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I see what you're saying and understand the appeal for MOA turrets. I've loaded ammo and messed with guns for the better part of 50 yrs, (old fart syndrome) but am relatively new at this turret business. I guess I'm looking for a simplistic solution, but
think I need to study the MOA concept a bit more. Lots of info on the Forum.
Thanks,
DF The hardest part for you,is gonna be to refrain beating yourself up,for coming to the party late...but better late than never. Here's an M1 scale,which is .25 graduated,60 of those graduations to a revolution,for a 15MOA shift per complete revolution. ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BigStick/Stuff/Rifle%20Stuff/M3M1compare.jpg) Go to JBM,punch in your favorite load,factor drop in MOA and simply dope erector in conjunction...from your favorite existing zero. Nuttin' to it...................
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My bad... I thought thats what i saw in the pictures. Must be the lens cap.
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He didn't say that wasn't in the picture, just that it's not what you want.
Formula: regular 6x42 + regular duplex + M1 elevation turret
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No I've A/O on lotsa schit,but you don't wanna go there.(grin)
I much prefer non-A/O...if only because I schlep 'em all.
Hint.................
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.33 MOA per would be better.......
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Only if you couldn't see the MOA scale................(grin)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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The new Swaro Z5 has something like .36 MOA graduations. I guess it correlates to some metric value, not sure why they didn't go with .25 MOA, like some of their other products.
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.36 is 1/10 mil..................
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Compelling stuff, 4.5-40 on a muzzleloader.
I am a handicapped hunter, and I strictly hunt from a fixed position. And I do have a couple of good quality fixed 6X scopes. But what is wrong with a 14X scope on a MZ built to shoot to 300 yards or better?? I pick out the deer I want to shoot. And I know a 6X will do fine on a deer at 300 or 400 yards. But where I hunt we have alot of small bucks. Lot of small spike bucks. And many times in a hunting situation it is difficult to pick out the small spikes with a 14X scope. And it is close to impossible to pick out those small horns with a straight six. So yes a 14X power scope is needed at times with certain types of hunting. I like to make sure the deer is not a small buck. To be sure it is not a smaller young deer, but a yearling doe. These things can not be determined with a fixed 4X or 6X. I guess I am just not as good as some of you other guys, so I will take the little extra help that extra magnification allows. After all what can it really hurt for a fixed position handicapped hunter?? Tom.
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OK, so you've decided on a 4.5-14X VX3. So the question is do you want or should you buy an AO version ?
I don't care for them on a big game scope. They have a reduced depth of focus for one. On a big game scope, that is used for all reasonable ranges, that's a hinderance. I don't want to be presented with a shot with little time to make it and a less than sharp image.
Now, if you are shooting small varmits, it would be worth it because they allow you remove the parallax present at a given range.
I'm another who doesn't like the eye box characteristics of that scope. I'd far rather have a 3.5-10X40. A scope is suppose to make tough shots easier not harder as scopes with little eye box do.
I have done quite a bit of hunting in very open country. By the time a 6X runs out of the necessary magnification to see a big game animal clearly, things like wind drift have long since become much more of a problem. E
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Thank you for your input. Are you saying that the parallax adjustment isnt necessary for big game at long ranges? That was my sole purpose of having this option on my scope.
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If it were me I would not buy a 4.5x14x40 with out a AO. I have looked through a couple with a AO and at 14x they seem blurry to me.
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It's a requisite above 10x..................
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6x at 400 yards is nothing I can like compared to 14x You must be using that 6x wrong.. Steelhead says - "I've run 6x scopes to 1,100 or so yards and could still hit/see softball size rocks."A regulation sized softball is about 4" in diameter. Seeing as how a standard Plex reticle on a 3.5-10 has about 11" of coverage at that distance, he is guessing pretty good where those softballs are hidden behind that big black cross!!! 
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Yeh, I would love to see consistent hits with 6x on 1000 + yard targets the size of softballs... A couple local guys that hold multiple world records at 1000 yards are using 32x and more. There is no advantage of using less magnification at long range period.. Ok, Ok.. Basketballs at 1,100 yards with a 6x... Duck soup...  Maybe a beach ball..
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6x at 400 yards is nothing I can like compared to 14x You must be using that 6x wrong.. Steelhead says - "I've run 6x scopes to 1,100 or so yards and could still hit/see softball size rocks."A regulation sized softball is about 4" in diameter. Seeing as how a standard Plex reticle on a 3.5-10 has about 11" of coverage at that distance, he is guessing pretty good where those softballs are hidden behind that big black cross!!! My CPC Dots don't subtend that. ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BigStick/Stuff/Rifle%20Stuff/IMG_8181.jpg) Your Imagination is taking you places again...................
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6x at 400 yards is nothing I can like compared to 14x You must be using that 6x wrong.. Steelhead says - "I've run 6x scopes to 1,100 or so yards and could still hit/see softball size rocks."A regulation sized softball is about 4" in diameter. Seeing as how a standard Plex reticle on a 3.5-10 has about 11" of coverage at that distance, he is guessing pretty good where those softballs are hidden behind that big black cross!!! LOL. https://www2.leupold.com/resources/downloads/2010_Optics_Catalog.pdfPg. 51 3.5-10 = Thin section - duplex = 0.2" at 100 yds Thick " " = 0.7" 11 x .2 = 2.2" at 1,100 yds.......6x is .4 - so it would be 4.4 at 1100..
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