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Swampy,
Thanks!--both for the compliment and the quotes.
I have used the .375 myself a lot, on animals from small African antelope to Cape buffalo and American bison. It's a great round and I will probably never be without one.
That said, one of the reasons for the .375's popularity is simple longevity, especially in Alaska and Africa. And one of the reasons for its popularity in Africa is that it's the legal minimum for various kinds of big game in certain places.
But these days I find myself using my 9.3x62 in situations where I would have previously used the .375, or even the .338 Winchester Magnum. With modern powders and bullets, the 9.3 does the same things that the .338 and .375 do with 250-300 grain bullets, with somewhat less recoil--and that extra round or two in the magazine.
That just sounds like 9.3 BS. No?
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This is an interesting thread....I always thought of the 9.3 as just a metric Whelen,with the 375H&H being a lot more gun.But apparently,it's a good deal more than that....interesting info here.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Sort of like Goldylocks, one is too big, one is too small, one is just right...
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This is an interesting thread....I always thought of the 9.3 as just a metric Whelen,with the 375H&H being a lot more gun.But apparently,it's a good deal more than that....interesting info here. The 375 a lot more gun? Is the 280 a lot more gun than the 270?
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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This is an interesting thread....I always thought of the 9.3 as just a metric Whelen,with the 375H&H being a lot more gun.But apparently,it's a good deal more than that....interesting info here. The 375 a lot more gun? Is the 280 a lot more gun than the 270? No John I meant the 9.3 is a lot more than I thought it was.I did not write that post very well
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Just checking.......
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Sort of like Goldylocks, one is too big, one is too small, one is just right... Heard that recently.....
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Karnis,
The 9.3 BS is just like the 9.3x62--except for the extra round or two in the magazine.
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Bob,
The 9.3x62 has some slight ballistic advantages over the .35 Whelen that some people find useful.
It has about a 3-4% advantage in velocity when using the same bullet weights, due to the slightly larger powder space and bore diameter. This depends to a certain extent on magazine length. The standard 9.3x62 throat is very long, so a longer (say 3.6", like the one in my CZ) magazine allows for more powder space. This results in about a 100 fps advantage to the 9.3x62 when loaded to modern pressures of 60,000 psi.
Thus 250-grain bullets can be loaded to around 2650-2700 fps in the 9.3, which makes it the equal of the standard 250-grain factory load in the .338. When used with a ballistically efficient bullet like the 250 AccuBond, this turns the old round into a pretty long-ranged cartridge.
At the same time, there are a bunch of 286-grain bullets available in 9.3, most spitzers with pretty high BC's. The 286's can be started at 2500 fps or so at 60,000 psi. The standard 9.3 twist of 1-14 is plenty for stabilizing even the longest of these, such as the TSX.
Many if not most .35 Whelens have a 1-16 twist. This barely stabilizes a 250-grain spitzer, which is why very few manufacturers make bullets heavier than 250 grains in .35. Those that doairly blunt bullets, short enough to stabilize n a 1-16 twist. The 280-grain Swift A-Frame, for instance, is technically spitzer, but has a very blun, flat tip on the point which results in a rather low BC. Top velocity in the Whelen is also about 100 fps less than with 286's in the 9.3x62.
All of this is the typical rifle-loony minutiae-meandering, but it does add up to something near the .375 H&H, usually in a slimmer, lighter package. My own custom-stocked 9.3x62 weighs 8 pounds exactly with a 4x33 Leupold, and doesn't seem to kick as much as either a .338 or .375.
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John: Thanks for that explanation and it's helpful as I know little about the cartrsidge,except for its' extensive "African" experience. That is interesting and it sounds like lots of small things add up to give a very effective package. I might wanna try one of these.....sounds very cool!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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i've a SS M700 in a AK Ti stock (the one with the magnum barrel channel) that will be a 9.3X62 one of these days.
