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The 185 ttsx is an excellent bullet for the 338 winchester and will easily crush through anything you hit with it. Been there, done that. Mine is a lightweight rifle I consider an 800 yard rifle. It is deadly with those bullets to that range.
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Tom ain't skeered to take a rifle apart and start over... grin...
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Yeppers, that there is a well demonstrated fact. It doesn't pay hardware of any sort to disappoint me.
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A smoking trail of guns and Jeeps behind you... grins... Hey, can't remember if we talked about this. The non-geometric way your groups grow as the range increases is still baffling to me. Now granted, baffling me ain't rocket science, but.... have you tried a different scope on there? Could the scope have a major parallax issue? Otherwise, for the life of me I can't think of how your groups could grow like that other than a really wacky stability thing that seems unlikely. I'm sure I'm just being daft here... no public floggings please.... 
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I had a hunter kill a bull Tuesday with the 210 TTSX out of his 338-378 and they didn't stay in. He finished it up with a 150 TTSX in his 300 Wby and it did stay in!
I would imagine terminal performance will be fine with the 185 but ballistics not so hot.
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I took it out today. Neither the 210 TTSX nor the 225 grain Nos AB shot well, ballpark 3 inches at 100 yards. I shot up the rest of that ammo. 80-85 rounds of .338 in one sitting ... my shoulder doesn't like me. The leftover 185 grain TTSXes went roughly MOA Couple squirrels came up on the berm and I whopped them. Got complete penetration.  It's time to move on. It's sighted in for the 185s and I have 12 shells left, good enough to kill something while I'm trying to figure out what the plan is. Probably nothing 'til after Christmas.
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PS - Jeff - I've had 3 different scopes on this rifle in 2 different mounts, no difference in results.
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Cool. That's a lot of shooting! Probably a good way for a Beavs fan to take out some frustration............  It'll be interesting to see what evil plan you cook up next for that action, if any!  For all I know I've phooked up MY .338 and will be joining you in figuring out a long-action M700 magnum boltface build...
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7 Rem Mag...
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I took it out today. Neither the 210 TTSX nor the 225 grain Nos AB shot well, ballpark 3 inches at 100 yards. I shot up the rest of that ammo. 80-85 rounds of .338 in one sitting ... my shoulder doesn't like me. The leftover 185 grain TTSXes went roughly MOA Couple squirrels came up on the berm and I whopped them. Got complete penetration. It's time to move on. It's sighted in for the 185s and I have 12 shells left, good enough to kill something while I'm trying to figure out what the plan is. Probably nothing 'til after Christmas. Any Bolt Action rifle that shoots 3 MOA has something wrong with it. The last time I saw something like that was a guy at the local range with a SAKO in .300 Win Mag and the culprit ended up being an extremely small burr on the muzzle. A simply twist with a case deburing tool turned the same rifle into a .7MOA SAKO which is to be expected. The issue will likely be crown, bedding, loose scope mount, scope, stock or shooter. The last thing I would blame is ammo because it is extemely hard to make bad ammo when all those bullets have been tried. It is most likely mechanical. JW
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7 Rem Mag... That'd be most likely, yep! And leave the .325 Montana alone... find out soon here...
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Sorry I missed your post. I was up crushing rock way out there with a outdated 7mm.
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Why wouldn't a 185 cruising at 3000fps+ kill a bull? I would have no problem shooting an elk with that rig. BC's don't come into play until way down range anyway. If a 30'06 lobbing 180's will flatten elk, a 338 will do the same.
That being said, what is your barrel twist rate? Sounds like you have a slow twist or something...
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I'm hunting in a funny spot, ranges are either real long or pretty short, not much chance of a shot at middle distance short of illegally shooting one right in the road.
It's big canyons with heavy timber and a few clearcuts which have grown up a lot. You'll be limited to seeing about 15 to about 75 yards in either the timber or the clearcuts. The reprod is 30 feet high and thick. The timber might be a hair more open than the old clearcuts. The other kind of shots are long: you can sometimes see down on top of those clearcuts into the holes in the reprod from above on the opposite side of the canyon; that shooting starts at about 400 yards and goes to goofy distances.
