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proven gear trumps all.
If you get the Kimber, get it soon - to get any quirks known and worked out.
Personally - I would go with the "old glove I know that fits my hand..."
cmg; If I'm allowed, I'll add only a hearty "amen" to what you've written - amen and then some. All the best to you and yours in 2011 cmg. Regards, Dwayne
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I would not knock overpenetration. It's a good thing. Mike, I just had to twist your tail a bit. You know how it is.
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What caliber rifle do you plan on using? The 225 grain TTSX 338 bullet has a BC of .514 and will expand down to 1400 FPS according to Barnes. The minimum velocity is not the same for all TTSX or TSX bullets.
The TTSX wil not expand any more than will the TSX bullet IME
Was thinking of using a 300WSM in a Kimber Montana, but I dont even have the rifle yet. If i cant get comfortable with using the 300 WSM or the TTSX bullet on big moose, I'll simply go back to using one of my 338's or 340's. I think the 300 WSM would be a better choice for sheep, because of the type of up-hill prone shots normall to sheep hunting and the somewhat light RELATIVE recoil from the 300 WSM. I dont know that I've ever fired my light 340 at an up-hill angle prone. Fired it prone many times at game 400 to 550 yards, but never up-hill and I think it could get uncomfortable. I have some .308 cal. TTSX bullets sitting here in 168gr. and 180gr. The 300 WSM would work like a champ. When I lived in Alaska the 30-06 was and I expect still is popular and used a lot on Moose. The 300 WSM is more of the same. I have seen recovered TSx bullet and TTSX bullets from game and they look the same I'd not hesitate to use the 300 WSM with a TTSX bullet
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I would not knock overpenetration. It's a good thing. Mike, I just had to twist your tail a bit. You know how it is. I do indeed, dude. ....and keep your hands to yourself!
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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Better BC ? as compared to one gnats a$$ against another Enhanced initiation of penetration? debatable/sales gimmick possible!! Actual difference in the field...NONE
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I would use the 168 TTSX you will have plenty of penetration and more than likely it will not stay in the sheep or moose,accuracy is great in the right rifle,the perfect bullet for a combo hunt!
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I have seen the TTSX knock animals on their ass from Coues deer (about 100 lbs) to Red Hartebeast (I am nor sure of weight, 600 lbs?) I know that is not a Moose but it has worked perfectly on both and an array of animals in between!
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Flem -
true enough on the BC.
Barnes measured the working impact vel, though. So there is one notable difference. Granted, will mostly only be relevant at "ways, ways out there" and still depend on other factors.
So - for most practical porposes - I am right with you on that.
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Don't take that as a SmartA$$ remark was just tryin to livin things up a bit.. I think you're right any difference at all would occur way way out there !!!
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It's a shame a .270 with NPts won't work in Alaska as that would solve all your problems.
BTW I've shot more sheep at a down or level situation than up. I imagine that's true of most sheep hunters.
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I use the 168 gr in my 30-06'...BLR makes for a smooth action and and a full freezer.......
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Most welcome. Anytime.
Just read your statement on rifle options -
proven gear trumps all.
If you get the Kimber, get it soon - to get any quirks known and worked out.
Personally - I would go with the "old glove I know that fits my hand..." That is great advice and I agree. If this was going to be a one-time sheep hunt, I would simply use one of my 338's, but I plan to start doing a lot of sheep/goat hunting, so I'm not afraid to start using a rifle specifically for that, but if I want it to double as a moose or grizzly cartridge, it will do that too. I already have a number of lightweight 30's and 7mm's, they are mostly built on Rem. 700 actions and if I'm going into wilderness and cant take a back-up rifle, I like the Kimber action. I'll have the new Kimber next week and if I can get it to shoot the way I want it to, I'll spring bear hunt two states with it and probably put a couple hundred practice rounds through it before I trust it enough to take it on this hunt.
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Jack Atcheson used his .338 for all of his North country hunting including sheep numerous times and was quite happy with it. Something to consider.
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I'm not gambling a month of my time and $40,000.00 dollars on a bullet I don't know a little bit more about. Tell the truth.. Did you really want to hear about bullet performance, or just want to let us know what hunts you were doing, and how much they cost?
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I think you are onto something. It may not be that but there's something queer here.
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One month off and $40k to spend would be one helluva a good time!
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One month off and $40k to spend would be one helluva a good time!
I could think of worse ways to spend my time, yes.
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The $40K is the easy part, eh?
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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The $40K is the easy part, eh? I wish! I think that is part of the reason I haven't done any real fancy hunts, Mike. Heck, my vacation to Germany/Switzerland cost me about $5K all up and I didn't really skimp-I can barely do a guided elk hunt for that amount in Idaho,and I am not talking a real fancy hunt, either. But yes, getting 1 month off of work in one stint would be about impossible for me at this point.
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