole numbers thing; figuring wind drift ,energy tables,blah, blah, etc.

But if I were in your shoes(I have been about a zillion times)I'd pay lots of attention to what the cartridge /load does inside 400 yards when you don't have time to play with the windmeter,use a LRF,deploy the bipod,yadayada.

Quite frequently,often enough,killing big mule deer has a whole lot less to do with fancy ballistic calculations than it does with your ability to get a bullet into vitals with seconds on the clock.And this gets truer the bigger they are.

There are a multitude of reasons for this,but they mostly have to do with big mule deer being a completely different critter from the smaller ones that inhabit the same region.

Rancho Loco is right when it comes to the glassing part,and you can kill them with about anything if you can find them first.But the biggest mule deer bucks I have seen in the last decade or so were incapable of being glassed by anyone,from anywhere,given their bedding locations and nocturnal propensities.I have hunted the big sage and juniper country of southern Utah;it will hide bucks for days that are impossible to glass up unless they stand up during hunting hours.Careful glassing may find them, given time and patience.But then you gotta kill them.....

So, maybe you are gonna have to go get them at some point;sneak right in where they live,and it will not always be a simple matter of finding, ranging, and shooting.You may have to move on them,and in so doing,may easily get "made".

Nice to sit here on the computer and contemplate that if you bump them you screwed up,but such analysis is not "real world" because if it was,and if no one ever made mistakes,everyone would have a bunch of big ones, which they don't....so....

What's my point? Simple....I have never hunted another big game animal that offered a wider range of shooting circumstances than a trophy class mule deer.And the chance to sureptitiously snipe one at distance is only about 10-15% of the total equation, at best,and is accorded about that much consideration, by me anyway.Fancy and complex ballistic considerations are a tiny part of killing trophy class mule deer.

You better learn to be fast enough....and good enough....to stick a bullet in a basketball at 20 to 400 yards in under 5 seconds,under stress.That is, if you want to kill many good ones.Choose rifle and load with that in mind.

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Awesome post, thanks Bob and everyone else!

I have good glass in my Swaro 8x30's and Minox 13x56's. The skill and patience to use them properly is another thing. I'm good in the thick stuff with my Swaro's but what glassing I've done with the "Big Eyes" has been enlightening in the sense that I came away feeling like I had a lot to learn!

All along, as I've been plotting burning these points, the 30-06 has been my default. Big fan. I'm a little "itchy" about my rifle battery right now and considering sending a couple of what I've got down the road, and buying/building my ultimate open-country deer/lope rig is all. May or may not happen.

I'm reading what everyone types rabidly- thanks so much. The taste of mule deer hunting I got in Colorado really whetted my appetite, and I grew up in the high desert so a hunt in that type terrain, really excites me too!


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Originally Posted by JGRaider
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Modesty is a virtue....

It is one of yours...


Not one of mine.... wink

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Nice buck, JG!


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Originally Posted by JGRaider
I've been using a "plastic POS" Tikka Whitetail in 7mag for over 10 years, with Hornady Heavy Mag 139gr IB's or SST Interlokt's. At over 3200 fps it's performed excellently from 80 to 428 yards. It will print 1/2" groups all day long. Rifles are just a tool to me. I use them hard and the Tikka is up to the task.

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Originally Posted by JGRaider
I've been using a "plastic POS" Tikka Whitetail in 7mag for over 10 years, with Hornady Heavy Mag 139gr IB's or SST Interlokt's. At over 3200 fps it's performed excellently from 80 to 428 yards. It will print 1/2" groups all day long. Rifles are just a tool to me. I use them hard and the Tikka is up to the task.

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The horn color on that buck is very special. Beautiful Buck

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JGRaider - that's one heck of a buck!

Guess you already knew that though...

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I've really enjoyed this post and it's given me a lot to think about. I'll be heading off to Montana for my first chance at Mulies and deciding what rifle(s) to bring has been part of the fun. My old dependable M700 '06 and M70 Swede will probably make the trip, but there's a recently acquired SAKO in .257 Roy that's going to get an audition before I head west.

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These two didn't care much for the great 7RM and NABs laugh

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140 NAB on one and 160 NAB on the other, 312yds and a whopping 75yds. Model 700 ADL glassed in a HS wearing a ZC 4.5-14x44.

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I was lucky with that big buck. Right place, right time. Reloader.....that's a nice one for sure.


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Luck is part of it JG smile That buck of yours is a stud!

I took those two within about 600yds of each other 1yr apart. All about being in the right spot I guess.

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Occasionally, the open country rifle is a muzzle loader...

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Zoinks. Biiiiig bucks! Wow.

How's a big mulie eat, anyway?



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