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Well, Professor... educate us.

What were the root causes, then?

It was economic, period. The north used tariff's and other economic weapons and the south responded by succeeding from the union. Lincoln could not have that and declared (basically) the Constitution null & void with his "Union at all costs" even though it WAS legal for the states involved to leave the union.

We might start with the fact that 25% of the Southern population was being bought and sold by the other 75%, and forced to labor for the profit of others in addition to having all family ties severed at whim when it served that profit.

Then we could move on to how the Confederate Constitution was specifically written to preserve that practice, and how a majority of the Southern commentators on the scene thought slavery was the root cause.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76

The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right.

We should probably throw in the brutal suppression of any form of dissent across the South in those years, up to and including summary hanging.

...and the fact that the Confederate war effort was constantly hampered by individual Confed States acting in their own interest rather than "the cause".

Birdwatcher

He can't...

What exactly is VA rewriting/revising?

Birdwatcher is doing a good job. Sit back and watch - or go back to your history books of course.

We have old family correspondence that easily refutes the lies told by Iowa State University professors and their ilk. Ours was a family that was split by the Civil War so the issues then are well documented in our old family letters. I hate liars. Have no use for them....

Seeing all these eyewtness reports helps one to understand the cause of the war.............toilet paper.

Sounds like you sent her on the right course, Les.
I hope you can record the call from the teacher so we all can enjoy!

The comment about Lincoln being a white supremacist is spot on. He wanted to abolish slavery, with the intention of sending all blacks to Liberia. He did not want them in the same society as whites - not as slaves but not as freemen either.

Slavery was a dying institution in the developed world at that time, it would have died a natural death in the U.S. anyway.

And since the constitution allowed for state secession, "fighting to preserve the Union" was unconstitutional. That's why the previous president what's-his-name DIDN'T attack the South.

okie, you must have a hell of a time looking in the mirror.

chock full of pithy statements aren't you.


Seriously, why don't you put the issue in your own words, rather than poking at folks, and then, perhaps, an intelligent discussion could follow.

Passing the torch to birdwatcher doesn't count. If you're going to disparate folks for their view, have the common courtesy to state yours.

Or, optionally, STFU.

Lincoln thought the same way and said so in many a speech. Lincoln had no intentions of freeing any slaves. Lincoln believed in white supremacy.

There would have been a civil war even if there had been no slavery. Read up on the Civil War of 1812. The civil war that preceded the civil war of 1860.

Have any proof of this. I wasn't there at the time, so I'm interested to see some proof.

"History is a group of lies agreed upon." Napoleon

Yup. Terry is right as usual.

Yup. Terry is right as usual.

Yeah, but he was there. Just funnin Terry...give us a grin.

Just do a Google search you'll find what you need. Also check out Amazon and Barnes and Nobel for books on Lincoln. I have a couple of books but they are to hard to get to.

The information is out there all you have to is let it in.