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Dinkus - in the vast majority of the worlds nations, no one "uses" a handgun (legally) unless it was issued to them.

You and me both my friend.

I'm guessing the price goes up, eh?

International travel with a bodyguard is very expensive, and the logistics behind it are a straight up pain in the rear; I really don't like doing it becuse it's so problematic. But there are times it just has to be done, and for those times, if you can afford a bodyguard, you can afford to pay a whole lot more to go international.

Any time you go international one of the biggest expenses is "renting" local LE. Sometimes they�ll let you carry along with them (that�s when you find them just handing you a gun), but often they won�t allow you to carry, and you have to pay for an off duty cop. There are some real advantages to having an off duty cop(s). First off, if by some strange chance there IS shooting, let them do the shooting; WAY less paperwork that way. Cops can make harassing people go away by threatening to arrest. Cops can often grease the skids for the little things you didn�t think about or inconveniences you didn�t even know exist. Depending on where you are, they can save you in bribe money by using their authority to make things happen (and sometimes not). The real down side is, cops are NOT trained properly in executive protection, where most responses to a critical situation from a bodyguard are the exact opposite of what a cop is trained to do. This is why, you as the bodyguard are still right there with your protectee whether you have local talent or not. And sometimes the �local talent� can lack a whole lot of talent and make things a mess, and by doing so, make you look very bad in front of your client, and by that time, it�s too late. I could go on and on, but to your remark; yeah, it gets REALLY expensive.

Good point. I did not think about that.

I googled the most issued handgun when kevin posted it was the high power. Some where along the lines it said that since 2002 the Beretta 92 series was the most issued handgun in the world.

I would post a link for you but I can't get it to post for some reason.

Dink

This should make things interesting...





CATO Institute

While I'm sure the Beretta is out-selling the Hi Power in military and LE circles, if they are insinuating that as of 2002 there are more Beretta 92's out there than Hi Power's, I would have to say your source is probably wrong. I won't take such a statement from ANYONE without hard numbers backing that up. I don't care who wrote it, or how great of a gun writer or whatever; that's a very hard statement to swallow without very strong evidence to back it up. It could be who knows, but I find it highly unlikely that the 92 which has been in production nearly 50 fewer years than the Hi Power, has surpassed the Hi Power. With over 90 nations using the Hi Power, and then consider it was used on all sides of WW II which generated some huge numbers right there. It's just highly unlikely the Beretta could even catch, let alone surpass Hi Power production numbers.

In fact, I really doubt there has ever been a pistol made in greater numbers, and I'm talking since the creation of the pistol. I believe the Hi Power has the greates numbers in the entire history of the handgun. It's kinda, the AK of handguns.

Yeah, that's the internet talking. I've never shot a bone stock series 70 1911.......

Expat

I have heard that the AK-47 now outnumbers the 30-30 lever guns in this country? Who knows for sure?

I find that hard to swallow; I'd be surprised if AK's in the US have reached the million mark. Winchester built 7 million model 94's and If I had to guess, Marlin is probably approaching 6 million for the 336. Now not all of those stayed in the US, but an easy 80% did, so that's a LOT of .30-30's.

A company I worked for in the '80's imported a bunch of Chinese AK's; we pretty much put Clayco out of business by under-cutting them by a good 50%. I import stamped a ton of AK's but I doubt it was more than 50,000. Now we have Century churning them out, and I'll bet they haven't sold more than about 100k at the most.

Yeah, there are a lot of them out there, could hit the one million mark, but my guess is the AK is a LONG way from .30-30 numbers.

had some people over for dinner tonight and the discussion of glocks came up, as in kaboom.
They were at a local range today and it let go.
I don't know a lot of the details, but it was a .40s&w, was most likely a reload, and the case separated.
This led to a LONG discussion of the deficiencies of glocks.
i might add, they said it did destroy the frame

Case failures will almost always result in the destruction of the frame of most any pistol. The gas will travel in the path of least resistance, which is down the magazine well, which often leads to a bulged frame at the mag well. In the case of the polymer guns, the frames break instead of bulge.

If I had to guess, a catastrophic failure in a Glock .40...90% or better chance it was a reloaded cartridge, and a perhaps a lead bullet also.

With the lack of support in the Glock .40 chamber, the Glock relies heavily on the strength of the case. Reloaded cases are weaker than brand new cases, just the way it is. And if that reloaded case was first fired in a Glock, then it was worked more than if it was fired in another pistol, making the case even weaker.

Glock is the one pistol where when it says don't use reloads, you'd better damn well listen to what the manufacturer says.

If you do listen to the manufacturer, then chances are, you'll enjoy your Glock a long time.

If by chance you do discover the details, we'd love to hear.

Lol. Hilarious.

To be clear, IMO (and we all know about opinions..) this thread, or the result, is the EXACT reason the author asked the question. Though not all, some Glock owners make valid, logical points here. Which I am sure they could make for any of their choices. But reading through some of the other "examples" I notice an occasional rise in blood pressure. (As they valiantly defend their 'precious.' ) Hilarious.

To those devout Glockers, I say: Good. Buy another Glock. Then the stores would have more room for other handguns. Lol

Skivvy - gotta give ya kudos for reading the whole thread.....and welcome to the fire!

I like the 9mm a lot in the Glock, the .45 cal in the 1911, and the .40 in most of nothing! When the Glock was first introduced it was totally unlike anything that went before it. A new paradigm if you will. Revolvers, Glocks, 1911's all have their place. A Double Action then Single Pistol is an abortion. I like the 9mm Glocks because mine have been very reliable and have required little care to make them so.

Kevin, I read several times from credable sources that the new Glock 40 barrels have much better support than the older ones. Can you post some photos of a Glock 40 barrel and another manufactures barrel to show us how much less the Glock barrel supports the case? Do you think it is safe to reload 40s in any semi auto? Thanks!

KuduBull,

I don�t own any Glocks, so I can�t provide you the photos you request. I�d recommend you check out Dean Spier�s website www.thegunzone.com Nose around there and I�m betting you�ll find some comparison photos.

Yeah, I think the .40 is safe to handload, since it�s done every day with great success.