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Anyone out there playing with such an animal?
Currently playing with a fast twist 22.250, with 75 grain HPs..
Getting good velocity ( 3300 to 3350 fps) but am not quite seeing the accuracy I am looking for...
anyone else tried this and found something that worked well?
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I've been playing with a 8 twist douglas on a tikka action,shoots 80 smk and bergers real good out to 600.The 90 smk shot .4s at 100,haven't had the chance to go long yet.Using re-15 and h-4831 mostly,been expermenting with 7828ssc,looks promising.
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My Hornady reloading manual says that you need something below a 10 inch twist to shoot those heavier bullets. My new Savage model 12 only has the 1 in 12 twist, which is just fine for my sake. I don't really plan on using it for coyotes, just P-Dogs this spring.
If I need to hunt prong or coyotes etc, I'll use the .243 model 70 throwing those 75 grain bullets out the barrel. If that causes me a problem, then it is the 25/06 that will get the introduction to Mr. Yote.
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I spoke to several of the predator hunters from my gun club and their seems to be an agreement, that shooting those heavier weight bullets out of a fast 22-250 barrel has given them all a problem at one time or another.
Most stated that they could only get 3000 to 3100 fps shooting those 75 grain bullets upward out of their 1 in 8 or 1 in 9 twist barrels in the past. Now some of the figures I got were in the 1.25 up to 2 inch groups. Nobody said that they could break the 1-MOA barrier.
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No experiance witht he 22-250 but I have been playing with a couple 22x47s with fast twists. One has a 8T schillen and the other a 7.7T (may actually be a 7.5 too many guns) Kreiger. I had problems with the 90s out of the 8 twist but otherwise it is a great shooter. The 7.7 shoots the 90s very well. I have made several 1K plus hits on PDs with the 90s. I doubt there is much difference between the 22-250 and the 22x47 thaat would cause the 22-250 not to shoot with heavy bullets. Try some vv560 with the 80s
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read in varmint hunter mag where several lrpv savages were beating customs with 9 twist 22-250. i think varget and either a 75 or 80 grainer
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In my 1-8 twist Shilen 22-250 I am running 75 grain A-Max over 33 grains of Big Game.
Sorry, I haven't run them over a crony.
It was one of the first loads I tried with that bullet and I wasn't concerned with max speed, I wanted to fight the wind more effectively.
The powder meters like water, and I have a lot on hand for bigger calibers.
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I haven't any fast twist SAAMI 22-250's,but do hear good things about quick spin 22-250AI's....................
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Seafire, I'm burning H414 in my 9 twist AI with the 75 Amax. 3400 fps and it shoots great.
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I'm in '15 Mode and another 100fps. 7",7.7" and 9"..............
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I'm running an 8 twist with 75 grain Hornady Amax's. I have run it out to 1,000 yards. Fabulous round for long range playing. No accuracy problems at all. I have ran all kinds of heavy bullets out of it, even those dreaded X bullets. All shoot very well. Tonk's range buddies must be smoking dope. I haven't seen an inaccurate fast twist .22-250 or .223 yet. They are the meow. Flinch
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John, I'd EXPECT w/a good rifle, proper twist, that Amax's would shoot in any reasonable load.
.22-250 Remington (Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading 7th Edition)
Warning! Notes: rifle: Remington 700; barrel: 26 inch, 1 in 14 inch Twist; case: Hornady/Frontier; primer: Winchester WLR; bullet diameter: 0.224 inches; maximum C.O.L.: 2.350 inches; max. case length: 1.912 inches; case trim length: 1.902 inches
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS)
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP IMR IMR-4895 28.7 2,900
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP IMR IMR-4895 29.9 3,000
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP IMR IMR-4895 31.0 3,100
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP IMR IMR-4895 32.2 3,200
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP IMR IMR-4895 33.4 3,300
Remarks: maximum load
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Alliant RL-15 29.7 2,900
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Alliant RL-15 30.9 3,000
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Alliant RL-15 32.1 3,100
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Alliant RL-15 33.3 3,200
Remarks: maximum load
75 Hornady A-MaxHornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-4350 31.5 2,900
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-4350 32.9 3,000
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-4350 34.4 3,100
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-4350 35.8 3,200
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-4350 37.2 3,300
Remarks: maximum load
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Accurate AAC-4350 32.9 2,900
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Accurate AAC-4350 34.1 3,000
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Accurate AAC-4350 35.2 3,100
Remarks: maximum load
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-414 32.8 2,900
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-414 34.1 3,000
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-414 35.4 3,100
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-414 36.7 3,200
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Hodgdon H-414 38.1 3,300
Remarks: maximum load
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Vihtavuori VV-N160 32.8 2,900
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Vihtavuori VV-N160 34.2 3,000
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Vihtavuori VV-N160 35.7 3,100
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Vihtavuori VV-N160 37.1 3,200
Remarks: maximum load
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Accurate AAC-2700 33.7 2,900
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Accurate AAC-2700 35.3 3,000
75 Hornady A-Max or BTHP Accurate AAC-2700 36.9 3,100
Remarks: maximum load
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65BR,
Maybe I just don't know any better, but some of those appear to be smokin' loads.
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Yeah Cliff,
So far the best loads for accuracy have been with IMR 4064 and IMR 4895. Mine must be long throated... at the load of 33.3 grains of IMR 4895, I can seat a new bullet it in without even neck sizing.. I have moved up to 34 grains on the next load..
tested some out the back door to see if the load was safe and they took minimal to neck size for the next loadings....
my chronograph put the 33.3 loads at 3300 fps Plus...
what published and what I find in my rifle, are not the same at all...some loads are optimistic, and others are not max in my rifle at all...
So far I am playing with the 75 grain HP, instead of the A Max..
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Ringman, it was on load data, I'd have to pull it up to get anymore info not listed above on it, but as always - published loads from any source - it's wise to back off some and work up for each specific rifle.
No experience w/heavies in 22-250s, but I trust John will work out his rifle and get some well tuned loads and hopefully report back.
Merry Christmas John and all.
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1-7" ROT will handle the SHPBT in 80 gr. real well! Got a Douglas premium in 26" on a R700 action and on any given day it'll poke 5 rounds inside the large end of a styro-foam coffee cup! Good enough for me!
Oh...I forgot to say that the 'coffee cup' groups are from 800 yards!
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A buddy of mine had Lilja build him a fast-twist .22-250 back when the 80 gr Sierra MK was pretty new, mid 1990's. He dialed that puppy in and used it to good effect in several longish range tactical/practical matches. Doggone if I know what his load was, but it worked very well even out at 700 yards.
I was running an accurate but slow .308 Win load at the time and it was very interesting seeing the differences in elevation & windage between them.
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75 hps, if hornady anyway, just don't deal well with pressure, even maxed out in 223, they sucked for us. Move to the 75 amax and all was well in 223.... BUT the lots varied enough there that I simply don't trust amax for all around accuracy. Hornady replaced probably close to 7500 bullets for us in total over a year or so.... I used to have the OAL of the good ones and the bad ones... forming die issues...
Anyway I'd run 80 smks personally if looking for something good and reliable, but for best drift issues I'd run 80 jlks. Assuming you can't stabilize 90 jlks. 90s in sierra and berger are not good enough to better an 80 jlk IMHO. I don't go to other than JLK for 90s though I would have went to wildcats.....
I"ve only shot head shots with 22-250 and 80 smks... they all worked fine...
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I've never not seen the 75A-Max dazzle in a boltgun..............
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