Whoever said if the 7mm mag and .45-70 (specialists for each kind of shooting) had a kid, it'd be called the .338 must have hunted here. My computation of ideal is a .338 with 225 grain accubonds. Unfortunately, after shooting up probably 10 boxes of them, I just can't get the accuracy I want. Flat based .338 bullets won't hold enough V to expand for the cross canyon type of shots. Lesser boat tailed .338 bullets probably won't hang together at full speed at in-the-timber distances. It's really a lot to ask of one gun, I know.
Anyways, I wouldn't pick an '06 with 180s here. That's better than not hunting at all, but it's far from ideal. If it were more traditional semi-open elk country where the shots came at 75 to 300 yards, that'd be a different story.
Twist ... yeah, I wondered about that. Checked, confirmed, it's a 1-10".
's ok, I'm past it, moving on, figuring out what to do next. I've literally shot more $$ worth of powder and bullets down the barrel than I put into the Lilja barrel it's installation, possibly could add the cost of finishing that Bansner stock blank, too and come in under the $$ that went into powder and bullets. I'm used up and worn out.
Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip.
Here be dragons ...
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But like a punch-drunk boxer.... ready to out swinging on another build, right?
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I'm hunting in a funny spot, ranges are either real long or pretty short, not much chance of a shot at middle distance short of illegally shooting one right in the road.
It's big canyons with heavy timber and a few clearcuts which have grown up a lot. You'll be limited to seeing about 15 to about 75 yards in either the timber or the clearcuts. The reprod is 30 feet high and thick. The timber might be a hair more open than the old clearcuts. The other kind of shots are long: you can sometimes see down on top of those clearcuts into the holes in the reprod from above on the opposite side of the canyon; that shooting starts at about 400 yards and goes to goofy distances.
Whoever said if the 7mm mag and .45-70 (specialists for each kind of shooting) had a kid, it'd be called the .338 must have hunted here. My computation of ideal is a .338 with 225 grain accubonds. Unfortunately, after shooting up probably 10 boxes of them, I just can't get the accuracy I want. Flat based .338 bullets won't hold enough V to expand for the cross canyon type of shots. Lesser boat tailed .338 bullets probably won't hang together at full speed at in-the-timber distances. It's really a lot to ask of one gun, I know.
Anyways, I wouldn't pick an '06 with 180s here. That's better than not hunting at all, but it's far from ideal. If it were more traditional semi-open elk country where the shots came at 75 to 300 yards, that'd be a different story.
Twist ... yeah, I wondered about that. Checked, confirmed, it's a 1-10".
's ok, I'm past it, moving on, figuring out what to do next. I've literally shot more $$ worth of powder and bullets down the barrel than I put into the Lilja barrel it's installation, possibly could add the cost of finishing that Bansner stock blank, too and come in under the $$ that went into powder and bullets. I'm used up and worn out. TOM, I've got a question: Have you tried the 250 gr sierra? They work exceptionally well in my 338 and I also know where you are coming from in your description of where you hunt. I also hunt there. So I can say "been there and done that". A lot of guys around here use the same combo I do as far as load goes. Good ol IMR 4350 (67-70 grains) with the 250 sierra and it gets the job done close or far, bsa.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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BSA -
Thanks. I probably should try, but I've passed my give-up point. For now, I'm defeated. I truly don't care if this gun works or not. Maybe if I haven't "offed" it in 6 months or so, I'll come back and try again.
Jeff -
Not right now. I don't have any enthusiasm for any of the options. I drained the tank fighting this .338.
Tom
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I just got finished turning a .22mag that shot 4 inch groups at 100 yards into a rifle shooting 1.5-MOA with a 7mph wind blowing. Also took an older Savage a friend of mine owns and it shot 3-inch groups also at the bench. He had been using it for whitetail deer for over 12 years, shooting factory Rem. Core-Lokts.
Now after I free floated the barrel, removing wood from the stock that was touching the barrel and bedded the action, this rifle with my reloads shoots less than 1.4 inch groups at 100 yards. We chanaged scope mounts to a one piece and reset the scope on top (old Redfield) with a new Bushnell 3200 series 3 X 9 power, this rifle now shoots .990-MOA from te bench.
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