Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire The US has passed the point of no return

It does seem a bit overwhelming at times.

It wouldn't take a full blown revolution just hang a few key players and the rest would immediately get religion.

These thugs are all cowards and can only hide behind beauracracy when it starts to get personal they'll run for cover like the rats they are.

It is the always weak that seek power and bonds for others.

I agree, I don't think the military would fire on their own.

However, I would want to be on the side of the people controlling those weapons, UNLESS they were the ones firing on their own.

A man and his rifle CAN win the day, but even back in Vietnam and Afghanistan, the technology wasn't what it was today. I don't know that those are valid comparisons anymore.

The best way that this would happen is if the military defected en masse and there either weren't enough trained people to use the weapons against us, so they were mothballed, or the military joined in.

The other issue to consider here is: What if China or Russia chose to help the existing government, because of all the money that is owed to them? That could get hairy. Maybe they would choose to help the revolutionaries, but I doubt it unless they thought that it was beneficial to their ends.

Remember, even the Minutemen had the support of France to help provide assistance.

I think this is why they have pulled some of the high profile stunts that they have pulled so far.

David Koresh, Ruby Ridge, etc. come to mind. Flex their nuts to scare people back into submission.

Unfortunately the US law enforcement others have been more than willing to participate in these "exercises."

Any sort of revolution would give them reason to impose martial law.
Hell most would clamor for something to be done to stop the violence.
I believe the military would mostly do their jobs.
Remember Kent state?

The Iraqis and Afghans seem to be doing okay against them so far, and have been for years. I 'spect American guerrillas could too. The US military is good at destroying small, high-value targets; it sucks at offense against a large, diffuse, thinly-distributed defense.

As for soldiers not firing on Americans, I think that's a forlorn hope. Yes, I know about the Oathkeepers and such; but when it comes time to sic the US military on the American citizenry, those people will be immediately discharged with extreme prejudice and replaced with gangbangers from the hood and all the other Francises from Stripes: "All I know is now finally I get to kill somebody."

'Can', yes, but in very limited circumstances.. But one man can be more easily isolated and overtaken. IMVHO opinion, a better strategy is to have four or five-man teams (ala SEALS) that can cover one another, spread out to flank attackers and provide different types of firepower..

But what the hell do I know.. I was in submarines..

Herein lies the issue though. The Iraqis, etc., for the most part don't live like we do.

When you're used to living in caves, you're harder to find than when you're used to living in the city.

How many of us are truly prepared to live like nomads to avoid the government troops? Especially in the dead of winter across most of the northern US?

Control the cities and a large portion of the population is locked up.

But cities can't survive without supplies; supplies have to come in from outside. Supplies coming in from outside, and the convoys that carry them, are vulnerable. Even city dwellers, subjected to the starvation and pestilence of a long-term siege, might find the intestinal fortitude to knock off a garrison soldier now and again.

Possibly, I'm just saying that a lot of people who think that the current government will go down like the British did are sorely mistaken.

If and when it happens, I don't think it will look ANYTHING like 1776.

For one thing, in 1776 we were still a colony. Makes it good and bad -- we can cut off the head so the body dies, right in DC, but that also means that everything they need to control us is right here too.

Everyone needs to make plans now. Join your lacal Alarm and Muster group. Prepare NOW for the upcoming events. Think about what you and your family will have to do and where you will go. Do you have enough supplies? Guns, ammo, food, medical supplies. Start stocking up on prescription meds. At lease three months supply. The same for food and water. Be prepared. It is coming!!

The 2012 election will be big. Mark the wrong candidates and beat them. The Tea Party was highly successful at dong this. Full conservative control of Congress is not out of the realm of possibility.

But will they be able to, or will they even TRY, to undo all of the damage that Obama has done?

True Tea Party style conservatives will. The current Repub establishment won't. I still find it amazing that so many real conservatives have been elected and also reveal how far off the mark Repub's have become.

Barak

When American forces over in the sand box are trying to limit civilian casualties, the insurgents can pick and choose when to engage.

As we saw in WWII, if America applies a full court press, civilians along with enemy combatants are just plowed under. There was no place to hide in Tokyo, or Hamburg.

My guess, just as with our first Civil War, .gov will stop at nothing to preserve their power.

Civilians in Hamburg (I don't recall any significant damage done to Tokyo--Doolittle's raid was largely symbolic) weren't exactly diffuse or thinly distributed. They were pretty thick on the ground.

How would you go about destroying the population of Afghanistan, for example? More than 99% of the energy you put into it would be wasted bouncing rocks.

But the US government, regardless of what it would like to do, or what it's capable of doing, can't afford to destroy a significant portion of its subjects or their infrastructure, because it depends on those subjects and that infrastructure for its own sustenance.

The danger is not from the military. Sure, the government will eventually use the military against its own subjects, because politicians are by and large stupid people. But the biggest key to survival for any government is its popular legitimacy, and using the military against the American people will cost the government far more in legitimacy than it could ever gain from such a use.

The danger is from the government intellectuals who will be constantly finding ways to absolve the government and convict its enemies in the eyes of the American people, maintaining its popular legitimacy.

For example, "Murdering unarmed journalists in Iraq was okay, because there were weapons in the vicinity." Or, "Wikileaks is bad because some of the information it might release at an indeterminate point in the future might be indirectly connected to the identification of some spies."

If liberty is ever to be regained, either the government intellectuals will have to be stopped (not likely) or a significant fraction of the people will have to become smart enough to see through their spin (also not likely).

Guns are great, but they won't end up preserving much liberty. No matter how grimly you cling to them, you'll die one day and your children, indoctrinated by government intellectuals in government schools, government media, and government-approved churches, will toddle down to the sheriff's office and sell them to a buy-back program. Or if your kids don't, their kids will. Because the popularly legitimate government told them that guns are bad and they believed it.

A smart man said years ago that not a dimes worth of difference between the 2 parties,fine example with the votes the last few days. Doom and Gloom!!

Barak, you make everybody out as mindless robots...I don't think they are, and those parents who "see" will also point out to their children the realities. People are beginning to wake up. The last election was a sort of wake-up call.

"...don't recall any significant damage done to Tokyo..." ????

Wow! Maybe 100,000 Japanese that were killed during ONE bomb raid with fire bombs would disagree with you!

Yes. And that very thing can be used against 'em in DC.. OTR trucking companies send their drivers and vehicles to DC, then just stop. Block all roads going in/out of the city.. A bunch more clog the runways.. No supplies coming in, nothing/nobody allowed out - starve the bastids outta the capitol..

It would require a huge organizational plan.. But it could work...