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Minox binos are made in Japan - no secret here, though, since me, as the first gun scribe at all, wrote on it.

Concerning Kahles: afaik all "Kahles" branded instruments are produced in Vienna Austria

Regards
RD

Roe Deer,

Re: the J.P. Sauer stalking rifle I mentioned in a previous post. (6.5x58R Sauer)

Would you have any knowledge of said rifle? My research has netted me exactly zero. Since this thread started, I happened over there the other day and looked again at it. It has been on the rack for more than two years that I know of. I believe it can be bought for about $1000 US. It is very light and trim. It has bases for a claw mount scope on it, as well. If I knew a bit more about it, I'd be alot more interested in it.

COTW puts the performance of the 6.5x58R Sauer on a par with the .25-35 Win. Kind of light for deer, but would work well for Turkey with cast bullets where legal. Or, for just general plinking.... TIA...the9.3Guy

Oh, just go get it. Then you can tell us about how darn well it handles, that it shoots even better, that it kills everything up to decent elk like lightning, and that you wish you'd bought it earlier.

The darn thing's got you bit, 9-3, just admit it and get it. The only way to get past it is to have it and continue to love it or to get it, find out she ain't the girl of your dreams and pass her on.

Just be kind enough to share the first field/range report, will ya'?

9 3Guy--

The 6.5x58R was/is a Danish target round made by necking down the 8mm Model 89 militry round. A 140-grainer should hit around 2500 fps or so, not a screamer especially by today's standards but certainly a mild and adequate deer round. Obsolete 8x58R Norma Danish Krag cases can be necked down and I believe there are still factory loads availabe by one of the European makers. It's probably in the same ball park as the mild, domestic factory loaded 6.5x55 Swedish. It is definitely ahead of the 25-35; you might want to check more into the ammo availability situation but that might be one fun little gun and classy too.

George

Whoops! Sorry. The 6.5x58 Sauer is a different animal and you're right; it's a rung under the 25-35 in power and is a long tapered cartridge kind of a long, very skinny .375 H&H.

George

George,

I believe that Bertram makes brass for it. If not, they can be formed from 9.3x72R. If I had to buy custom dies, I wouldn't even consider it, but since I already have dies and bullets, And even a couple of 6.5 bullet moulds, it has me thinking..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> (Which is never a good thing...) ...the9.3Guy

1000 US is a fair price for a "Kipplaufb�chse" like this. The 6,5x58 R is a rimmed ctg derived from the British/German 360 "Express" cases of the 1880's. Ammo was produced until 1940. Cases are easily reformed from new RWS 9,3x72 R.
I have been loading it to 765 m/s - 6,5 g and 685 m/s - 7,8 g within the official - low - pressure limit (2800 bar).
Bear in mind this is a 6,40/6,64 mm caliber - not a "true" 6,5 ctg. (.264" bullets are much to thick!). Accuracy with (too small) .257" bullets was pretty fair in some rifles, though. Some Kraut bullet makers have bullets of correct diameter but better slug your barrel because rifles before 1939 are not "standardized".
If you want to fix a scope, one drawback of this offer is the only partially existent claw mount, because it is all hand fitted - you can't buy standardized parts. You could try to remove the dovetail scope bases and replace it with some hand fitted lower parts of US standard mounts.
Regards
RD

Grasshopper,

I think I know the gun you are talking about. I have been looking at that rifle for 2 years also. I have no hope of getting it, and even if I did I could never feed it. But, I do love to hold it. It would be a joy to carry and it seems to jump to your sholder, with the sights lined up every time. I have even mounted it with my eyes closed and when I opened them the front sight was snug in the back sight. I have thought of meassuring the LOP and the drop to keep for when I can afford my dream gun.

I did however find 2 cheap american stalking rifles that I might get to try and turn into a poor mans version of that gun. They are savage 219s in 30-30. With better sights and a scope base added, and a trigger job, and a reblue, and some stock work, it might fool me untill I can afford one as classy as the one you talk about.

P.S. Where abouts mid michigan? I'm in Ann Arbor untill this house sells and then moving back to Traverse City. Right now my job is driving around the state to all the county courthouses, what my boss dosen't know is that what I really do is drive around the state to all the gun shops I can find. If you ever get up to Alpena there is another "Bob's" there that is also a good shop. It is one of those that has old stuff everywhere. Like a box of old Weavers and tang sights still in the origanal box. Lots of fun to just poke around.

Anyhow let us know if you get the gun, I know I've been dying to know how it shoots for 2 years.

Photog

Photog, some Savage 219 30-30 rifles have been rechambered to .30-40 Krag, with the 26" standard barrel this would be about as powerful as the usual .308 WCF. I have no idea of the safety of this conversion but it has apparently been done OK.