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I didnt want to start this post because we get this stuff all the time but is was surprising to me that nobody helped out. The guy stole her baton and was beating her head and caused an 8" gash to her head and another on her face. he clearly intended to take her life. There were over 20 eye witnesses and some are men. I cant see how at least one of them couldnt have thrown hot coffee or a chair or something at him. The girl that grabbed the guys arm pretty much saved her life. its sad that out of all the people around it took a small woman to help her out. anyway...thanks for the replies.

That makes it easy, I'd have shot that SOB stone-cold dead...without saying a word.

Unfortunately it's not surprising that nobody jumped in. Unlike most of us here that shoot, hunt and are outdoorsman we have life experiences and firm convictions. If I have learned anything about those of us on this board, lord do we have firm convictions. With that in mind I have no doubt that most of us would have jumped in, but we are no longer as common amongst the public these days as we once were.

I witnessed this first hand when I was in a terrible car wreck where I was the only survivor out of four. I was the one that kicked out the passenger side door to get out of my smashed truck. I was the one that began rendering first aid to the other driver. I was the one that called for help. Ripping the phone from someone's hands that was telling his friend or wife what he was witnessing from 30 yards away. 20 people watched as I rendered first aid with blood gushing from my knee's and head, broken ribs, sternum and 90% of the muscles in my back torn and ripped. No one got any closer then 30 yards. The other driver had blown through a Stop Sign that crossed the Highway in front of me. There was no time to stop my F-250 at 55 MPH to avoid hitting her Ford Escort Wagon. The first help to arrive came 20 minutes later and I was still performing CPR by myself.

How would I have responded to the IHOP incident a Contact shot to the head if I could at an upward angle. I boot to the face and a gun screwed in his ear if I couldn't. Sorry for the tangent, but can't stand in-action by folks when someones life is in the balance.

It's hard to post to threads premised on abstract principles and/or missing a lot of details. At issue is whether the victim is in reasonable fear of dying or sustaining serious bodily harm, or whether it appears evident to a reasonable bystander that the victim is reasonably likely to be killed or sustain serious bodily injury. You just threw in a huge set of facts that weighs in favor of the use of deadly defensive force by the victim or a bystander. These facts also are the type that tend to scare the average citizen from jumping into the fray.

OMG!

We can look at all the stuff posted on YouTube these days. People are more interested in getting their 5 minute cell phone video clip than calling for help, much less actually helping!

Thinking about carrying a walking stick with me in public.

About the size of a short pool cue, and abundantly impact-resistant.

- Tom

in texas, i believe it is completely legal to use deadly force to stop a felony in the process. striking a police officer is a felony in texas. i believe i would have drawn my handgun and taken control of the situation, then allowed the officers to do their job. i don't want to get shot by approaching backup who doesn't know the story yet.

hope the female officer's ok.

-tom

Based on the info you have given,two dead n***ers, period. In my jurisdiction, I probably would not be in much trouble if any at all.

I have many real wood walking sticks but if I lived in a real crime prone area and wanted a good walking stick for protection I would get one of Cold Steel's Black Thorn walking sticks. Make sure to watch the video clip after you click on the Black Thorn link.

http://www.coldsteel.com/sticksportal.html

Are you basing your decision on law or racism? It's hard to tell from a post like that.

It is very hard to determine what you would do if faced with the situation just described without being there . I would like to think i would have helped the Lady Officer. I would have had to been there to fully answer this question.

I was surprised (no, not really) that none of you suggested calling 911 and requesting help before blasting away at the bad guys...

i can assure you there were no shortages of 911 calls. My wife has had to review them all week. The shortage was of immediate help while one officer was held by a 6'6" 365lb man and his brother as big as he was busting away on the other ones head with her baton. she was protecting her weapon since the first weapon was taken away. what if he had grabbed the gun instead of the baton. it leaves a lot of what ifs and all sorts of possibilities. I know i could have added more information to this post but the original post would be way too long for my reading. In Arkansas, one can use deadly force if one is or you reasonably believe one is about to commit a felony. Thats too broad for me i guess but i assume i will make the right decision if ever faced with it.

A chair accross the head or back of the shoulders would have probably made him let go, then proceed with arse whoopin if it is still needed. I would only shoot the thug if he comes up with a knife or gun, short of that I fight dirty.

Sorry for the confusion.

1st, if anyone came to the aid of an officer in the situation as described above there is not likely to be much of problem in Montana if the bad guys ended up dead.

2nd, men who would do that to LEO's and it doesn't appear to be a case of self-defense, are not men in my book. In this case, the blacks aren't men they are n***er's. It is offense so be it.

I have a friend who is black, a naturalized citizen from Africa and he is one of the nicest gentleman I know. Our American blacks should take lessons from him on how to behave in civilize society.

You just gave out a whole lot more info than you did in the OP. If the guy was hitting her in the head with a baton I would have drawn and told him to cease if the conditions were such that I could. If they weren't, I'd have drawn and shot him. His bro could be held while the popo recovered and cuffed him. I don't know if Arkansas has citizen's arrests, but I guess I would just trust the cops to do the right thing by somebody who probably saved at least one of their lives. If not, I guess I'd be effed. I've done the right thing before though and gotten effed, so at least it wouldn't be my first rodeo. I answer first and foremost to the Man upstairs and He wouldn't like it if I just let an innocent type get killed or hurt bad.