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When the chips are down, and given the option, any person with a lick of sense would toss that Glock in the trash and pick up the ol' Mossberg. Arbitrary measures of reliability don't trump reality.

Wow - this morphed into a "1911s suck" thread just as I expected.


Since we're citing articles without, um, citation - I'll add that I remember reading another article where they did just such a test between three different 1911s, and they did much better than you are claiming, Tonk. I'll see if I can find it...

Chuck also wrote this...

�If you�ve heard that Old Ugly is on the way out, you�d better look again, for such is simply untrue; quite the opposite. Everything it has had the capacity to do for the last eight and a half decades remains valid. It thus remains King Of The Hill and will likely continue to do so well into the next millennium. To produce a handgun with better or more practical capabilities will be difficult and perhaps impossible. And I, for one, feel that we can look forward to watching the M1911 continue to dominate the handgun world well into the foreseeable future.�

�So, is there really a "best" pistol? Technically, if we eliminate shooter skill from the equation, yes. When interviewed after the tests, all participants agreed that the big Colt Government .45 (SA) had the best all-around combination of power, "user-friendliness," accuracy and functional reliability, while the Glock M-22 .40 S&W ("semi"- DA) and LW Commander .45 (SA) tied for second. The Browning P-35 9mm (SA) was rated fourth and the Smith & Wesson M-39 9mm (DA) last.�

That one hit the BS meter so hard it bent the needle.

More interesting reading...

http://pistolsmith.com/pistolsmiths/3980-vickers-sand-test.html

And apparently, the torture test I remember reading is a reprint from Guns & Ammo that was included in The Complete Book of the Model 1911 by Patrick Sweeney. If I haven't thrown that one out, I'll post some of it - but it probably got lost in "the purge". Anyway, some 1911s survived mud buckets and truck tires pretty well, IIRC.

Hopefully anyone with sense would pick up a Remington 870 and leave the mossberg...

Dink

If someone would just invent the Glock 12 ga. all other shotguns would be obsolete.

He wrote a book II of that Title. I'm pretty sure I have both.

Have to agree with DINK on this one issue. Well, no. Someone with maximum sense would pick up an Ithaca Model 37 M&P. Best police/security pump shotgun ever made.

When I started in this department there were still a couple of the Ithaca 37's in inventory. I shot them a little and I would still take a 870 any day of the week.

Dink

JOG: I have been in many situations where the "chips are down" and UNFORTUNATELY I was never inside my gun vault where I could open up any safe and pick and choose from among many pistols, shotguns and Rifles at these times!
When the "chips were down" I was VERY happy to have my concealable, high capacity, night sighted, super reliable, accurate and QUICK to get into action GLOCK with me!
I think you are the one without a "lick of sense" - by the way!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

You mean like this

Why? Only one "hole" in the action, and that on the bottom where least likely to have dirt or debris fall in.

Interesting reading in the quote; not surprised the Glock didn't function, as overall, it's a pretty tight gun too.

Overall, I'd guess that dirt/mud conditions that make problems for a 1911, would for the most part make problems for the Glocks as well.

I've got 1911's & Glocks & both serve a purpose & I don't plan on immersing either in a bucket of mud or the bottom of a sand pit, so I won't be losing any sleep over how much dirt it takes to muck up either one.

[bleep] happens but you don't have to wallow in it.

MM

Neither will I.

The biggest reason is because when your going somewhere and you taking your shotgun its awful nice to see that round feed from the magazine to the chamber. I never have liked a gun that I could not see if there was one in the chamber.

Dink

That seems a reasonable concern, but not outweighed IMO by the anti-debris factor unless you've experienced failures to feed.

It is quite apparent that most of those posting have not been to the U-TUBE to see all those tests put on the GLOCK pistols.

Now big deal in my book, I know what is what and I sure as hell know what I carry regardless of some people just want to walk around blind as a bat.

I do love the .45acp but the 1911 model can NOT hold a candle to the GLOCK, H&K or even the newer XD's........its called technology gentlemen.

Now for some who insist that the pistols being carried by those in the 1960's were simply "wore-out" just don't really have a friggin clue. I was once shown a new issue model 1911 (3 to be exact) that came to our company Sgt. My Sgt refused the offer to carry one of those pistol because they were in fact not very damn accurate.

Now do you think for one friggin minute that the US Army was going to have people qualify with wore out pistols on the range? It strikes me as very ludicrous that the rifles that were being used every day during basic training were sure as hell NOT WORE OUT and those who fired still managed to score "EXPERT" on the range. Now JWP you can stick that BS flag right up your frigging rectum savvy!!!

YOu dumb azz you can stick up yours because that's were it belongs.

I guess that Sgt Alvin Yorks 1911 was so inacurate that the only reason that he killed 7 Germans with when thye charged his position is because he missed them and the inacurate bull missed his aim and killed them 1 shot each

You have just proved that cluelessness knows no bounds

Yea I think so. The one my Grandfather brought home form the war had no rifling's in the barrel. That's correct it was smooth as a babies bottom. I've been shooting 1911's for a long time and they are accurate and dependable SAVY