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a 9.3 mm NAB 250gr @ 2700fps sighted in for a zero at 219yds (200m) Goes like this:
2.29" hi at 100yds 0.0 at 219yds -6.19" at 300yds -19.49 at 400yds
3.56" hi at 100yds 3.44" at 200yds -2.37 at 300yds -14.4 at 400yds......2818 ft/lbs
For hunting big animals the 9.3 is not to bad in the ranging and power dept.
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FPS and Ft. lbs at 400 yds.
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according to the ballistic program on my Iphone 4 (Ballistic: Field tactical Edition) its 2253 fps and 2818 ft/lbs, this is at 53 degrees north,29.92 Hg,59F, and 78% humidity at an elevation of 2300feet =/-. The NAB 9.3 is listed as having a BC of 0.494
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according to the ballistic program on my Iphone 4 (Ballistic: Field tactical Edition) its 2253 fps and 2818 ft/lbs, this is at 53 degrees north,29.92 Hg,59F, and 78% humidity at an elevation of 2300feet =/-. The NAB 9.3 is listed as having a BC of 0.494 Now this must be "rifle-loony minutiae-meandering" on a master guild level
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http://www.biggameinfo.com/index.aspx?page=%2fbalcalc.ascx Muzzle -1.5 Infinity 2700 4047 96.43 0.000 0.0 NaN 1845 100 2.0 -8 2522 3530 90.06 0.115 0.7 3 1503 200 0.0 0 2351 3069 83.97 0.238 2.8 5 1219 300 -8.3 11 2188 2657 78.13 0.371 6.6 8 982 400 -23.9 23 2030 2288 72.50 0.513 12.1 12 784 500 -47.9 37 1879 1960 Was that 400 yds Furpick? Alt 1000, temp 59 above...???? Using 250gr or 286??? Computers - they don't get it - it's the bullets doing the killin' - not the numbers
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all this babble make it tough to wait for my 375 to get home from the smith.....she has gone in for liposuction.
I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
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Bob,
The 9.3x62 has some slight ballistic advantages over the .35 Whelen that some people find useful.
It has about a 3-4% advantage in velocity when using the same bullet weights, due to the slightly larger powder space and bore diameter. This depends to a certain extent on magazine length. The standard 9.3x62 throat is very long, so a longer (say 3.6", like the one in my CZ) magazine allows for more powder space. This results in about a 100 fps advantage to the 9.3x62 when loaded to modern pressures of 60,000 psi.
Thus 250-grain bullets can be loaded to around 2650-2700 fps in the 9.3, which makes it the equal of the standard 250-grain factory load in the .338. When used with a ballistically efficient bullet like the 250 AccuBond, this turns the old round into a pretty long-ranged cartridge.
At the same time, there are a bunch of 286-grain bullets available in 9.3, most spitzers with pretty high BC's. The 286's can be started at 2500 fps or so at 60,000 psi. The standard 9.3 twist of 1-14 is plenty for stabilizing even the longest of these, such as the TSX.
Many if not most .35 Whelens have a 1-16 twist. This barely stabilizes a 250-grain spitzer, which is why very few manufacturers make bullets heavier than 250 grains in .35. Those that doairly blunt bullets, short enough to stabilize n a 1-16 twist. The 280-grain Swift A-Frame, for instance, is technically spitzer, but has a very blun, flat tip on the point which results in a rather low BC. Top velocity in the Whelen is also about 100 fps less than with 286's in the 9.3x62.
All of this is the typical rifle-loony minutiae-meandering, but it does add up to something near the .375 H&H, usually in a slimmer, lighter package. My own custom-stocked 9.3x62 weighs 8 pounds exactly with a 4x33 Leupold, and doesn't seem to kick as much as either a .338 or .375. if you screwed a 9.3 x 62 barrel on a standard Ruger Hawkeye is the magazine long enough to use a 3.6 inch long loading? (maybe this is a question for another forum?)
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No, the Ruger magazine is around 3.4" long. This doesn't make all that much difference, however. Seating a 9.3mm bullet .2" further out gains about 50 fps.
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