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While that may be true (and I'm sure you're ok there) I'm going by just what you posted, " "very difficult to kill a motorcyclist wearing a helmet." I could make the same argument if you include helmets mandatory in cars.. How many fatalities could be avoided in auto accidents if helmets were mandated? You don't see racers w/o helmets... Makes sense, eh?  I've got articles from several issues of the local rag where helmeted riders are killed in auto/deer collisions.. When it's your time - it's your time - helmet or no... Moulty (friend of mine) hit a Holstein at night goin' about 40 mph.. Helmet on. Didn't matter.. This was about 20 years ago.. Like I said - whichever way ya lean, it's just ONE MORE thing for the damn feds to get their mitts on and I DON'T WANT IT!!!! No argument there, my friend. I don't want a law either. We can agree to 'semi-disagree' in this case. 
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I guess I think it should be up to the rider, not big brother.
I am f!@#$$% sick of government intrusion into my life.
Yes Siree!!!! And this is the point of this whole thread.. A Dr Hurt did a study years ago at, I believe, the UCLA school of medicine and concluded that it was (I paraphrase) "very difficult to kill a motorcyclist wearing a helmet." What an absolute, total, idiot... That has to be from a guy who's never even SEEN a bike, not to mention ride one.. But then, it is UCLA... Why should I pay for the helo ride and a few hundred grand for a rider who has no insurance because of a head injury? More idiocy.. Geez... Why should I pay for the helo ride and a few hundred grand for a rider who has no insurance because of a head injury? First, because freedom is not free. Second, you don't pay a few hundred grand.
I really don't have any bones in this argument since I don't even ride a motorcycle. I also think it's a very good idea to wear a helmet, but far be it from me to demand someone else to. When the government starts passing laws to protect us from us I get very concerned. And as far as "no insurance" why don't we require everyone to have it. That'd solve everything. Now that's a great idea (yeah right).
How about we outlaw all fatty foods since heart disease is a leading cause of death in this country. Heck, heart attacks kill WAY more people that motorcycles do, and you're paying more for that bill than you are for non-helmet wearers. Or perhaps we start required daily PT programs.
While we're at it why don't we ban all motor vehicles since they are such major killers. Or at least impose such a large tax than the majority of Americans can't afford to drive one. We could all ride in electric trains because they're safer, and we all know they're better for the environment too.
And just for good measure why don't we ban all guns. After all, when that gang banger gets shot by a rival gang banger do you thinks he pays for his own hospital bill? Nope. You do.
Lots of people are fools because they believe that as long as a law doesn't impose upon their "rights" then they don't care if it imposes upon somebody else's rights. i.e. I don't have an assault rifle so I don't care if they get banned. Now that's great thinking.
Simply put it's a real slippery slope than I stay they heck away from. EXACTLY.. Again - to visit the gist of the original post - LET THE INDIVIDUAL STATES decide.. Get the FEDS OUTTA OUR HAIR!!! Sorry but you are in the weeds on the cost issues---it is evident that you are not in possession of many facts and just want to vent so go ahead. This is something that needs to happen and will eventually so if you want to pitch a fit and roll around on the ground go ahead. People I know are 6 feet under because they did not wear a helmet---I would be if I had not been so my perspective may be different than yours. Been there done that---have you?
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I well remember The Hurt Report and its impact on motorcyclists.
My thoughts are that if you choose to wear a helmet, do so - if you prefer not to, don't. I do not see the need for restrictive helmet laws.
I currently live in a state without a mandatory helmet law and am quite happy with that.
I would be DELIGHTED to see laws prohibiting the use of cell phones and texting while driving.
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I always wear a helmet on the motorcycle,especially on the street.
I don't like the idea of more laws, but I am of the opinion that wearing a helmet saves lives.
I guess I think it should be up to the rider, not big brother.
I am f!@#$$% sick of government intrusion into my life. Exactly! I have two bikes, rack up quite a few miles yearly and I wear a helmet 99.5% of the time. But, it should be MY choice not yours or some dumb-o-crat. Back in the '80s the feds suggested that all bikes should have outriggers so they can't fall over. Nothing like a five foot wide bike that has a predetermined lean angle! For all of you so quick to make rules for us on a M/C, how about this; You must wear earmuffs and safetly glasses when hunting just in case. No handloaded ammo when hunting, it's just too risky. No tree stands without a parachute, etc., etc. If you don't want your freedoms of choice messed with don't mess with mine!
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None of you that advocate government intrusion into your private lives, that think it is OK for big brother to demand you wear helmet,( for your own good of course) should be allowed to own a gun either. After all guns are dangerous you might shoot your eye out..
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redneck I agree, let the states decide get the federal goobermint out of it.
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We don't have to wear them, but I do.
If you have medical insurance, then you shouldn't be required to wear a helmet or seat belt.
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"very difficult to kill a motorcyclist wearing a helmet."
Many years ago-my kid brother managed to kill himself on his Gold Wing while wearing his helmet.
Having said that-stats prove helmets save lives-it is a no brainer-what is your head worth?
You want to really save a lot more lives-make everyone riding in cars wear them-ask any race car driver.
This is where the do-gooders usually shut up and go away.
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how many people are for helmet laws because helmets are safer, but seem to think it's ok to yap on their cell phones while navigating traffic? AMEN! And then drive up someones bumper in rush hour traffic only to slow down to 50 in the high speed lane. Pass them and watch them texting / dialing... I wish I could shoot target practice ( see if I can chute the device out of their hand! )
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I've been riding for 33 years, well over 150,000 miles. Maybe 10 of those miles with out a helmet. I feel it is foolish to ride with out one at any time. That said, I do not support helmet laws of any kind. Oh and I would be very dead from a wreck I had in 1979 if I hadn't been wearing one.
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What happen to the days when people were responsible for themselves? It should be a riders choice to wear a helmet. To stupid to not have insurance, you pay your own medical bill. Quit passing off an individuals bill to everyone else.
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Gotta file this one in the Darwin File and let the choice cast consequences where it may. 23% of highway fatalities have alcohol related causal factors involved. 77% belong to the group that drinks coffee, soda, water while driving. I'm guessing that most of the people that cause cycle accidents (car drivers) a) aren't wearing a helmet and b) are drinking something. Remember, don't drink and drive. If you have to drink and drive, make sure you kill someone!  Life is dangerous, there are no guarantees, make the best of the cards you're dealt.
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And I'd like to repeal mandatory seat belt laws, air bags, CAFE standards and the laws of gravity (smiley face).
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Anyone who engages in hunting should be required to wear level III full body armor when in the field.
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We don't have to wear them, but I do.
If you have medical insurance, then you shouldn't be required to wear a helmet or seat belt. If you have medical insurance you should be allowed to eat fried chicken too.
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I guess I think it should be up to the rider, not big brother.
I am f!@#$$% sick of government intrusion into my life.
Yes Siree!!!! And this is the point of this whole thread.. A Dr Hurt did a study years ago at, I believe, the UCLA school of medicine and concluded that it was (I paraphrase) "very difficult to kill a motorcyclist wearing a helmet." What an absolute, total, idiot... That has to be from a guy who's never even SEEN a bike, not to mention ride one.. But then, it is UCLA... Why should I pay for the helo ride and a few hundred grand for a rider who has no insurance because of a head injury? More idiocy.. Geez... Why should I pay for the helo ride and a few hundred grand for a rider who has no insurance because of a head injury? First, because freedom is not free. Second, you don't pay a few hundred grand.
I really don't have any bones in this argument since I don't even ride a motorcycle. I also think it's a very good idea to wear a helmet, but far be it from me to demand someone else to. When the government starts passing laws to protect us from us I get very concerned. And as far as "no insurance" why don't we require everyone to have it. That'd solve everything. Now that's a great idea (yeah right).
How about we outlaw all fatty foods since heart disease is a leading cause of death in this country. Heck, heart attacks kill WAY more people that motorcycles do, and you're paying more for that bill than you are for non-helmet wearers. Or perhaps we start required daily PT programs.
While we're at it why don't we ban all motor vehicles since they are such major killers. Or at least impose such a large tax than the majority of Americans can't afford to drive one. We could all ride in electric trains because they're safer, and we all know they're better for the environment too.
And just for good measure why don't we ban all guns. After all, when that gang banger gets shot by a rival gang banger do you thinks he pays for his own hospital bill? Nope. You do.
Lots of people are fools because they believe that as long as a law doesn't impose upon their "rights" then they don't care if it imposes upon somebody else's rights. i.e. I don't have an assault rifle so I don't care if they get banned. Now that's great thinking.
Simply put it's a real slippery slope than I stay they heck away from. EXACTLY.. Again - to visit the gist of the original post - LET THE INDIVIDUAL STATES decide.. Get the FEDS OUTTA OUR HAIR!!! Sorry but you are in the weeds on the cost issues---it is evident that you are not in possession of many facts and just want to vent so go ahead. This is something that needs to happen and will eventually so if you want to pitch a fit and roll around on the ground go ahead. People I know are 6 feet under because they did not wear a helmet---I would be if I had not been so my perspective may be different than yours. Been there done that---have you? Like I said, I don't ride a motorcycle. I also said I think helmets are a good idea. But who the hell are you to tell me I have to? Ehh comrade???
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I've been riding for over 45 years.I wear a helmet at most times.I feel that all government employees should have to ride bikes,without a helmet,and that all cattlemen should turn their cows out on the streets.
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Say "hello" to your new federally mandated hunting attire. ![[Linked Image]](http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h225/FalMike/bodyarmor.jpg)
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I am against a law, so is my wife.
But my wife, A surgeon just looked over my shoulder. Her comment on reading the thread.
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Gotta file this one in the Darwin File and let the choice cast consequences where it may.
23% of highway fatalities have alcohol related causal factors involved. 77% belong to the group that drinks coffee, soda, water while driving. I'm guessing that most of the people that cause cycle accidents (car drivers) a) aren't wearing a helmet and b) are drinking something. This is playing number games. As a % of total drivers, alcohol drinkers are in the extreme minority. If you take the figures of the % of alcohol drinkers instead of the % of total drivers, the fatality rate would would be much much higher.
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